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20:02:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jjdg
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20:03:30 <jjdg> TOPIC: New facilitator
20:07:37 <jjdg> Jan Jaap de Groot is the new Task Force facilitator since 4th of January, 2024.
20:08:07 <jjdg> TOPIC: New direction
20:09:27 <jjdg> Focusing on installable apps on Android and iOS, e.g. any app which is an .apk / .ipa, thus; web apps are not included.
20:10:17 <jjdg> Responsive design is already covered in the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group. The Mobile Accessibility Task Force focuses on mobile apps.
20:11:06 <jjdg> Goal for 2024: publish Working Group Note for applying WCAG 2.2 to Mobile Apps
20:11:59 <jjdg> Covers all success criteria, including triple A, and not just the new WCAG 2.2 ones.
20:12:49 <jjdg> Subgoals: WCAG-EM for mobile apps, e.g. how to carry out an accessibility audit for a mobile app. Apps do not have URL's like websites, therefore some changes are needed to be able to follow WCAG-EM 1:1.
20:14:06 <jjdg> Aspirational goal: Techniques for mobile apps, ways to meet Success Criteria, including code samples for multiple frameworks/programming languages.
20:16:26 <jjdg> Archival goal: update relevant resources, deprecate outdated resources and ones that are no longer relevant
20:17:26 <jjdg> Testing goal: contribute to existing ACT Rules, add new ones for mobile apps
20:19:43 <jjdg> Collaboration goal: collaborate more often with COGA (The Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force) and APA Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Working Group
20:20:51 <jjdg> Features goal: publish document listing available accessibility features on Android and iOS
20:31:16 <jjdg> Community goal: creating a place for the mobile accessibility community to come together
20:31:25 <jjdg> TOPIC: Timing change
20:32:20 <jjdg> Mick: prefers working hours, in GMT+0 timezone, evening also works
20:32:37 <jjdg> JJ: prefers working hours, in GMT+1 timezone, evening also works
20:33:58 <jjdg> Options: 7 PM GMT+0 would work for both JJ + Mick
20:34:41 <jjdg> Mick: Monday works nicely to kick-off the week, Wednesday/Friday don't work
20:35:03 <jjdg> JJ: Monday works well, other days are also ok, prefer earlier days in the week
20:35:12 <jjdg> TOPIC: WCAG 2.2 mapping
20:35:41 <jjdg> Review existing resources, wait for new partcipants before moving forward.
20:35:56 <jjdg> Considering using Markdown / Github to create the new Working Group Note
20:36:05 <jjdg> Work together async using Slack
20:36:24 <jjdg> TOPIC: New Task Force members
20:37:06 <jjdg> JJ: Lots of interested people in LinkedIn, hope to get 5+ people in the MATF as invited experts; have ±15 people in mind to reach out to.
20:37:24 <jjdg> JJ: Also try to get people interested to contribute outside of the MATF in the community
20:38:29 <jjdg> How can we make our resources beginner friendly?
20:39:14 <jjdg> Compare existing notes and figure out which ones are good examples.
20:39:52 <jjdg> COGA uses icons in their Note: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
20:40:54 <jjdg> Getting started document: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Getting_started
20:41:08 <jjdg> Ten tips guidance: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/%E2%80%9Cten_tips%E2%80%9D
20:42:08 <jjdg> Publish official note, and publish unofficial guidance on W3 Wiki / Appt.org?
20:45:23 <jjdg> TOPIC: Moving forward
20:45:37 <jjdg> Make samples in Markdown
20:45:50 <jjdg> Figure out how to collaborate efficiently
20:46:11 <jjdg> Reach out to potential MATF participants, try to plan meetings in January
20:46:33 <jjdg> Work out 1 Success Criteria to show how it could look like in the Note
20:46:55 <jjdg> E.g. do we map to mobile apps as a whole, or map to Android / iOS seperately
20:47:40 <jjdg> Figure out if we can collaborate with Google for Android and Apple for iOS
20:48:02 <jjdg> Check how we link to their existing resources, e.g. Material Design Guidelines / Core App Quality / Human Interface Guidelines
20:50:00 <jjdg> General guidance for all mobile operating systems, add exclusions for Android / iOS where applicable?
20:50:36 <jjdg> Guidance is mostly different on the techniques, e.g. how to achieve it, what should be achieved is the same; such as adding a label to images.
20:54:34 <jjdg> zakim, list participants
20:54:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jjdg, Mick
20:54:41 <jjdg> rrsagent, make minutes
20:54:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/08-matf-minutes.html jjdg
20:55:22 <jjdg> rrsagent, bye
20:55:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items