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13:45:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
13:45:43 <matatk> agenda?
13:46:26 <matatk> meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:46:33 <matatk> chair: Matthew
13:46:42 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:46:48 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:46:52 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:46:56 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:47:03 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:47:09 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
13:47:14 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
13:47:23 <matatk> agenda?
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15:02:06 <Fazio> present+
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15:03:04 <Roy_> present+
15:03:16 <matatk> agenda?
15:03:21 <matatk> present+
15:03:47 <PaulG> scribe: PaulG
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15:04:14 <PaulG> matatk: we have a new member, Rita Shewbridge
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15:07:17 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:09:41 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:09:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
15:12:32 <PaulG> matatk: I asked last week about who will attend CSUN because there's an opportunity to meet and conduct some WG or TF work
15:12:47 <Fazio> I'll be at CSUN
15:12:48 <PaulG> ...if anyone else knows they're attending, please let me know
15:14:02 <matatk> q?
15:14:30 <PaulG> Fazio: can we use the room to do presentations about w3c work?
15:15:11 <PaulG> matatk: I think it will depend on what agreement is reached with the conference. My expectation is that it's just for private work but I can ask
15:15:27 <matatk> q?
15:15:31 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:15:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
15:15:58 <matatk> scribe+
15:16:02 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5477
15:16:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5477 -> Issue 5477 [css-lists] CSS counter scope/inheritance is incompatible with HTML ordinals (by MatsPalmgren) [css-lists-3] [CSS2] [Needs Testcase (WPT)]
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15:16:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:16:38 <matatk> PaulG: About counters and how they work with HTML list structures. Currently there's not agreement, and they're trying to work through it.
15:16:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:16:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/13-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:17:16 <matatk> q?
15:18:10 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:18:10 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
15:19:12 <matatk> Thank you to APA, from the Devices and Sensors WG: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Dec/0009.html
15:20:45 <PaulG> matatk: (see the email) we came up with some text for Devices and Sensors compute pressure spec
15:21:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to APA team efforts!
15:21:33 <PaulG> ...and I'm going to approve it since it's exactly what we suggested
15:22:38 <PaulG> matatk: as discussed in the email, we talked about how they want to give developers resources to help reach these recommendations
15:23:05 <PaulG> ...I'm asking if anyone wants to have another look or if we want to contribute to the guides
15:23:18 <PaulG> ...a good example is
15:24:06 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/non-text-contrast.html
15:25:28 <matatk> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/compute-pressure/pull/247.html#accessibility-considerations
15:27:49 <PaulG> matatk: we're talking about software: color alone and toast messages
15:29:55 <PaulG> Fazio: icloud has a meter approach that doesn't rely on color
15:30:54 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/alert/examples/alert/
15:34:24 <PaulG> I'll look at the examples to make sure we're talking about the right pattern to use here
15:35:18 <PaulG> Fazio: dynamic elements that appear to be interactive but aren't that's a problem
15:35:26 <matatk> q?
15:37:26 <matatk> One's assigned GitHub tasks: https://github.com/issues/assigned
15:37:53 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:37:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
15:38:04 <matatk> q?
15:38:17 <PaulG> zakim, close this item
15:38:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:38:18 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:38:18 <Zakim> 5. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]
15:38:19 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:38:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
15:39:16 <matatk> subtopic: Adapt
15:39:16 <PaulG> matatk: if you're involved in TF work and you want to briefly share that
15:39:39 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/discussions
15:40:09 <PaulG> matatk: in discussions something is discussed and later promoted into issues
15:40:54 <PaulG> ...the challenge is you can comment on lines of code but that's not accessible to screenreader users
15:41:00 <PaulG> ...discussions should be accessiblel
15:41:32 <PaulG> ...so we're proceeding with discussions of general things and it's more integrated and visible to the public
15:42:23 <matatk> One of the upcoming specs: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/blob/add-explainers/explainers/well-known-destinations.md
15:43:26 <PaulG> ...this is an example of a discussion being worked into a spec
15:44:37 <matatk> q?
15:45:11 <matatk> subtopic: Maturity
15:46:04 <PaulG> Fazio: there should be updates in the document we're going to publish before the end of the year
15:46:09 <Roy_> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
15:46:18 <matatk> q+
15:46:29 <matatk> ack me
15:48:38 <PaulG> Fazio: is there a good tutorial for github?
15:48:57 <PaulG> matatk: there should be one, especially for non-developers, that we can recommend
15:50:00 <Roy_> https://w3c.github.io/
15:52:32 <PaulG> zakim, next item
15:52:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
15:53:00 <PaulG> matatk: we are meeting next week.
15:53:14 <PaulG> ...TF's may or may not
15:55:42 <PaulG> zakim, end meeting
15:55:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, PaulG, Roy_, matatk, niklasegger, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger
15:55:44 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:55:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/13-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:55:52 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, PaulG; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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