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15:52:28 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
15:52:29 <Fazio_> meeting: Maturity Model
15:52:34 <Fazio_> Chair: Fazio
15:53:54 <Fazio_> Agenda+ New Business
15:54:15 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Discuss timeline for Maturity Model release Candidate, next year or are we just expectations.
15:54:38 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issue #43 & #83 Usability Update
15:54:38 <gb> /issues/43 -> #43
15:54:38 <gb> /issues/83 -> #83
15:54:59 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issue #85 Inconsistencies in Inactive ratings for various dimensions
15:54:59 <gb> /issues/85 -> #85
15:55:21 <Fazio_> Agenda + Github Issue #89 ICT Development Lifecycle ratings outcomes aren't stated like the outcomes are in Silver
15:55:21 <gb> /issues/89 -> #89
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16:04:39 <DrKeith> ++
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16:05:56 <stacey> scribe+
16:06:15 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:06:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:08:18 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
16:08:39 <stacey> Jeff: is anyone planning on a CSUN preso on maturity model?
16:09:07 <stacey> (looks like no)
16:10:23 <DrKeith> is the call for presentations still open? for CSUN?
16:10:39 <stacey> Mark: any way to note for future (like a summer topic) to talk about future talks/planning for CSUN?
16:11:11 <stacey> Janina: Yes, there are methodologies, up to the group to define working processes. Can use Github.
16:11:56 <stacey> ack DrKeith
16:15:51 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:15:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Discuss timeline for Maturity Model release Candidate, next year or are we just expectations. -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:17:11 <stacey> Janina: targeting July per last conversation. Release candidate may not be correct term? Wide review call will likely target May or June for that.
16:17:57 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:17:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issue #43 & #83 Usability Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:17:57 <gb> /issues/43 -> #43
16:17:57 <gb> /issues/83 -> #83
16:19:04 <stacey> stacey: it's not issue #83, should be issue #85 in relations to issue #43
16:19:04 <gb> /issues/85 -> #85
16:20:04 <stacey> Stacey: will have a proof of concept for next meeting, will share it with Susi and aMark before then.
16:20:12 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:20:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #85 Inconsistencies in Inactive ratings for various dimensions -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:21:15 <stacey> Stacey: this agenda item for #85 should be with 43 above it.
16:21:21 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:21:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Github Issue #89 ICT Development Lifecycle ratings outcomes aren't stated like the outcomes are in Silver -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:21:21 <gb> /issues/89 -> #89
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16:22:26 <Fazio_> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/89
16:22:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/89 -> Issue 89 ICT Development Lifecycle ratings outcomes aren't stated like the outcomes are in Silver (by maryjom)
16:23:09 <kline> present+
16:25:40 <stacey> Mark: we shouldn't be descriptive. Maybe for VPAT someone is using another description. Is this more about providing examples? Or providing more examples? Adjusting language?
16:26:20 <stacey> David: agree. Don't want examples to take the place of the content and we don't want to be prescriptive
16:27:11 <stacey> Jeff: agree. Language for the outcome is very specific, should be more general.
16:28:22 <stacey> David: does this tie into what Stacey, Mark, and Susi are doing with outcome statements? (tie in #89 with #43 as well?)
16:28:37 <stacey> Stacey: will take a look with proof of concept
16:29:12 <stacey> zakim, next item
16:29:12 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, stacey
16:30:05 <stacey> Jeff: re-looked at spreadsheet - we discussed the question of should we have outcomes for inactive stage. Maybe revisit this as a group?
16:31:00 <stacey> David: Stacey, Mark, and Susi looking at that as part of the usability with the outcomes.
16:31:11 <stacey> Stacey: Jeff, please join us as you're able
16:31:55 <stacey> David: any new business?
16:32:05 <stacey> Janina: anyone want to go back to CSUN convo?
16:33:04 <stacey> Mark: focus on talks in general in 2024. Do we need to develop a slide deck and a talk, something that could be replicated and delivered by more than one person for whomever has time/wants to? Standardized "agreed-upon" preso?
16:33:52 <stacey> David: for the intro on introducing and how to talk about the need/why we have the model is needed. But every conference has a theme, so could leave the rest open to discuss and promote (not train)
16:37:15 <stacey> Janina: we can use the W3C and WAI logos.
16:38:18 <stacey> David: make sure it's not making it sound like it's from the company/individual you represent during a preso.
16:38:21 <DrKeith> q+ is the presentation somethign that you'd consider promoting on YouTube?
16:38:31 <stacey> ack DrKetih
16:39:06 <stacey> David: everyone is free to use their social media channels
16:39:49 <stacey> Janina: caveat, make it clear that you have or have not gotten blessing for it, you're not speaking for W3C, you're speaking for yourself
16:40:10 <stacey> Janina: we could put an official video, etc. out there but we might not want to until we're done
16:40:57 <stacey> David: yes, you can share and promote the model
16:41:21 <janina> APA Videos: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples
16:53:35 <stacey> zakim, end meeting
16:53:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, Mark_Miller, kline, stacey, +, DrKeith, janina, Lionel_Wolberger_
16:53:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:53:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/20-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:53:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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