RDF-star Working Group Weekly Meeting

<niklasl> https://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html

<ktk> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/21-rdf-star-minutes.html

Approval of minutes from the last two meetings:

<ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2023-12-21

<pfps> 21 dec minutes look fine

<niklasl> +1

<ktk> +1

<gtw> +1

<pfps> +1

<gkellogg> +1

<tl> +1

<TallTed> +1

<AndyS> +1

<pchampin> +1

<fsasaki> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2023-12-21

<ktk> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/04-rdf-star-minutes.html

<pfps> It would be useful to have the topic for last week's meeting in the minutes

<ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2024-01-04

<gkellogg> +1

<niklasl> +1

<gtw> +1

<tl> +1

<AndyS> +1

<pchampin> +0

<ktk> +1

<TallTed> +1

<olaf> +1

<pfps> something like

<pfps> Discussion of Andy's updated post https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Jan/0000.html

<AZ> +1

<pfps> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2024-01-04

Proposal for next week's discussion

<pfps> is there a pointer to "andy's proposal"

<niklasl> I'm not sure if https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals is Andy's or the subgroups? We have some variants?

<AndyS> It's not "Andy's" proposal - it was an attempt to record WG dicussion back to early December.

niklasl: terminology has to be set

niklasl: hoping people aren't overwhelmed by the mailing list

AndyS: no prepared to go on being editor on document

<tl> i posted a very minimal but extensible proposal https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Jan/0062.html

<niklasl> 16:00 CET

niklasl: terminology and uses cases not agreed on yet

<TallTed> adding a link to the calendar item, pointing to "the strawman proposal" to be discussed would be helpful

<gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals

niklasl: Andy has clarified many things and I think we are converging

<pfps> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals has quite a number of asides. I think it would be better to have a cleaner document for the discussion.

pfps: nice to have a clean document that we dont have extraneous stuff in

Adrian: tomorrows discussion will determine topic for next weeks meeting

AndyS: disagrees that we are converging

<niklasl> s/and we are converging/and I think that we are converging/

gkellogg: feels that we are not converging on a concesus view

gkellogg: doesnt know what its going to take to get everyone energy to go in the same direction

tl: the different proposals going around catching different aspects

<niklasl> +1 for the annotation syntax, conditioned on that it is about an interpretation of a triple in a graph

adrian: need stable place to see where we have agreement and not

Adrian: hard to track discussion on mailing list

niklasl: wiki isnt a place for the discussions

Adrian: try splitting wiki pages up

niklasl: will create document on github for terminology

<gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/tree/main/docs

tl: the issue is so complex difficult to follow all proposals

Adrian: feels pull requests can be done and be easier to follow than distributed threads

tl: feels we are at point where mailing lists supere confusing

niklasl: hopes we just dont have a folder with a document for each persons proposal

niklasl: terminology should be shared accross

Adrian: feels forked based github scenario would help

Review of open actions, available at

<ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3

Review of pull requests, available at

<ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-concepts#74

<gkellogg> w3c/rdf-concepts#74

<ktk> w3c/rdf-concepts#74

olaf: would like opinions of other editors on w3c/sparql-query#134

Issue Triage, available at

<ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5

<gkellogg> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6?pane=issue&itemId=46800440

gkellogg: feels should spend time on "needs discussion"

TallTed: put appropriate labels on things without label. Multiple open issues

Adrian: people add needs discussion tag for things people need to be discussed in meetings