IRC log of wot-discovery on 2024-01-15
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-irc
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura
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- present+ Jan_Romann
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023
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- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- scribenick: JKRhb
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- topic: Minutes Review
- 13:07:14 [JKRhb]
- mm: (Goes over the minutes of last time)
- 13:07:19 [kaz]
- s|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#15_January_2024|
- 13:07:20 [JKRhb]
- ... did not see anything critical
- 13:07:34 [kaz]
- i|Goes|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-wot-discovery-minutes.html Dec-11|
- 13:08:01 [JKRhb]
- ... (summarizes the last meeting)
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- ... any objections to publishing?
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- ... hearing no objections, minutes are approved
- 13:08:30 [JKRhb]
- topic: Logistics
- 13:08:49 [JKRhb]
- mm: I'd like to archive all the old agendas in the Wiki, as they are taking up space
- 13:09:05 [JKRhb]
- ... hearing no objections, will edit the Wiki and link them from the main page
- 13:09:12 [JKRhb]
- subtopic: Meeting Schedule
- 13:09:29 [JKRhb]
- mm: I don't have the time to be the TF lead of four taskforces
- 13:09:52 [JKRhb]
- ... want to step down as TF lead of discovery and security
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- ... can ask the group if someone wants to take over the TF lead of one of them
- 13:10:42 [JKRhb]
- ... if no one volunteers, I can continue as TF lead of either discovery or security
- 13:10:54 [JKRhb]
- ... I also want to focus more on use cases in the future
- 13:11:31 [JKRhb]
- ... I kind of want to pause our meetings until the end of January, to make space for the work on use cases
- 13:11:33 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:12:07 [JKRhb]
- kaz: We can pause the work on security and discovery for a while based on the current state of the TFs
- 13:12:20 [kaz]
- q-
- 13:12:22 [JKRhb]
- ... but we should think about who should take the lead of these two TFs
- 13:12:39 [JKRhb]
- mm: Yeah, we will need to go through process of electing new leads
- 13:12:45 [JKRhb]
- ... need to define the policy here
- 13:13:13 [JKRhb]
- ... should not pause the meetings undefinitely but define a concrete date when we are going to resume
- 13:13:25 [JKRhb]
- ... we could, for example, resume on February 19
- 13:13:34 [JKRhb]
- ... that would give us a month to work on use cases
- 13:13:39 [JKRhb]
- ... does that make sense?
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- kaz: Yeah
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- mm: Let me add that to the agenda to remind myself
- 13:14:04 [JKRhb]
- ... (edits the agenda in the wiki)
- 13:14:21 [JKRhb]
- topic: Resources
- 13:14:29 [JKRhb]
- subtopic: HTML for ontology
- 13:14:36 [JKRhb]
- mm: There is a PR
- 13:14:46 [McCool]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/535
- 13:15:03 [JKRhb]
- ... this is related to issue 533
- 13:15:04 [McCool]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533
- 13:15:20 [JKRhb]
- ... there are two things
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- ... setting up the scripts and rendering the ontology and then pushing it to wot-resources
- 13:16:46 [kaz]
- jr: (describes the PR 535)
- 13:18:07 [kaz]
- ... actual logic is written in "renderOntology.js"
- 13:18:55 [kaz]
- ... something is missing at the moment
- 13:19:06 [kaz]
- i/desc/scribenick: kaz/
- 13:21:24 [kaz]
- ... asking Farshid and @@@ for review but have not got response yet
- 13:21:36 [kaz]
- mm: where the DID description come from?
- 13:21:43 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:21:58 [kaz]
- jr: you can look into the diff
- 13:22:31 [kaz]
- mm: so you're modifying the TTL file (discovery-ontology.ttl)
- 13:22:49 [kaz]
- ... do we update it on site? or add any versions?
- 13:23:23 [kaz]
- ... these are almost annotations
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- jr: yes
- 13:23:52 [kaz]
- mm: defined the prefix
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- jr: yes
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- mm: default prefix to be described as ":"
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- jr: rith
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- s/rith/right/
- 13:24:56 [kaz]
- mm: modifying the content in the root directory
- 13:25:11 [kaz]
- ... not "publication"
- 13:25:57 [kaz]
- ... we need to update the resources until the they're completely fixed
- 13:26:08 [kaz]
- ... shouldn't break any things
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- ... doesn't change any existing names
- 13:26:53 [kaz]
- ... good opportunity for us all as the WG to think about how to manage the changes
- 13:27:10 [kaz]
- ... guess we could do this right now
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- ... because this is updating the resources in-place
- 13:27:43 [kaz]
- ... but one question is how to identify the versions
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- q+
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- jr: should go to the TTL file?
- 13:28:16 [kaz]
- mm: we have the status of the document
- 13:29:09 [kaz]
- ... where did the status information come from?
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- jr: should the information go to the status section?
- 13:31:00 [kaz]
- ... or some dedicated appendix section?
- 13:31:50 [kaz]
- ... maybe link to the change log description at appendix
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- mm: suggestion is
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- ... Version 1.0.1
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- ... See [[ChangeLog]]
- 13:35:26 [kaz]
- ... then description at the Change Log section within appendix
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- i/then/... within the Status section/
- 13:38:35 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:39:59 [kaz]
- s/@@@/Andrea/
- 13:40:45 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:41:37 [kaz]
- kaz: TD TF is also discussing how to manage the changes using the version numbers
- 13:41:55 [kaz]
- ... so should have joint discussion about version management with the TD TF too
- 13:42:23 [kaz]
- ... McCool, do you think you can join the TD call at some point, Wed or Thu?
- 13:42:32 [kaz]
- mm: have conflicts this week
- 13:42:39 [kaz]
- ... maybe next week
- 13:42:49 [kaz]
- ... meanwhile let's not merge this PR itself
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- ack k
- 13:43:10 [kaz]
- s/Andrea/Andrea and Mahda/
- 13:43:24 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 13:44:48 [kaz]
- mm: how to proceed?
- 13:45:04 [kaz]
- ... is there an Issue on the wot-thing-description repo already?
- 13:45:28 [kaz]
- kaz: you can create an issue on wot-discovery side mentioning Ege's name :)
- 13:45:42 [kaz]
- mm: seems there is an issue on wot repo
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- s/repo/repo about spec versions/
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1082 wot Issue 1082 - Versioning Discussion
- 13:47:18 [JKRhb]
- scribenick: JKRhb
- 13:47:28 [kaz]
- i/scribe/mm: (creates another issue around ontology versions)/
- 13:47:37 [kaz]
- rrsagetn, draft minutes
- 13:49:12 [JKRhb]
- mm: I think we need a common way to manage resources
- 13:49:22 [JKRhb]
- ... this is just a description, not a natural policy
- 13:49:35 [JKRhb]
- ... but we can create one and then discuss it, linking back to this issue
- 13:49:42 [JKRhb]
- ... does that make sense?
- 13:49:48 [JKRhb]
- kaz: Yeah, is a good starting point
- 13:50:02 [JKRhb]
- mm: The discovery thing can serve as a good example
- 13:50:57 [JKRhb]
- ... can you continue working on the PR, Jan?
- 13:51:14 [JKRhb]
- ... we can merge now and then fix the remaining issues later
- 13:51:23 [JKRhb]
- jr: Yeah, applied some minor fixes
- 13:51:35 [JKRhb]
- mm: We can merge now, then apply additional fixes to .ttl file
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- ... any objections to merging?
- 13:51:54 [JKRhb]
- ... no objections, merging, then we can open an issue for the remaining issues
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- PR is merged
- 13:52:36 [JKRhb]
- mm: (adjusts issue 533, adding another checkbox for updating the remaining TODO comments)
- 13:53:07 [JKRhb]
- ... I think what that means is that we have the first one checked
- 13:53:13 [JKRhb]
- ... (ticks the checkbox)
- 13:53:24 [kaz]
- i|adjust|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533 Issue 533 - Update HTML for Discovery ontology|
- 13:53:25 [JKRhb]
- ... third one is partially done
- 13:53:29 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 13:54:07 [JKRhb]
- ... (adds another ticked checkbox regarding the generation of an interim HTML output with TODOs)
- 13:54:40 [JKRhb]
- ... after this interim step, we can make another PR in the discovery repo and then make a another PR in the wot-resources repository
- 13:55:00 [JKRhb]
- topic: DID Registry
- 13:55:14 [JKRhb]
- mm: Haven't looked into this PR in a while
- 13:55:22 [JKRhb]
- ... so I asked for review
- 13:55:35 [JKRhb]
- ... has been reviewed, they did some language tweaks
- 13:55:59 [kaz]
- i|Haven't|-> https://github.com/w3c/did-spec-registries/pull/486 did-spec-registries PR 486 - Add WotThing and WotDirectory service types|
- 13:56:44 [JKRhb]
- ... (reads through one suggestion)
- 13:57:04 [JKRhb]
- ... this suggestion regarding "either" does not make sense to me
- 13:57:51 [JKRhb]
- ... I will commit these changes and then make some minor tweaks (e.g., adding a comma) to get us past the review
- 13:58:28 [JKRhb]
- ... (looks at the resulting PR diff, adds another suggestion regarding the comma)
- 13:58:34 [JKRhb]
- ... (commits it)
- 13:59:17 [JKRhb]
- ... so let's resolve the conversation
- 13:59:46 [JKRhb]
- ... (adds a comment saying the suggested changes have been accepted with a minor tweak for clarity)
- 14:00:22 [JKRhb]
- ... (adds another comment asking for a final review)
- 14:00:47 [JKRhb]
- .... let's leave it for now and I will at it again in a while
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- topic: Use Case
- 14:01:08 [mahda-noura]
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- s/Case/Case Call/
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- mm: Anything else? When is the use case call again
- 14:01:45 [JKRhb]
- kaz: On Wednesday before the main call
- 14:02:08 [JKRhb]
- mm: Let's continue the discussion there
- 14:02:13 [JKRhb]
- [adjourned]
- 14:02:30 [kaz]
- s/call/call. I'll allocate a Zoom, and then distribute it to the groups./
- 14:02:41 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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- chair: McCool
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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