12:07:51 RRSAgent has joined #apa 12:07:55 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/12/06-apa-irc 12:07:55 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:07:56 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk 12:08:12 meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference 12:08:18 chair: matatk 12:08:24 chair: Matthew 12:08:26 present+ 12:09:26 agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 12:09:36 agenda+ Compute Pressure CfC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Nov/0013.html 12:09:46 agenda+ Prospects for APA Face to Face Around CSUN? 12:09:53 agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues 12:10:01 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open 12:10:08 agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates 12:10:14 agenda+ Other Business 12:10:21 agenda+ be done 12:10:28 agenda? 13:50:27 Roy has joined #apa 13:53:57 Roy has joined #apa 14:56:38 IrfanAli has joined #apa 14:57:02 present+ 14:59:17 agenda? 14:59:30 present+ 14:59:40 matatk has joined #apa 14:59:43 present+ 14:59:45 agenda? 14:59:55 present+ 15:00:56 PaulG has joined #apa 15:02:03 present+ 15:02:16 mike_beganyi has joined #apa 15:02:57 present+ 15:03:22 scribe+ 15:03:32 zakim, take up item 1 15:03:32 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk] 15:03:45 Lionel_Wolberger has joined #apa 15:03:48 present+ 15:03:54 zakim, who is here 15:03:54 Lionel_Wolberger, you need to end that query with '?' 15:03:56 zakim, who is here? 15:03:56 Present: matatk, IrfanAli, janina, Roy, PaulG, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger 15:03:59 On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, mike_beganyi, PaulG, matatk, IrfanAli, Roy, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, janina, sonicscrewdriver, imlostlmao, gonzu_15, M2cshkpcgrp, joraboi445, 15:03:59 ... SintayewGashaw, slightlyoff, gb, Rachael, cwilso, tink, ada, jcraig, agendabot 15:04:03 matatk: going to add New Charters to review, since we have one new one 15:04:26 zakim, take up next item 15:04:26 agendum 1 was just opened, mike_beganyi 15:04:31 zakim, close this item 15:04:31 agendum 1 closed 15:04:32 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:04:32 2. Compute Pressure CfC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Nov/0013.html [from matatk] 15:05:06 zakim, next item 15:05:06 agendum 2 -- Compute Pressure CfC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Nov/0013.html -- taken up [from matatk] 15:05:07 janina: CFC will be expiring at midnight tonight 15:05:16 niklasegger has joined #apa 15:05:17 Fredrik has joined #apa 15:05:18 present+ 15:05:18 janina: CFC will be expiring at midnight tonight 15:05:21 present+ 15:05:36 janina: midnight Boston time 15:06:32 zakim, close this item 15:06:32 agendum 2 closed 15:06:32 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:06:32 3. Prospects for APA Face to Face Around CSUN? [from matatk] 15:06:42 topic: New Charters Review 15:06:46 subtopic: Web Identity Credential Working Group Charter 15:06:46 - charter: https://github.com/fedidcg/fedidcg.github.io/blob/main/charters/Proposed-WG-WebIdentityCredentials.md 15:06:46 - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/427 15:06:47 https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/427 -> Issue 427 [wg/wic] Web Identity Credential Working Group Charter (by plehegar) [Security] [Horizontal review requested] [security-tracker] [Advance Notice Sent] [charter] 15:07:07 rrsagent, make minutes 15:07:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/06-apa-minutes.html matatk 15:07:16 Roy: Web identity Credential Working Group. New group at W3C 15:07:45 Roy: authorization for the web. I read their documents and a11y is not mentioned in the charter 15:08:06 q+ 15:08:55 Roy: they try to use some new web feature within browser to support authentication flow. 15:09:03 Leandro has joined #APA 15:09:40 matatk: starting with what's out of scope. the designing of new authentication methods and credentials formats is all out of scope. 15:10:13 matatk: authentication and authorization are different. authentication is proving you are who you say. authorization is checking that the person you say you are has access. two different things 15:10:55 matatk: struggling to pick out exactly what the group will be doing. 15:11:06 matatk: seems like credential status, API... 15:13:30 matatk: with anything new like this, it's best to be cautious and ask for coordination as necessary. I think it might be beneficial for us to ask to talk with them so we can learn more about what they're working on 15:13:42 matatk: I don't object to this as an APA co-chair 15:13:56 q? 15:14:06 q+ 15:14:11 ack matatk 15:14:59 Lionel_Wolberger: we do wish to ensure they have front of mind experience of a11y, particularly time-based and memory limitations as articulated by relationship with COGA 15:15:02 Leandro_ has joined #APA 15:15:12 ack me 15:15:14 ack janina 15:15:18 q+ 15:15:27 scribe+ 15:15:31 janina: basically Lionel's point. we will surface requirements that we have their API support time limitations, etc. 15:15:52 Leandro__ has joined #APA 15:15:59 Lionel_Wolberger: [Noting that 'memory' referred to here is the user's biological memory, not device memory] 15:16:22 q- 15:16:45 matatk: don't think we can approve this right away 15:17:03 q+ 15:17:17 ack PaulG 15:18:31 PaulG: at a minimum, we want them to reference 3.3.8 (WCAG 2.2) double AA. they should be able to reach AAA (3.3.9) 15:19:42 PaulG: 2.2.5 is AAA* 15:20:18 Lionel: We respectfully suggest that the Web Identity Credential Working Group Charter add to the list of W3C Groups the APA-WG. 15:20:27 ... Justification: We seek to ensure that accessibility is kept front of mind, as authentication timing and the reliance on short term memory are known and thorny topics for people with disabilities; 15:20:33 ... APA can represent these issues that have been raised in COGA and AGWG 15:20:48 ... We'd like them to at minimum to reach 3.3.8 WCAG Authentication criteria 15:21:00 ... and ideally to reach the 2.2.5 AAA requirement 15:21:11 ... [thanks to Paul for those WCAG citations] 15:21:34 ... 3.3.9 is also relevant to the solving of puzzles, another challenge to COGA 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 matatk: do we support the above statement? 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:13 +1 15:24:32 +1 15:24:32 +1 15:24:53 Leandro__: do we need to type anything in IRC to be noted as present? 15:25:03 present+ 15:26:13 zakim, next item 15:26:13 agendum 3 -- Prospects for APA Face to Face Around CSUN? -- taken up [from matatk] 15:26:13 rrsagent, make minutes 15:26:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/06-apa-minutes.html matatk 15:26:50 matatk: need to ask in our TFs so we can make plans. will there be enough of us at CSUN to warrant getting a room to do APA work in? 15:29:33 I won't go 15:29:43 matatk: it appears that there is interest but most members on the call cannot confirm just yet 15:29:53 zakim, next item 15:29:53 agendum 4 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk] 15:30:37 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9398 15:30:38 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9398 -> Issue 9398 [css-zoom?] Zoom and CSSOM (by emilio) 15:30:53 PaulG: there was a draft/statement on Zoom I'm trying to understand. (Zoom as in the CSS property.) Has to do with how position is calculated through API 15:31:29 PaulG: gist is that they wanted to be more accurate. need some time to look into it further 15:32:03 PaulG: complicated to think about. they want consistency throughout APIs. the handling is different depending on browser. they're choosing the non-zoomed positions to be reported by the API. 15:32:12 q+ 15:32:23 ack mat 15:33:00 matatk: it does make sense to me but I assume that zoom is applied equally all over the page. it's not like zooming is going to change relative proportions. 15:33:09 matatk: would like to see a demo to more fully understand 15:33:35 PaulG: it affects the transform Scalable of a page. can have something on regular and 2.5 zoom adjacent to each other 15:35:02 PaulG: could be simply a caveat as to how it could be used. lots to consider. 15:35:22 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6026 15:35:23 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6026 -> Issue 6026 [css-values] Use of 100vw is causing pointless horizontal scrollbars on some websites (by simevidas) [css-values-3] [Agenda+] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG Resolution] [css-values-4] [Needs Edits] 15:36:26 PaulG: usage of 100% width causes scroll bars to appear in some websites. all about scroll bars and how much space they take up. can be very difficult to implement consistently. gutter width will be preserved from 100p width in certain configurations. 15:36:49 PaulG: scroll bar gutter. there's stable and stable Both. in these cases 100p will go 100% of the width minus the scrollbar 15:37:50 matatk: earlier in web, scroll bars were opaque. nowadays, scroll bars can be transparent since some of the site is being rendered underneath the scroll bar 15:39:22 matatk: to me, this seems clearer than the zoom property. I'm curious about how zoom is going to work 15:40:31 PaulG: not seen as a hindrance for a11y at this point 15:40:36 zakim, next item 15:40:36 agendum 5 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk] 15:41:04 matatk: any open actions to declare? 15:41:51 matatk: the stated timelines for pronunciation need to be extended because CR was hoped for by end of year 15:43:06 Roy: if there is a resolution from the TF about the timeline, can adjust accordingly for next charter 15:43:43 matatk: will support reaching a new reasonable timeline. as Roy says, the update can then be made 15:46:02 IrfanAli has joined #apa 15:46:02 matatk: do want to address ASAP and provide feedback quickly also 15:46:02 zakim, next item 15:46:02 agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk] 15:46:06 zakim, close this item 15:46:06 agendum 6 closed 15:46:08 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:46:08 7. Other Business [from matatk] 15:46:11 zakim, next item 15:46:11 agendum 7 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk] 15:46:24 matatk: intros for Leandro__ 15:47:37 I need to drop. 15:54:50 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:54:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/06-apa-minutes.html Roy 15:56:17 zakim, bye 15:56:17 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been matatk, IrfanAli, janina, Roy, PaulG, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger, Fredrik, niklasegger, Leandro__ 15:56:17 Zakim has left #apa 16:00:36 janina has left #apa 16:00:41 janina has joined #apa 16:01:03 janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 13 December at 1500Z 16:01:15 zakim, who's here? 16:01:21 zakim, who's here? 16:09:05 janina has left #apa