IRC log of wot-discovery on 2024-01-15

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura
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present+ Jan_Romann
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:06:47 [JKRhb]
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scribenick: JKRhb
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topic: Minutes Review
13:07:14 [JKRhb]
mm: (Goes over the minutes of last time)
13:07:19 [kaz]
s|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#15_January_2024|
13:07:20 [JKRhb]
... did not see anything critical
13:07:34 [kaz]
i|Goes|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-wot-discovery-minutes.html Dec-11|
13:08:01 [JKRhb]
... (summarizes the last meeting)
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... any objections to publishing?
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... hearing no objections, minutes are approved
13:08:30 [JKRhb]
topic: Logistics
13:08:49 [JKRhb]
mm: I'd like to archive all the old agendas in the Wiki, as they are taking up space
13:09:05 [JKRhb]
... hearing no objections, will edit the Wiki and link them from the main page
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subtopic: Meeting Schedule
13:09:29 [JKRhb]
mm: I don't have the time to be the TF lead of four taskforces
13:09:52 [JKRhb]
... want to step down as TF lead of discovery and security
13:10:14 [JKRhb]
... can ask the group if someone wants to take over the TF lead of one of them
13:10:42 [JKRhb]
... if no one volunteers, I can continue as TF lead of either discovery or security
13:10:54 [JKRhb]
... I also want to focus more on use cases in the future
13:11:31 [JKRhb]
... I kind of want to pause our meetings until the end of January, to make space for the work on use cases
13:11:33 [kaz]
q+
13:12:07 [JKRhb]
kaz: We can pause the work on security and discovery for a while based on the current state of the TFs
13:12:20 [kaz]
q-
13:12:22 [JKRhb]
... but we should think about who should take the lead of these two TFs
13:12:39 [JKRhb]
mm: Yeah, we will need to go through process of electing new leads
13:12:45 [JKRhb]
... need to define the policy here
13:13:13 [JKRhb]
... should not pause the meetings undefinitely but define a concrete date when we are going to resume
13:13:25 [JKRhb]
... we could, for example, resume on February 19
13:13:34 [JKRhb]
... that would give us a month to work on use cases
13:13:39 [JKRhb]
... does that make sense?
13:13:44 [JKRhb]
kaz: Yeah
13:13:55 [JKRhb]
mm: Let me add that to the agenda to remind myself
13:14:04 [JKRhb]
... (edits the agenda in the wiki)
13:14:21 [JKRhb]
topic: Resources
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subtopic: HTML for ontology
13:14:36 [JKRhb]
mm: There is a PR
13:14:46 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/535
13:15:03 [JKRhb]
... this is related to issue 533
13:15:04 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533
13:15:20 [JKRhb]
... there are two things
13:15:53 [JKRhb]
... setting up the scripts and rendering the ontology and then pushing it to wot-resources
13:16:46 [kaz]
jr: (describes the PR 535)
13:18:07 [kaz]
... actual logic is written in "renderOntology.js"
13:18:55 [kaz]
... something is missing at the moment
13:19:06 [kaz]
i/desc/scribenick: kaz/
13:21:24 [kaz]
... asking Farshid and @@@ for review but have not got response yet
13:21:36 [kaz]
mm: where the DID description come from?
13:21:43 [kaz]
q+
13:21:58 [kaz]
jr: you can look into the diff
13:22:31 [kaz]
mm: so you're modifying the TTL file (discovery-ontology.ttl)
13:22:49 [kaz]
... do we update it on site? or add any versions?
13:23:23 [kaz]
... these are almost annotations
13:23:25 [kaz]
jr: yes
13:23:52 [kaz]
mm: defined the prefix
13:23:54 [kaz]
jr: yes
13:24:26 [kaz]
mm: default prefix to be described as ":"
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jr: rith
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s/rith/right/
13:24:56 [kaz]
mm: modifying the content in the root directory
13:25:11 [kaz]
... not "publication"
13:25:57 [kaz]
... we need to update the resources until the they're completely fixed
13:26:08 [kaz]
... shouldn't break any things
13:26:21 [kaz]
... doesn't change any existing names
13:26:53 [kaz]
... good opportunity for us all as the WG to think about how to manage the changes
13:27:10 [kaz]
... guess we could do this right now
13:27:24 [kaz]
... because this is updating the resources in-place
13:27:43 [kaz]
... but one question is how to identify the versions
13:27:45 [kaz]
q+
13:27:58 [kaz]
jr: should go to the TTL file?
13:28:16 [kaz]
mm: we have the status of the document
13:29:09 [kaz]
... where did the status information come from?
13:30:53 [kaz]
jr: should the information go to the status section?
13:31:00 [kaz]
... or some dedicated appendix section?
13:31:50 [kaz]
... maybe link to the change log description at appendix
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mm: suggestion is
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... Version 1.0.1
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... See [[ChangeLog]]
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... then description at the Change Log section within appendix
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i/then/... within the Status section/
13:38:35 [kaz]
q?
13:39:59 [kaz]
s/@@@/Andrea/
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ack k
13:41:37 [kaz]
kaz: TD TF is also discussing how to manage the changes using the version numbers
13:41:55 [kaz]
... so should have joint discussion about version management with the TD TF too
13:42:23 [kaz]
... McCool, do you think you can join the TD call at some point, Wed or Thu?
13:42:32 [kaz]
mm: have conflicts this week
13:42:39 [kaz]
... maybe next week
13:42:49 [kaz]
... meanwhile let's not merge this PR itself
13:42:53 [kaz]
ack k
13:43:10 [kaz]
s/Andrea/Andrea and Mahda/
13:43:24 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
13:43:28 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:29 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
13:44:48 [kaz]
mm: how to proceed?
13:45:04 [kaz]
... is there an Issue on the wot-thing-description repo already?
13:45:28 [kaz]
kaz: you can create an issue on wot-discovery side mentioning Ege's name :)
13:45:42 [kaz]
mm: seems there is an issue on wot repo
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s/repo/repo about spec versions/
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1082 wot Issue 1082 - Versioning Discussion
13:47:18 [JKRhb]
scribenick: JKRhb
13:47:28 [kaz]
i/scribe/mm: (creates another issue around ontology versions)/
13:47:37 [kaz]
rrsagetn, draft minutes
13:49:12 [JKRhb]
mm: I think we need a common way to manage resources
13:49:22 [JKRhb]
... this is just a description, not a natural policy
13:49:35 [JKRhb]
... but we can create one and then discuss it, linking back to this issue
13:49:42 [JKRhb]
... does that make sense?
13:49:48 [JKRhb]
kaz: Yeah, is a good starting point
13:50:02 [JKRhb]
mm: The discovery thing can serve as a good example
13:50:57 [JKRhb]
... can you continue working on the PR, Jan?
13:51:14 [JKRhb]
... we can merge now and then fix the remaining issues later
13:51:23 [JKRhb]
jr: Yeah, applied some minor fixes
13:51:35 [JKRhb]
mm: We can merge now, then apply additional fixes to .ttl file
13:51:39 [JKRhb]
... any objections to merging?
13:51:54 [JKRhb]
... no objections, merging, then we can open an issue for the remaining issues
13:52:04 [JKRhb]
PR is merged
13:52:36 [JKRhb]
mm: (adjusts issue 533, adding another checkbox for updating the remaining TODO comments)
13:53:07 [JKRhb]
... I think what that means is that we have the first one checked
13:53:13 [JKRhb]
... (ticks the checkbox)
13:53:24 [kaz]
i|adjust|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533 Issue 533 - Update HTML for Discovery ontology|
13:53:25 [JKRhb]
... third one is partially done
13:53:29 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:31 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
13:54:07 [JKRhb]
... (adds another ticked checkbox regarding the generation of an interim HTML output with TODOs)
13:54:40 [JKRhb]
... after this interim step, we can make another PR in the discovery repo and then make a another PR in the wot-resources repository
13:55:00 [JKRhb]
topic: DID Registry
13:55:14 [JKRhb]
mm: Haven't looked into this PR in a while
13:55:22 [JKRhb]
... so I asked for review
13:55:35 [JKRhb]
... has been reviewed, they did some language tweaks
13:55:59 [kaz]
i|Haven't|-> https://github.com/w3c/did-spec-registries/pull/486 did-spec-registries PR 486 - Add WotThing and WotDirectory service types|
13:56:44 [JKRhb]
... (reads through one suggestion)
13:57:04 [JKRhb]
... this suggestion regarding "either" does not make sense to me
13:57:51 [JKRhb]
... I will commit these changes and then make some minor tweaks (e.g., adding a comma) to get us past the review
13:58:28 [JKRhb]
... (looks at the resulting PR diff, adds another suggestion regarding the comma)
13:58:34 [JKRhb]
... (commits it)
13:59:17 [JKRhb]
... so let's resolve the conversation
13:59:46 [JKRhb]
... (adds a comment saying the suggested changes have been accepted with a minor tweak for clarity)
14:00:22 [JKRhb]
... (adds another comment asking for a final review)
14:00:47 [JKRhb]
.... let's leave it for now and I will at it again in a while
14:01:03 [JKRhb]
topic: Use Case
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s/Case/Case Call/
14:01:29 [JKRhb]
mm: Anything else? When is the use case call again
14:01:45 [JKRhb]
kaz: On Wednesday before the main call
14:02:08 [JKRhb]
mm: Let's continue the discussion there
14:02:13 [JKRhb]
[adjourned]
14:02:30 [kaz]
s/call/call. I'll allocate a Zoom, and then distribute it to the groups./
14:02:41 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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chair: McCool
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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