IRC log of wot-script on 2024-01-15

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meeting: WoT Scripting API
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Jan_Romann, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#January_15.2C_2024
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present+ Zoltan_Kis
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topic: Logistics
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kaz: maybe you should split the agenda wiki content into several pieces based on the year like the main wiki
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ca: agree
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topic: Minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-wot-script-minutes.html Dec-11
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approved
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topic: PRs
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subtopic: PR 524
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/524 PR 524 - Update text and examples regarding the fetching of TDs
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ca: Jan, could you explain?
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jr: mostly cleaning up
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chair: Cristiano
12:11:29 [kaz]
... we had discussion around "fetch"
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... explain the rationale at an appendix
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ca: let's see the changes
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-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/524/6482a8c...JKRhb:329213a.html diff rendering
12:13:32 [kaz]
jr: wording change
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i/wording/kaz: "fetching" converted to "requesting"
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ca: (shows Appendiex A.2)
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-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/524/6482a8c...JKRhb:329213a.html#requesting-and-validating-a-td A.2 Requesting and validating a TD
12:14:49 [kaz]
q+
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ack k
12:16:27 [kaz]
kaz: As I mentioned the other day, we should have an Editor's Note describing why we added these changes around section 5.1 (on "Fetching" => "Requesting")
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ca: let's merge this PR 524 itself, and then create an issue
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12:18:29 [kaz]
kaz: that's fine
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/530 Issue 530 - Improve section 5
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subtopic: PR 489
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/489 PR 489 - Better types for Scripting API
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ca: would like to skip this because need some more updates
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topic: Issues
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subtopic: Issue 529
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/529 Issue 529 - Clean-up Scripting API wiki page
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ca: proposal from Daniel
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... Kaz also mentioned similar ideas at the beginning of this call
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dp: like the Marketing wiki
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... the Scripting wiki should have the information only about this year
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q+
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q+
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ack dape
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ack k
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kaz: would suggest we simply one page for one year and put old content to that yearly page
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dp: just copy over the old content
12:24:27 [kaz]
... can do that later offline
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resolution: Scripting TF also will put older content to yearly subpages like 2023, 2022, 2021, ...
12:25:43 [kaz]
ca: after Daniel has done that, let's close Issue 529
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subtopic: Issue 528
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/528 Issue 528 - Add support for URI variables to exploreDirectory method
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ca: use case description to be written
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q+
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... we can work on the use case description
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q?
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q+
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jr: wanted to ask if the "Use Case" to be included in the Use Cases document on the wot-usecases repo
12:28:15 [dape]
q+
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ack j
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ack k
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kaz: think we as the whole group should start with some Use Case description within the Use Cases document
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... the extract requirements from the use cases
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ca: we can make contribution but maybe lower priority
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kaz: that kind of policy should be discussed during the use cases call and partly the main call too
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dp: agree we should start with the use case description
12:32:18 [kaz]
... but probably we need to think about use cases handled by the use cases document and another use cases handled by spec TFs
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q?
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ack d
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ca: yeah
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... but don't want to talk about the procedure now
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q+
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... we can propose our ideas to the Use Cases TF
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kaz: right
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... so we need to clarify the procedure as the whole WG/IG
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ack k
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jr: (describes the proposal a bit more)
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... exposed to the user
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... maybe some access limitation would make sense
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zk: URI Variables should be optional
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... URI Variables are standardized by HTTPS. right?
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... we should provide some standardized range of the variables too
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ca: good point
12:38:07 [kaz]
zakim, who is here?
12:38:07 [Zakim]
Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Jan_Romann, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis
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On IRC I see dape, zkis, cris__, JKRhb, RRSAgent, Zakim, Mizushima, kaz
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:38:32 [kaz]
... want to add a label to this issue
12:39:16 [JKRhb]
q+
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... (adds "use case" label)
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jr: would like to work on some use case description then
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ca: yeah
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... but that depends on the Use Cases TF's activity
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q+
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ack j
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kaz: the Use Cases TF will restart the day after tomorrow on Wednesday
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subtopic: Select important issues
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues remaining issues
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ca: would like to skim all the remaining issues again
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: we should clarify some criteria like a need for actual system implementations and deployment
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... from that viewpoint, issue 200 would be "important"
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ca: yeah
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kaz: we should record that criteria first before diving into concrete issues
12:47:24 [JKRhb]
+1
12:47:27 [kaz]
... resolution on the minutes would be fine
12:50:29 [cris__]
proposal: Scripting TF would like make Issues important ones when they have need for actual system implementation
12:50:57 [cris__]
resolution: Scripting TF would like make Issues important ones when they have need for actual system implementation
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
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subtopic: Issue 200
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/200 Issue 200 - Error Handling
12:52:12 [kaz]
ca: from the viewpoint of the need for implementations, this is important
12:52:15 [kaz]
kaz: agree
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ca: would add a label for "use case"
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... and "priority: high"
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subtopic: Issue 352
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/352 Issue 352 - Next charter topics
12:55:06 [kaz]
ca: would propose to close this issue because this was a generic need and we're already getting new concrete issues
12:55:07 [kaz]
dp: ok
12:56:13 [kaz]
ca: will close this when we've confirmed it's redundant and obsolete
12:56:20 [kaz]
subtopic: Issue 193
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/193 Issue 193 - Should writeProperty() return a value
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ca: a long-standing issue
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... discussion during the TD call in 2021
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... need use case and add "use case" label
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: what about the next steps?
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ca: visiting issues with "for next iteration" label first
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... and then the other remaining issues
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kaz: ok
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[adjourned]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
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