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16:53:55 <ktk> meeting: RDF-star Working Group Weekly Meeting
16:54:01 <ktk> Regrets: Ora
16:54:19 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240111T120000/
16:54:19 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:54:19 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two metings: [1]
16:54:19 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion [2]
16:54:19 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at [3]
16:54:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at [4]
16:54:22 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at [5]
16:54:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:54:47 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:54:52 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
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16:56:45 <ktk> Chair: ktk
16:56:54 <ktk> present+
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17:01:13 <niklasl> present+
17:01:15 <fsasaki> present+
17:01:20 <eBremer> present+
17:01:37 <pfps> present+
17:01:42 <Tpt> present+
17:01:58 <niklasl> https://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
17:02:01 <AndyS> present+
17:02:21 <TallTed> present+
17:02:23 <pchampin> scribe: eBremer
17:04:05 <tl> present+
17:04:07 <ktk> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/21-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:22 <TallTed> Zakim, open item 1
17:04:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two metings: -- taken up [from 1 via agendabot]
17:04:50 <TallTed> s/metings/meetings/
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17:05:00 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2023-12-21
17:05:02 <pfps> 21 dec minutes look fine
17:05:09 <AZ> present+
17:05:12 <niklasl> +1
17:05:12 <ktk> +1
17:05:15 <gtw> +1
17:05:15 <pfps> +1
17:05:16 <gkellogg> +1
17:05:18 <tl> +1
17:05:18 <TallTed> +1
17:05:31 <AndyS> +1
17:05:34 <pchampin> +1
17:05:39 <fsasaki> +1
17:05:55 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2023-12-21
17:06:04 <ktk> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/04-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:06:12 <eBremer> chair: Adrian Gschwend
17:06:17 <pfps> It would be useful to have the topic for last week's meeting in the minutes
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17:07:10 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2024-01-04
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17:07:14 <gkellogg> +1
17:07:15 <niklasl> +1
17:07:16 <gtw> +1
17:07:18 <tl> +1
17:07:19 <AndyS> +1
17:07:19 <pchampin> +0
17:07:21 <ktk> +1
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17:07:23 <TallTed> +1
17:07:24 <olaf> present+
17:07:26 <olaf> +1
17:07:30 <doerthe> present+
17:07:39 <pfps> something like
17:07:39 <pfps>     Discussion of Andy's updated post https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Jan/0000.html
17:07:41 <AZ> +1
17:07:41 <pfps> +1
17:07:57 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2024-01-04
17:08:38 <pchampin> zakim, ,next item
17:08:38 <Zakim> I don't understand ',next item', pchampin
17:08:48 <pchampin> zakim, open item 2
17:08:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -- taken up [from 2 via agendabot]
17:08:50 <Souri> present+ only on irc today
17:09:11 <Souri> present+
17:09:28 <AndyS> q+
17:09:35 <niklasl> q+
17:09:37 <pfps> is there a pointer to "andy's proposal"
17:10:25 <niklasl> I'm not sure if https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals is Andy's or the subgroups? We have some variants?
17:10:35 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:10:47 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:11:11 <AndyS> It's not "Andy's" proposal - it was an attempt to record WG dicussion back to early December.
17:11:23 <pchampin> q+
17:11:45 <eBremer> niklasl: terminology has to be set
17:11:52 <tl> q+
17:11:54 <pchampin> q-
17:12:44 <AndyS> q+
17:13:01 <eBremer> niklasl: hoping people aren't overwhelmed by the mailing list
17:13:03 <ktk> ack tl
17:13:53 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:14:20 <eBremer> AndyS: no prepared to go on being editor on document
17:15:10 <tl> i did some more mails, but this is teh central one https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Jan/0062.html
17:15:32 <niklasl> 16:00 CET
17:16:40 <niklasl> q+
17:16:45 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:16:57 <eBremer> niklasl: terminology and uses cases not agreed on yet
17:17:24 <TallTed> adding a link to the calendar item, pointing to "the strawman proposal" to be discussed would be helpful
17:18:17 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals
17:20:10 <eBremer> niklasl: Andy has clarified many things and we are converging
17:20:31 <pfps> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/Triple%E2%80%90Edge-subgroup-proposals has quite a number of asides.  I think it would be better to have a cleaner document for the discussion.
17:21:37 <eBremer> pfps: nice to have a clean document that we dont have extraneous stuff in
17:23:01 <eBremer> Adrian: tomorrows discussion will determine topic for next weeks meeting
17:24:15 <TallTed> s/things and we are converging/things and I think we are converging/
17:24:23 <tl> s/i did some more mails, but this is teh central one/i posted a very minimal but extensible proposal
17:24:24 <eBremer> AndyS: disagrees that we are converging
17:24:41 <ktk> q?
17:24:42 <gkellogg> q+
17:24:42 <niklasl> s/and we are converging/and I think that we are converging/
17:24:54 <ktk> ack gkellogg
17:25:31 <eBremer> gkellogg: feels that we are not converging on a concesus view
17:26:02 <tl> q+
17:26:19 <pchampin> q+
17:27:44 <ktk> ack tl
17:27:46 <eBremer> gkellogg: doesnt know what its going to take to get everyone energy to go in the same direction
17:28:44 <eBremer> tl: the different proposals going around catching different aspects
17:29:30 <pchampin> q-
17:29:34 <niklasl> +1 for the annotation syntax, conditioned on that it is about an interpretation of a triple in a graph
17:31:06 <tl> q+
17:31:10 <eBremer> adrian: need stable place to see where we have agreement and not
17:31:13 <ktk> ack tl
17:31:21 <AndyS> q+
17:31:42 <niklasl> q+
17:32:20 <eBremer> Adrian: hard to track discussion on mailing list
17:32:53 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:33:18 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:33:33 <eBremer> niklasl: wiki isnt a place for the discussions
17:35:39 <eBremer> Adrian: try splitting wiki pages up
17:36:21 <niklasl> q+
17:36:28 <gkellogg> q+
17:36:43 <tl> q+
17:36:54 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:37:25 <eBremer> niklasl: will create document on github for terminology
17:37:36 <ktk> ack gkellogg
17:37:45 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/tree/main/docs
17:40:29 <ktk> ack tl
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17:41:35 <niklasl> q+
17:42:04 <eBremer> tl: the issue is so complex difficult to follow all proposals
17:42:52 <eBremer> Adrian: feels pull requests can be done and be easier to follow than distributed threads
17:43:29 <eBremer> tl: feels we are at point where mailing lists supere confusing
17:43:56 <eBremer> niklasl: hopes we just dont have a folder with a document for each persons proposal
17:44:14 <eBremer> niklasl: terminology should be shared accross
17:44:49 <eBremer> Adrian: feels forked based github scenario would help
17:45:04 <ktk> q?
17:45:07 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:45:55 <pchampin> zakim, open next agendum
17:45:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two metings: -- taken up [from 1]
17:46:01 <pchampin> zakim, open item 3
17:46:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 3 via agendabot]
17:46:11 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:46:13 <TallTed> Zakim, close item 1
17:46:13 <Zakim> agendum 1, Approval of minutes from the last two metings:, closed
17:46:15 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:46:15 <Zakim> 3. Review of open actions, available at [from 3 via agendabot]
17:47:44 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:47:44 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -- taken up [from 4]
17:47:46 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
17:47:53 <gkellogg> q+
17:47:59 <ktk> ack gkellogg
17:49:01 <olaf> q+
17:49:26 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/74
17:49:26 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/74
17:49:26 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/74
17:51:21 <eBremer> olaf: would like opinions of other editors on https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/134
17:51:56 <ktk> q?
17:51:59 <ktk> ack olaf
17:52:14 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:52:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Issue Triage, available at -- taken up [from 5]
17:52:25 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
17:52:50 <TallTed> q+
17:52:56 <ktk> ack TallTed
17:53:25 <gkellogg> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6?pane=issue&itemId=46800440
17:53:53 <eBremer> gkellogg: feels should spend time on "needs discussion"
17:54:23 <eBremer> TallTed: put appropriate labels on things without label.  Multiple open issues
17:54:41 <ktk> q?
17:54:55 <eBremer> Adrian: people add needs discussion tag for things people need to be discussed in meetings
17:55:07 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:55:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
18:04:59 <pchampin> s|agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two metings: -- taken up [from 1]|
18:05:21 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/01/04-rdf-star-minutes.html
18:05:30 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-rdf-star-minutes.html
18:05:43 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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