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14:04:12 <kaz> present+ WoT Security
14:04:25 <kaz> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:04:35 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool
14:05:19 <mahda-noura> ScribeNick: mahda-noura
14:06:07 <mahda-noura> topic: minutes
14:06:49 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:07:06 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-wot-sec-minutes.html Dec-11
14:07:39 <mahda-noura> mm: hoping to find TF lead
14:07:58 <mahda-noura> mm: the table we were completing is a use case activity
14:08:19 <mahda-noura> ...we could pause this meeting in the meantime while we finish the use case
14:08:41 <mahda-noura> ...we can select a date for out next meeting focusing on security
14:08:58 <mahda-noura> ...is there any objection to cancelling 4 security calls?
14:09:06 <mahda-noura> (none)
14:09:20 <mahda-noura> mm: our next security call can focus on work item linking
14:10:35 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf#15_January_2024
14:11:03 <kaz> s/call can/call (Feb 19) can/
14:11:42 <mahda-noura> mm: in our call last time, we had some concerns that this template is not the exact template, and there are 70+ use cases and we won't get to work on all in one meeting
14:11:50 <mahda-noura> ...the idea was to split the task
14:12:20 <McCool_> do have issue https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/243
14:12:46 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:12:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-sec-minutes.html kaz
14:13:10 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:13:20 <mahda-noura> mm: going through this table is not the right thing to do technically
14:13:39 <kaz> meeting: WoT Security
14:13:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-sec-minutes.html kaz
14:13:59 <mahda-noura> mn: I agree that we should look at this table in the use case call
14:14:12 <mahda-noura> mm: clean up the issue tracker
14:14:26 <kaz> i|hoping to find|approved|
14:14:47 <kaz> i|hoping to find|topic: Cancelling calls and need for a new TF lead|
14:15:34 <kaz> i|in our call last|topic: Use Cases and Requirements|
14:15:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-sec-minutes.html kaz
14:16:19 <mahda-noura> subtopic: Discovery
14:16:32 <mahda-noura> mm: nothing new in that since a while
14:19:11 <kaz> i|subtopic: Discovery|topic: Issues|
14:19:13 <kaz> q+
14:19:19 <mahda-noura> subtopic: WoT Security Issue Tracker
14:21:03 <mahda-noura> mm: Issue 209: https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/209
14:22:20 <mahda-noura> ...This issue is a year old now, we have a number of issues, 3 of them are addressed but the rest not. I think this issue has been a bit confused with a bunch of different things in it
14:23:01 <kaz> ack k
14:23:38 <mahda-noura> mm: I think we should split it into smaller issues
14:23:54 <mahda-noura> ...we capture this table somewhere else
14:25:06 <kaz> i|subtopic: WoT Security Issue Tracker|subtopic: Scripting API|
14:25:35 <kaz> i|subtopic: WoT Security Issue Tracker|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Asecurity+sort%3Aupdated-desc wot-scripting-api Issues with "Security" label|
14:25:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-sec-minutes.html kaz
14:28:46 <kaz> q+
14:29:41 <mahda-noura> kaz: are all the discussions and the content from issue number 209 all included in the new issue?
14:29:59 <mahda-noura> mm: no, just one of the comment
14:30:34 <mahda-noura> kaz: how to deal with it?
14:31:27 <mahda-noura> mm: we close the issue, but factor out into other small issuers since a number of them have already been taken care of
14:32:04 <mahda-noura> kaz: maybe we can copy the discussion points from Jan 30 over
14:32:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/209#issuecomment-1408653478 discussion in Security TF call Jan 30
14:32:50 <mahda-noura> mm: My concern is that it's difficult to keep track of what has been dealt with and what not
14:33:09 <mahda-noura> kaz: for this purpose, we can copy over the discussion points
14:33:33 <kaz> s/for this/for that/
14:33:48 <mahda-noura> mm: my concern is that, we got a long list of things to be fixes and not all have been fixed, but we just have lost track of what has been done
14:34:30 <mahda-noura> kaz: maybe we can simply trash everything, but maybe there are important comments
14:34:56 <kaz> s/there are/there several/
14:35:47 <mahda-noura> mm: I think the ones we already have issues for, we don't necessarily need to keep
14:37:25 <mahda-noura> mm: some of the points that have already been addressed are commented under the issue
14:39:49 <kaz> q?
14:39:50 <kaz> ack k
14:40:52 <kaz> q+
14:41:19 <kaz> ack k
14:42:39 <mahda-noura> mm: there is a bunch of stuff in this issue related to signing, key distribution and so on, we could put all of them in one issue
14:44:34 <mahda-noura> ...some leftover issues from issue number 209 are added into https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/234
14:45:15 <mahda-noura> ...issue 209 https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/209 is closed
14:45:45 <mahda-noura> ......PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/pull/233 is merged
14:47:19 <mahda-noura> ...I am wondering, Mahda, we had this cloud stuff issue
14:47:49 <mahda-noura> mn: I worked on this somewhile ago, but the problem is that there are no proper references that can be used as good sources
14:48:28 <mahda-noura> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/206
14:49:26 <kaz> i|I am wondering|subtopic: Issue 206|
14:49:53 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/206||
14:50:15 <kaz> i|I am wondering|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/206 Issue 206 - Add and Update Cloud References|
14:50:49 <mahda-noura> mm: Issue IoT-Cloud Integration assigned to Mahda, not higher priority
14:51:03 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 231
14:51:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/231 Issue 231 - Wot-sec ontology
14:52:15 <kaz> mn: most of the WoT ontologies have similar problems
14:52:27 <mahda-noura> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/231
14:52:40 <kaz> mm: this affects various downstream tasks
14:52:53 <kaz> ... knowledge graphs and HTML rendering, etc.
14:53:12 <kaz> ... other things like rdfs:domain a also missing
14:53:45 <kaz> ... also should make sure there is a comment for every definition so that the documentation is asonable
14:53:56 <kaz> ... in some cases, ay have to define some other classes
14:54:07 <kaz> ... but most are easy
14:54:56 <kaz> ... if we only add data object properties to existing classes, wil be backward compatible
14:55:21 <kaz> ... but other changes may not be
14:55:52 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/231||
14:56:20 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 220
14:56:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/220 Issue 220 - [Discuss] Consider moving Terminology to the beginning
14:56:51 <kaz> mm: let me mark this with "[Discuss]"
14:57:06 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 202
14:57:16 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/202 Issue 202 - Reference terminology section of the architecture spec
14:57:27 <kaz> mm: that issue is old and can be closed
14:57:39 <kaz> ... based on the latest Editor's draft
14:58:01 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-security/ Editor's draft
14:58:06 <kaz> closed
14:58:26 <kaz> topic: AOB
14:58:34 <kaz> mm: let's focus on use cases for a while
14:58:37 <kaz> q+
14:58:50 <kaz> ack k
14:59:22 <kaz> kaz: meanwhile we need to find a new TF lead and think about how to organize the calls
14:59:26 <kaz> mm: yeah
14:59:57 <mahda-noura> mn: will you attend the security TF if you are not the TF lead
15:00:12 <kaz> i/will you/scribenick: mahda-noura/
15:00:15 <mahda-noura> mm: I have to decide which call has a higher priority
15:00:42 <kaz> i/subtopic: Issue 231/scribenick: kaz/
15:01:25 <mahda-noura> mn: Would it make sense to consolidate the security into other TF's
15:01:38 <kaz> s/TF's/TF's?/
15:02:21 <mahda-noura> mm: We could consolidate with other task forces like Architecture
15:02:59 <kaz> (need further discussion anyway)
15:03:06 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:03:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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