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12:59:46 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:00:00 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato
13:01:38 <kaz> topic: Agenda
13:01:55 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:02:00 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
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13:02:12 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:02:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:04:41 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda
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13:06:27 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:06:46 <kaz> topic: Minutes
13:06:49 <sebastian> topic: minutes
13:07:05 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/13-wot-minutes.html Dec-13
13:07:05 <sebastian> <MM scans the minutes from last meeting>
13:07:14 <kaz> s/topic: Minutes//
13:07:24 <kaz> s/topic: m/topic: M/
13:07:56 <kaz> q+
13:08:06 <sebastian> MM: We need to fix to "any change"
13:08:19 <sebastian> ... shoul be versioned
13:08:28 <sebastian> s/shoul/should
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13:09:21 <sebastian> Kaz: we need to clearify the Policy when we want to change the minutes
13:09:55 <sebastian> MM: It is wrong recorded in the minutes,  so it should be fixed
13:10:23 <sebastian> MM: something else we need to change?
13:10:57 <sebastian> s/"any change"/"any changes"
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13:11:28 <sebastian> Kaz: this change should be labeled as maintinance policy
13:11:41 <sebastian> MM: agree
13:12:07 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:12:14 <sebastian> no
13:12:19 <sebastian> minutes approved
13:12:30 <kaz> s/this change should be labeled as maintinance policy/that should be clarified as the maintenance policy for the wot-resources repository./
13:12:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:45 <sebastian> topic: Quick Updates
13:13:00 <kaz> subtopic: End-of-year Agenda Archival
13:13:06 <Ege> q+
13:13:16 <sebastian> MM: will archive meeting agendas at the end of the year
13:13:24 <kaz> subtopic: Nordic Chapter CG
13:13:42 <kaz> q?
13:13:49 <sebastian> MM: there are around 20 people in the meeting
13:14:10 <sebastian> ... it was like a mini conference
13:14:25 <sebastian> ... missed one hour
13:14:34 <kaz> s/agendas/agendas on the WoT main wiki/
13:14:37 <kaz> ack e
13:14:55 <sebastian> ... they switched to Swedish for doing organization things
13:15:46 <mjk> q?
13:16:18 <sebastian> Kaz: they had around 10 topics
13:16:44 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/smartcity-nordic/2023/12/13/meeting-18-dec-about-local-digital-twins-and-the-metaverse/
13:16:51 <sebastian> ... we need to clearify the reason between the Nodrdic City and WoT WG
13:17:06 <kaz> s|metaverse/metaverse Nordic CG's Dec-18 meeting agenda|
13:17:12 <sebastian> topic: Meeting Schedule Changes
13:17:14 <kaz> s/reason/liaison/
13:17:20 <kaz> s/City/CG/
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13:17:43 <kaz> s/WoT WG/WoT WG. Let's continue discussion with their Chair separately by email./
13:17:49 <sebastian> <MM shows the latest Cancellation overview>
13:17:59 <Ege> q+
13:18:07 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events
13:18:12 <kaz> q+
13:18:15 <kaz> q-
13:18:16 <kaz> q+
13:18:47 <sebastian> EK: we need to change tentative to confirmed for the TD calls
13:18:57 <kaz> ack e
13:18:59 <kaz> ack k
13:19:13 <sebastian> Kaz_ security and discovery will start 15th of January?
13:19:21 <kaz> s/Kaz_/Kaz:/
13:19:24 <sebastian> s/Kaz_/Kaz:
13:19:33 <sebastian> MM: yes
13:19:34 <sebastian> ;-)
13:19:49 <kaz> s/security and discovery/scripting, security and discovery/
13:19:56 <kaz> s/15th/on the 15th/
13:20:03 <sebastian> <MM updates the Schedule page>
13:20:07 <kaz> s/January?/January. Right?/
13:20:20 <kaz> s/security/Just to make sure, security/
13:20:21 <sebastian> subtopic: use cases
13:20:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:20:48 <sebastian> MM: Seem there was some confusion
13:20:50 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:21:02 <kaz> q?
13:21:08 <sebastian> ... intention to the doodle was to find new time slot
13:21:29 <sebastian> ... even there is no new task force lead yet
13:21:38 <kaz> i/slot/slot in parallel/
13:21:44 <sebastian> ... hope, that there some volunteers
13:21:46 <sebastian> +q
13:22:03 <kaz> -> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd doodle
13:22:05 <McCool> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e9pR1vPd/vote
13:22:08 <dape> q+
13:22:14 <kaz> q+
13:22:28 <kaz> ack d
13:22:48 <kaz> ack s
13:23:05 <kaz> s/doodle/doodle for use cases calls/
13:23:28 <sebastian> DP: an email reminder would be good
13:23:35 <sebastian> MM: there was an email shared
13:23:41 <mjk> q?
13:24:10 <kaz> ack k
13:24:37 <sebastian> SK: welcome to apply as a Use Case moderator, should be not that time consuming
13:25:31 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm ok to start perliminary, but priority should be to find a moderater, even it takes longer as expected
13:26:02 <sebastian> topic: Charter
13:26:13 <kaz> s/Charter/WG planning/
13:26:25 <sebastian> MM: some topics have to be done
13:26:56 <kaz> s/, even it takes longer as expected/. maybe we need to hold a doodle again if it takes longer than expected to find the moderator./
13:26:58 <sebastian> ... e.g., policies, some open PRs, decissions about Twitter
13:27:23 <sebastian> ... we need to find some new TF leads
13:28:22 <kaz> i/topic:/Kaz: note that the work for moderators might be busier than usual for a while to have initial discussion on the policy, template, workflow, etc., but would become easier in a few months./
13:28:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:28:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:28:47 <sebastian> MM: we can think about a PlugFest during the Fiware Summit
13:28:51 <kaz> q+
13:29:13 <sebastian> ... it takes place in June, somewhere in Euurope
13:29:23 <sebastian> s/Euurope/Europe
13:30:27 <sebastian> Kaz: there is already another thread about a Fiware liasion.
13:31:45 <sebastian> q+
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13:32:51 <dezell2> present+ David_Ezell
13:32:57 <dezell2> present+ David_Ezell
13:33:09 <kaz> ack kaz
13:33:10 <kaz> ack se
13:33:16 <dape> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:33:18 <sebastian> SK: I think its ok to record, so that we have an overview whats is going on
13:33:41 <kaz> Kaz: @@@
13:33:45 <sebastian> topic: Resources
13:34:29 <kaz> s/@@@/We should think about all the related SDOs in addition to FIWARE, so let's say "need to void overlaps with related SDOs meetings, e.g., FIWARE."/
13:34:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:34:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:34:41 <sebastian> MM: Jan is looking into the ontology rendering issue
13:34:54 <kaz> q+
13:35:00 <sebastian> ... there is also an empty TM html file
13:36:02 <sebastian> EK: we need to updated TM ttl file to make html work
13:36:14 <sebastian> ... Mahda has already provided a PR
13:36:28 <kaz> s/updated/update/
13:37:10 <sebastian> ... in the future we should think about versioning for the subsequent changes
13:37:13 <kaz> chair: McCool, Sebastian, Koster
13:37:48 <sebastian> ... problem we linking a specific version in the TD spec
13:38:04 <kaz> i/We should think/scribenick: kaz/
13:38:12 <sebastian> MM: there is the option of an errata to update the link
13:38:19 <kaz> i/Jan is l/scribenick: sebastian/
13:38:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:39:33 <sebastian> EK: when we update the repository we need to touch the REC all the time, this is annyoing.
13:39:55 <kaz> q?
13:40:28 <sebastian> MM: first of all we need to adjust the implemenation and have an errata
13:40:34 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:40:37 <kaz> q?
13:40:52 <kaz> present- Kaz:Ashimura
13:40:58 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
13:41:05 <sebastian> ... we can have link to the errata which have the latest links
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13:42:05 <sebastian> ... we can warn the people in the errata document that they should use the updated URLs
13:42:33 <sebastian> EK: I can setup such a document
13:43:20 <kaz> ack k
13:43:51 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm agree about this procedure. We should clearify the policy for the maintenance. What is related for TD 1.1 and what is relevant for TD 2.0
13:44:53 <sebastian> MM: Let's table this for now. Ege will provide a plicy document and lets dicuss this then
13:45:08 <sebastian> s/dicuss/discuss
13:45:19 <Ege> q+
13:45:21 <sebastian> topic: Meetups
13:45:27 <kaz> s/I'm agree about this procedure. We should clearify the policy for the maintenance./I agree on the discussion, and wanted to suggest again we clarify our policy on how to maintain wot-resources./
13:45:32 <sebastian> subtopic: WoT CG
13:46:03 <kaz> s/TD 2.0/TD 2.0. If some of the problems are actual bugs for 1.1 specs, we need to record them within the errata files too./
13:46:08 <kaz> q?
13:46:31 <kaz> ack e
13:46:40 <sebastian> EK: there was a presenation from Grundfos about WoT. Presentation and video are available
13:46:59 <kaz> q+
13:47:16 <Ege> q+
13:47:22 <sebastian> MM: Grundfos mention an ISO standard that uses WoT ontologies
13:47:24 <kaz> q- later
13:48:05 <kaz> ack e
13:48:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:48:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:49:02 <sebastian> EK: I send an email to get more information and contact person about the ISO standard
13:49:23 <sebastian> Kaz: Could be good candidate for a liasion
13:50:17 <kaz> s/Could be good candidate for a liasion/after getting clarification based on Ege's message, I'll work with the W3C Liaison Team for the possible new liaison with the ISO group./
13:50:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:50:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:50:54 <kaz> q+
13:51:08 <sebastian> topic: Liasion
13:51:12 <sebastian> subtopic: OPC UA
13:51:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:51:26 <kaz> q?
13:52:20 <McCool> q+
13:52:27 <mjk> q?
13:52:59 <mjk> q+
13:53:57 <sebastian> SK: starting the "OPC UA Binding for Web of Things", internally it is setup the formal procedure within OPCF
13:54:11 <sebastian> ... expect the WG begin of next year
13:54:33 <sebastian> MK: is the same time slot used?
13:54:42 <sebastian> SK: not discussed yet, would make sense
13:55:12 <kaz> kaz: even though we won't have a joint deliverable, we need to think about how to proceed with our collaboration. From time to time, we (WoT WG) should let them know about our updates on Binding Template registry, etc.
13:55:14 <sebastian> Kaz: how does the colleberate look like?
13:55:21 <kaz> ack k
13:55:25 <kaz> ack mc
13:55:28 <kaz> ack mj
13:55:46 <kaz> s/kaz: even though we won't have a joint deliverable, we need to think about how to proceed with our collaboration. From time to time, we (WoT WG) should let them know about our updates on Binding Template registry, etc.//
13:55:48 <kaz> kaz: even though we won't have a joint deliverable, we need to think about how to proceed with our collaboration. From time to time, we (WoT WG) should let them know about our updates on Binding Template registry, etc.
13:56:05 <sebastian> SK: OPCF will act indepenent since there is no joint deliverable
13:56:16 <kaz> s/kaz: even though we won't have a joint deliverable, we need to think about how to proceed with our collaboration. From time to time, we (WoT WG) should let them know about our updates on Binding Template registry, etc.//
13:56:18 <kaz> kaz: even though we won't have a joint deliverable, we need to think about how to proceed with our collaboration. From time to time, we (WoT WG) should let them know about our updates on Binding Template registry, etc.
13:56:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:57:05 <kaz> i/even though/scribenick: kaz/
13:57:09 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:57:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:57:24 <mjk> ack mjk
13:57:53 <sebastian> SK: what I wrote in the charter that we can run together PlugFests
13:58:17 <sebastian> topic: TF reports
13:58:39 <Ege> https://w3c.social/@wot
13:58:41 <kaz> q+
13:59:27 <sebastian> EK: Marketing TF decided to create Mastodon WoT account
13:59:56 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/461
13:59:59 <kaz> s/account/account and the whole WoT WG also made a resolution for that direction last week/
14:00:47 <sebastian> ... regarding this there are some PRs
14:01:29 <sebastian> ... we decided to keep the Twitter account and will link it on the WoT webpage
14:01:58 <kaz> q?
14:02:51 <luca_barbato> luca_barbato has joined #wot
14:03:21 <sebastian> Kaz: We need to decide which way to go. I'm ok to have both. Ege, you can tell which one would be better in the future.
14:03:23 <kaz> ack k
14:03:31 <kaz> s/decide/see/
14:03:58 <sebastian> EK: in the Marketing TF we decided to keep both. W3C MarComm is also ok with it.
14:04:21 <sebastian> <break for 10min>
14:05:10 <sebastian> <continue 3:10pm CET>
14:05:32 <kaz> s/for 10min/till 10min past/
14:05:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:06:37 <mlagally> mlagally has joined #wot
14:06:52 <mlagally> zakim, who is on the call?
14:06:52 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, David_Ezell,
14:06:55 <Zakim> ... Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:07:08 <mlagally> Can somebody please post the zoom link?
14:08:35 <Mizushima> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/87183898009?pwd=UmVHZEpYTGdQbG1VMHVtQmxqUGMxdz09
14:09:06 <kaz> s|https://us02web.zoom.us/j/87183898009?pwd=UmVHZEpYTGdQbG1VMHVtQmxqUGMxdz09||
14:09:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:10:17 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
14:12:37 <mjk> q?
14:12:46 <kaz> s/Can somebody please post the zoom link?//
14:12:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:13:22 <kaz> scribenick: Ege
14:13:34 <kaz> q+
14:13:50 <Ege> topic: IG Charter Discussion
14:14:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 Strategy issue
14:15:23 <kaz> i|Strategy|subtopic: Strategy Issue for 3-mo extension|
14:15:36 <Ege> mk: we need to finalize the scope
14:15:46 <kaz> i/we need/subtopic: Scope
14:17:24 <kaz> i/Scope/kaz: As you know, these days we need to create a Strategy repo issue for rechartering procedure, so I've creating one as above. Also asking for a 3-mo extension for the rechartering procedure. Will get approval tomorrow, and will send an advance notice message about that to the AC tomorrow./
14:17:38 <Ege> mk: supporting the WG
14:18:12 <kaz> i|need to fi|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-ig-2023-draft.html Draft IG Charter|
14:18:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:18:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:18:51 <Ege> ... the changes to the scope is to take out the third point and update the second one
14:18:55 <Ege> q?
14:19:05 <kaz> i/supporting/(Koster goes through the bullet points on "Scope Summary")/
14:19:07 <kaz> q-
14:19:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:19:20 <Ege> ... we will take out tutorials from the 4th point
14:19:27 <kaz> i/As you know/scribenick: kaz/
14:19:33 <kaz> s/need to fi/scribenick: Ege/
14:19:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:20:04 <kaz> s/scribenick: Ege/need to fi/
14:20:10 <kaz> i/need to fi/scribenick: Ege/
14:20:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:20:24 <mlagally> q+
14:20:33 <Ege> ... once we update the scope, we can better explain the relationship between groups
14:21:41 <kaz> i|supporting the WG|Support the Web of Things Working Group
14:21:42 <kaz> Organize and run interoperability and testing events, including events for specific vertical industries, to evaluate the current working assumptions in regard to the Web of Things
14:21:42 <kaz> Reach out and collaborate with interested organizations, industry specific and infrastructure vendors, and communities in support of the Interest Group's mission
14:21:42 <kaz> Develop supporting materials such as implementation guidelines and tutorials
14:21:43 <kaz> Explore areas and identify work that is ready for transfer to the W3C Recommendation Track|
14:21:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:21:54 <Ege> mm: the IG owns the website since we cannot transfer to the CG
14:22:14 <Ege> q+
14:22:34 <kaz> q+
14:22:46 <Ege> ml: a couple of things. the IG is defining wg documents via use cases
14:23:14 <Ege> ... also organizing plugfests so that we also show that WG specs are working in real life
14:23:30 <Ege> ... bring people to the specification work in the WG
14:23:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:23:42 <Ege> ... use cases can help with that
14:24:33 <kaz> q?
14:24:36 <kaz> ack ml
14:25:29 <McCool> q+
14:25:31 <Ege> mk: bringing active people is good idea
14:25:51 <kaz> q?
14:25:51 <Ege> ml: we should not split requirements from use cases. Otherwise it stays a theoritical activity
14:25:55 <Ege> mk: it makes sense
14:26:04 <Ege> mm: yes we are doing that
14:26:28 <kaz> ack mc
14:27:12 <kaz> ack e
14:27:53 <sebastian> q+
14:27:56 <Ege> ek: just to be clear. The website is an IG resource, marketing TF is also an IG TF. CG cannot own a part of IG resource. We can however link to CG resources etc.
14:28:10 <Ege> mk: right, that is what I remember as well
14:30:06 <Ege> kaz: I agree with focusing on the scope
14:30:39 <kaz> s/focusing on the scope/focusing on the scope, but would suggest we start with the "Scope Summary" as Koster originally mentioned./
14:30:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:30:51 <kaz> ack k
14:30:53 <Ege> q+
14:31:02 <Ege> mk: Is social media part of website?
14:31:23 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/134
14:31:25 <kaz> q+
14:31:54 <Ege> sk: there is a PR from Ege that shows the relationship between the groups
14:32:11 <kaz> i/Is social/(Koster adds comments on "Scope Summary" topics based on today's discussion)/
14:32:14 <kaz> ack se
14:33:26 <Ege> mk: This is a nice diagram for discussion
14:33:45 <Ege> mk: how does outreach work at the moment?
14:33:58 <mjk> q:
14:34:01 <mjk> q?
14:34:06 <kaz> s/q://
14:34:16 <mlagally> q+
14:35:54 <kaz> ack e
14:36:04 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/8e0c4da38539f163085bcb7f5b81b9918d7011c1/relationship.md rendered relationship.md
14:38:15 <Ege> kaz: we can merge this with a draft title. it is a great start
14:39:24 <Ege> mk: yeah we can do that
14:40:29 <kaz> s/ it is a great start/ it is a great start, but we still need to extract topics from this and put actual text to the IG Charter./
14:40:44 <Ege> ml: nice figures, thanks.
14:40:54 <kaz> s/we can mer/if everybody is OK, we can mer/
14:40:57 <Ege> ml: we should stress the fact that we want to bring new people
14:40:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:41:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:41:12 <kaz> q?
14:41:13 <kaz> ack k
14:41:17 <kaz> q+
14:41:19 <Ege> q+
14:41:21 <Ege> ack ml
14:42:01 <Ege> ... so we should encourage people to contribute
14:43:24 <Ege> ... writing a use case is already a burden for some
14:43:36 <kaz> ack k
14:44:34 <kaz> kaz: let's record Lagally's points on the Issue 122
14:45:12 <kaz> q+
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14:45:45 <kaz> ack e
14:47:30 <mlagally_> q+
14:48:12 <kaz> ack k
14:48:15 <Ege> ek: we should not imply that the IG participation is necessary first
14:48:51 <Ege> ml: we should just get new members, doesn't matter the group
14:49:04 <kaz> i/we should/kaz: or clarify for what people should join the IG as part of the Scope discussion :)/
14:49:13 <kaz> ack ml
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14:50:39 <kaz> s/Issue 122/Issue 122. regarding the roles of related groups, let's discuss them based on the relationship.md separately./
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14:50:51 <kaz> q?
14:50:55 <kaz> q+
14:51:04 <McCool> ntd, sorry; ttyl (happy holidays!)
14:51:52 <sebastian> you too
14:54:22 <mlagally_> merry xmas
14:54:43 <Ege> subtopic: Plugfest and Testing PR (137)
14:54:53 <kaz> q?
14:54:53 <Ege> sk: testing is a wg activity so we make this clear
14:55:42 <mjk> q?
14:55:47 <kaz> ack k
14:56:24 <Ege> mk: As sebastian mentioned, we should focus on interoperability events
14:57:01 <mjk> q?
14:57:13 <Ege> mk: Any remarks on the relationship document?
14:57:35 <kaz> i/Any/kaz: given we just have 5 more minutes for today, we should not change the subtopic now but concentrate on the discussion on the "Scope Summary". Also we should make decision on whether we want to merge PR 134 or not./
14:58:14 <Ege> mk: Let's merge the relationship PR
14:58:24 <Ege> ... so we can continue work on the charter
14:58:29 <kaz> i/Any rema/subtopic: Relationship among WoT groups/
14:58:31 <Ege> ... aob?
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14:59:08 <kaz> [adjourned]
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