IRC log of wot on 2024-01-10

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/01/10-wot-irc
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meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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present+ Mahda_Noura
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#10_January_2024
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chair: Sebastian
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present+ Michael_Koster
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scribenick: McCool
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topic: minutes
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sb: minutes of Dec 20, 2023 - chairs have reviewed, fixed a few typos.
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... anyone else have any issues or objections?
13:05:58 [kaz]
i|minutes of|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html Dec-20|
13:05:58 [McCool]
... if none, propose approving the minutes
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rrsagent, make log public
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... (no objections heard)
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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... minutes approved
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present+ David_Ezell
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sb: (reviewed minutes policy)
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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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topic: Notices
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sb: IIWoT 2024 has been held Jan 6.
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... had several presentations - anyone attend and able to summarize?
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... Cristiano is not here today unfortunately
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mm: let's defer to next week
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sb: sure
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topic: Updates
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sb: agenda from last year have been archived
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q+
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q-
13:10:25 [McCool]
mm: think we should do some more cleanup, e.g. move liaisons to another page
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... will also do actions
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sb: agree
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kaz: agree
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... but should revisit as part of WG planning
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sb: next, notice about RDF canonicalization
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... also a topic we will follow
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q+
13:12:47 [McCool]
kaz: is just a call for implementation...
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mm: although I'm not sure it's the right answer for TD... we need to analyse
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kaz: so we should move it to liaisons
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sb: agree, will do that now
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... (moves to liaisons under W3C)
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s/implementation/implementation request a few month ago/
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topic: Schedule
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s/it to liaisons/it to liaisons (and then move to another file so that we can continue the discussion appropriately)/
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13:15:37 [McCool]
sb: several TF calls start Jan 15
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... and TD/binding new schedule starts today and tomorrow
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q+
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ack k
13:16:44 [McCool]
sb: also we updated the holidays, in particular the week of Feb 12
13:17:36 [McCool]
m: propose we cancel meetings that week, many holidays
13:17:47 [McCool]
sb: concur
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sb: also proposal to have an extended session to discuss IG charter next week, Jan 17
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... any objections to that?
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... (hearing none)
13:19:54 [kaz]
i|also we updated|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays|
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i|several TF calls|subtopic: Meeting schedule|
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q+
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subtopic: General schedule
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md
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mm: also there is a PR to update the schedule, to archive old events
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https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1162
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present+ Michael_Lagally, Cristiano_Aguzzi
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q+
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ack ml
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ml: should we materialize some other milestones e.g. for profile planning?
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mm: suggest in a separate PR
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kaz: agree
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q?
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ack k
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topic: Rescheduled Meetings
13:23:40 [kaz]
s/agree/agree. note we need a new TF moderator for the Profile work./
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:24:24 [McCool]
sb: already mentioned the new TD slots, review
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... note there are new W3C calendar entries
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... Wed is primarily TD, Thurs is primarily Binding
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q+
13:24:35 [mlagally]
s/e.g. for profile planning?/e.g. for profile planning? There are already planned dates in Q1/Q2 in the new charter./
13:25:03 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:25:23 [McCool]
ege: have to make sure we don't "starve" topics, so we will always start with the appropriate topic
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s/appropriate/primary/
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seb: are there also new zoom links?
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ege: Wed uses the old link, Thurs is new
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seb: next issue is Use Cases
13:26:45 [sebastian]
https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd?reauth=true
13:27:46 [McCool]
seb: there were five options, but it looks like Wed at 7am Eastern, e.g. one hour before the main call
13:27:48 [kaz]
s|https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd?reauth=true|-">https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd?reauth=true|-> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd Doodle for the Use Cases call|
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13:28:31 [kaz]
q+
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ack e
13:28:31 [McCool]
... but that means a long day on Wed
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mm: maybe we start it in two weeks?
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kaz: yes, unfortunate, but we are cutting down the TD call
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... I am ok with it
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... and charter is not a regular call
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ack k
13:30:01 [McCool]
seb: ok, let's keep this plan, and have a use case call next week
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q?
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q+
13:30:08 [kaz]
i|already mentioned|subtopic: TD/Binding|
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i|net issue is Use|subtopic: Use Cases|
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q?
13:30:38 [McCool]
mm: we need a TF lead before we can schedule the call...
13:30:44 [McCool]
seb: true, let's deal with that
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... we had two candidates: Mizushima and Mahda
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... spoke with Mahda yesterday, and maybe better if she takes over another one instead
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mahda: yes, I'm ok with that
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seb: mizushima-san, do you agree with being TF lead for use cases?
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seb: everyone else ok?
13:33:04 [Ege]
+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
13:33:31 [kaz]
+1
13:33:51 [McCool]
mm: should have a resolution
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proposal: Tomoaki Mizushima will be the new Use Cases TF lead
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13:34:40 [McCool]
+1
13:34:44 [sebastian]
resolution: Tomoaki Mizushima will be the new Use Cases TF lead
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+1
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q?
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ack m
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q+
13:36:23 [McCool]
seb: and to confirm, next UC call will be Jan 17
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action: Kaz to allocate a new zoom call for the use cases meeting
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kaz: I will create the zoom link
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action: Kaz to help Mizushima to send out a calendar entry to the group
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s/to send/send/
13:37:31 [Ege]
+1
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q+
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q-
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q+
13:38:27 [McCool]
mm: propose that after Jan 15 we suspend Security and Discovery for a while, and focus on UC&R, then restart once requirements done
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ack k
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q+
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q+
13:39:43 [mlagally]
q+
13:40:27 [McCool]
mm: also, I would like to propose that UC&R focuses on functional requirements, and technical are in each deliverable
13:40:38 [kaz]
ack k
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q-
13:41:28 [McCool]
ml: proposal makes sense... but needs some analysis of where requirement is to be satisfied
13:41:54 [kaz]
i|proposal|kaz: we need to clearly define functional vs technical requirements, so let's have more discussion during the use cases call.|
13:42:11 [kaz]
i|we need|scribenick: kaz|
13:42:19 [McCool]
... use case submitter needs to be available for discussion, may not be WG member
13:42:19 [kaz]
i|proposal make|scribenick: McCool|
13:42:24 [Mizushima]
+1 for kaz
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q?
13:43:03 [kaz]
q+
13:43:23 [McCool]
mm: would like to propose we have a mechanism to "communicate" a technical requirement from IG to WG
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ml: what if a requirement is split between deliverables? etc.
13:44:33 [kaz]
ack ml
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ack k
13:44:35 [McCool]
mm: let's talk about it in the UC call, part of process, may need a policy, etc.
13:44:49 [McCool]
kaz: agree with you both, let's discuss more in UC call
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topic: Planning
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subtopic: Policies
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seb: still several in the pipeline, so will have to schedule another policy session
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... maybe in two weeks
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q+
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ack k
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seb: (updates agenda to propose Jan 24 for a policy call)
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subtopic: Project Management
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q+
13:47:30 [Ege]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md
13:47:46 [McCool]
seb: TD/Binding - proposal
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ege: see link above
13:48:48 [McCool]
... this also captures some discussion of our current process
13:49:17 [McCool]
... also relates to meeting agendas, prioritization, task decomposition
13:49:36 [McCool]
... also need alignment with UC&R process
13:50:35 [McCool]
... proposal keeps some tables to keep track of items, who has been assigned to it, status (assigned, in progress, done, etc).
13:50:54 [kaz]
q+
13:51:37 [McCool]
ege: don't want anything too complicated, and don't want to change what we are doing too much
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ack e
13:51:59 [McCool]
kaz: TD is making steady progress, but from my viewpoint is still ongoing
13:52:21 [McCool]
... we need to clarify the procedure, in particular how UC & TF work combines
13:52:39 [McCool]
... it's also not just about github issues, but about features, requirements, testing, and so on
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q+
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ack k
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ack mc
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q+
13:54:06 [McCool]
mm: think we need a higher-level view, look at other major planning issues, e.g. testing, requirements capture, etc.
13:54:21 [McCool]
... but this is a good proposal for "agile" github issue resolution
13:54:43 [McCool]
... but we also need a long-term view, see if we are making progress on planned features, etc.
13:55:00 [McCool]
seb: would also be good to look at use-case driven categories
13:55:45 [kaz]
q-
13:56:05 [McCool]
mm: agree, but it would be good to also catch up with TD requirements discussion as well in UC call
13:56:12 [McCool]
seb: given time we have to move on
13:56:19 [McCool]
subtopic: Open Day 2024
13:56:32 [McCool]
seb: no new news, but probably next week
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subtopic: TF Reorg
13:57:12 [kaz]
q+
13:58:30 [McCool]
mm: suggest we put off restarting other TF until Feb, and also we definitely need new TF leads
13:58:44 [McCool]
... I can't lead four, but can do one - which one?
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kaz: also suggest moving TF lead/editor policy to policies section
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ack k
13:59:18 [McCool]
seb: sure, I can do that (did that)
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q+
13:59:53 [McCool]
subtopic: Social Media
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ack k
14:00:14 [McCool]
ege: wants access to posts? Chairs make sense...
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mm: staff at least should have access for succession
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q+
14:01:13 [McCool]
ege: well Marcom team has access...
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mm: ok
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topic: Resources
14:02:11 [kaz]
subtopic: Discovery
14:02:40 [McCool]
ege: Jan has made a PR for discovery HTML rendering. TM as well is in progress.
14:02:52 [McCool]
seb: time's up, adjourn. Thanks all!
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[adjourned]
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s/subtopic: Discovery//
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