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13:02:25 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura
13:03:30 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
13:03:48 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023
13:06:43 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:06:54 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
13:07:00 <JKRhb> topic: Minutes Review
13:07:14 <JKRhb> mm: (Goes over the minutes of last time)
13:07:19 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#11_December_2023|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#15_January_2024|
13:07:20 <JKRhb> ... did not see anything critical
13:07:34 <kaz> i|Goes|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-wot-discovery-minutes.html Dec-11|
13:08:01 <JKRhb> ... (summarizes the last meeting)
13:08:09 <JKRhb> ... any objections to publishing?
13:08:19 <JKRhb> ... hearing no objections, minutes are approved
13:08:30 <JKRhb> topic: Logistics
13:08:49 <JKRhb> mm: I'd like to archive all the old agendas in the Wiki, as they are taking up space
13:09:05 <JKRhb> ... hearing no objections, will edit the Wiki and link them from the main page
13:09:12 <JKRhb> subtopic: Meeting Schedule
13:09:29 <JKRhb> mm: I don't have the time to be the TF lead of four taskforces
13:09:52 <JKRhb> ... want to step down as TF lead of discovery and security
13:10:14 <JKRhb> ... can ask the group if someone wants to take over the TF lead of one of them
13:10:42 <JKRhb> ... if no one volunteers, I can continue as TF lead of either discovery or security
13:10:54 <JKRhb> ... I also want to focus more on use cases in the future
13:11:31 <JKRhb> ... I kind of want to pause our meetings until the end of January, to make space for the work on use cases
13:11:33 <kaz> q+
13:12:07 <JKRhb> kaz: We can pause the work on security and discovery for a while based on the current state of the TFs
13:12:20 <kaz> q-
13:12:22 <JKRhb> ... but we should think about who should take the lead of these two TFs
13:12:39 <JKRhb> mm: Yeah, we will need to go through process of electing new leads
13:12:45 <JKRhb> ... need to define the policy here
13:13:13 <JKRhb> ... should not pause the meetings undefinitely but define a concrete date when we are going to resume
13:13:25 <JKRhb> ... we could, for example, resume on February 19
13:13:34 <JKRhb> ... that would give us a month to work on use cases
13:13:39 <JKRhb> ... does that make sense?
13:13:44 <JKRhb> kaz: Yeah
13:13:55 <JKRhb> mm: Let me add that to the agenda to remind myself
13:14:04 <JKRhb> ... (edits the agenda in the wiki)
13:14:21 <JKRhb> topic: Resources
13:14:29 <JKRhb> subtopic: HTML for ontology
13:14:36 <JKRhb> mm: There is a PR
13:14:46 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/535
13:15:03 <JKRhb> ... this is related to issue 533
13:15:04 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533
13:15:20 <JKRhb> ... there are two things
13:15:53 <JKRhb> ... setting up the scripts and rendering the ontology and then pushing it to wot-resources
13:16:46 <kaz> jr: (describes the PR 535)
13:18:07 <kaz> ... actual logic is written in "renderOntology.js"
13:18:55 <kaz> ... something is missing at the moment
13:19:06 <kaz> i/desc/scribenick: kaz/
13:21:24 <kaz> ... asking Farshid and @@@ for review but have not got response yet
13:21:36 <kaz> mm: where the DID description come from?
13:21:43 <kaz> q+
13:21:58 <kaz> jr: you can look into the diff
13:22:31 <kaz> mm: so you're modifying the TTL file (discovery-ontology.ttl)
13:22:49 <kaz> ... do we update it on site? or add any versions?
13:23:23 <kaz> ... these are almost annotations
13:23:25 <kaz> jr: yes
13:23:52 <kaz> mm: defined the prefix
13:23:54 <kaz> jr: yes
13:24:26 <kaz> mm: default prefix to be described as ":"
13:24:30 <kaz> jr: rith
13:24:36 <kaz> s/rith/right/
13:24:56 <kaz> mm: modifying the content in the root directory
13:25:11 <kaz> ... not "publication"
13:25:57 <kaz> ... we need to update the resources until the they're completely fixed
13:26:08 <kaz> ... shouldn't break any things
13:26:21 <kaz> ... doesn't change any existing names
13:26:53 <kaz> ... good opportunity for us all as the WG to think about how to manage the changes
13:27:10 <kaz> ... guess we could do this right now
13:27:24 <kaz> ... because this is updating the resources in-place
13:27:43 <kaz> ... but one question is how to identify the versions
13:27:45 <kaz> q+
13:27:58 <kaz> jr: should go to the TTL file?
13:28:16 <kaz> mm: we have the status of the document
13:29:09 <kaz> ... where did the status information come from?
13:30:53 <kaz> jr: should the information go to the status section?
13:31:00 <kaz> ... or some dedicated appendix section?
13:31:50 <kaz> ... maybe link to the change log description at appendix
13:32:13 <kaz> mm: suggestion is
13:32:25 <kaz> ... Version 1.0.1
13:32:51 <kaz> ... See [[ChangeLog]]
13:35:26 <kaz> ... then description at the Change Log section within appendix
13:35:48 <kaz> i/then/... within the Status section/
13:38:35 <kaz> q?
13:39:59 <kaz> s/@@@/Andrea/
13:40:45 <kaz> ack k
13:41:37 <kaz> kaz: TD TF is also discussing how to manage the changes using the version numbers
13:41:55 <kaz> ... so should have joint discussion about version management with the TD TF too
13:42:23 <kaz> ... McCool, do you think you can join the TD call at some point, Wed or Thu?
13:42:32 <kaz> mm: have conflicts this week
13:42:39 <kaz> ... maybe next week
13:42:49 <kaz> ... meanwhile let's not merge this PR itself
13:42:53 <kaz> ack k
13:43:10 <kaz> s/Andrea/Andrea and Mahda/
13:43:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:43:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
13:44:48 <kaz> mm: how to proceed?
13:45:04 <kaz> ... is there an Issue on the wot-thing-description repo already?
13:45:28 <kaz> kaz: you can create an issue on wot-discovery side mentioning Ege's name :)
13:45:42 <kaz> mm: seems there is an issue on wot repo
13:46:42 <kaz> s/repo/repo about spec versions/
13:47:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1082 wot Issue 1082 - Versioning Discussion
13:47:18 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
13:47:28 <kaz> i/scribe/mm: (creates another issue around ontology versions)/
13:47:37 <kaz> rrsagetn, draft minutes
13:49:12 <JKRhb> mm: I think we need a common way to manage resources
13:49:22 <JKRhb> ... this is just a description, not a natural policy
13:49:35 <JKRhb> ... but we can create one and then discuss it, linking back to this issue
13:49:42 <JKRhb> ... does that make sense?
13:49:48 <JKRhb> kaz: Yeah, is a good starting point
13:50:02 <JKRhb> mm: The discovery thing can serve as a good example
13:50:57 <JKRhb> ... can you continue working on the PR, Jan?
13:51:14 <JKRhb> ... we can merge now and then fix the remaining issues later
13:51:23 <JKRhb> jr: Yeah, applied some minor fixes
13:51:35 <JKRhb> mm: We can merge now, then apply additional fixes to .ttl file
13:51:39 <JKRhb> ... any objections to merging?
13:51:54 <JKRhb> ... no objections, merging, then we can open an issue for the remaining issues
13:52:04 <JKRhb> PR is merged
13:52:36 <JKRhb> mm: (adjusts issue 533, adding another checkbox for updating the remaining TODO comments)
13:53:07 <JKRhb> ... I think what that means is that we have the first one checked
13:53:13 <JKRhb> ... (ticks the checkbox)
13:53:24 <kaz> i|adjust|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/533 Issue 533 - Update HTML for Discovery ontology|
13:53:25 <JKRhb> ... third one is partially done
13:53:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
13:54:07 <JKRhb> ... (adds another ticked checkbox regarding the generation of an interim HTML output with TODOs)
13:54:40 <JKRhb> ... after this interim step, we can make another PR in the discovery repo and then make a another PR in the wot-resources repository
13:55:00 <JKRhb> topic: DID Registry
13:55:14 <JKRhb> mm: Haven't looked into this PR in a while
13:55:22 <JKRhb> ... so I asked for review
13:55:35 <JKRhb> ... has been reviewed, they did some language tweaks
13:55:59 <kaz> i|Haven't|-> https://github.com/w3c/did-spec-registries/pull/486 did-spec-registries PR 486 - Add WotThing and WotDirectory service types|
13:56:44 <JKRhb> ... (reads through one suggestion)
13:57:04 <JKRhb> ... this suggestion regarding "either" does not make sense to me
13:57:51 <JKRhb> ... I will commit these changes and then make some minor tweaks (e.g., adding a comma) to get us past the review
13:58:28 <JKRhb> ... (looks at the resulting PR diff, adds another suggestion regarding the comma)
13:58:34 <JKRhb> ... (commits it)
13:59:17 <JKRhb> ... so let's resolve the conversation
13:59:46 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment saying the suggested changes have been accepted with a minor tweak for clarity)
14:00:22 <JKRhb> ... (adds another comment asking for a final review)
14:00:47 <JKRhb> .... let's leave it for now and I will at it again in a while
14:01:03 <JKRhb> topic: Use Case
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14:01:13 <JKRhb> s/Case/Case Call/
14:01:29 <JKRhb> mm: Anything else? When is the use case call again
14:01:45 <JKRhb> kaz: On Wednesday before the main call
14:02:08 <JKRhb> mm: Let's continue the discussion there
14:02:13 <JKRhb> [adjourned]
14:02:30 <kaz> s/call/call. I'll allocate a Zoom, and then distribute it to the groups./
14:02:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:13:23 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:13:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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