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12:59:51 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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13:03:35 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Mahda_Noura
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13:06:34 <cris_> mc: no new members
13:06:39 <cris_> topic: Minutes
13:06:46 <cris_> mc: reviewed in the chair call
13:06:53 <cris_> ... any objections for publishing?
13:06:56 <kaz> i/no new members/scribenick: cris_/
13:07:04 <cris_> ... ok then they will be published
13:07:10 <kaz> i/no new members/topic: Guests, New Members/
13:07:18 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#29_November_2023
13:07:20 <cris_> topic: quick updates
13:07:37 <kaz> q+
13:07:39 <Dezell> Present+ David_Ezell
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13:08:25 <cris_> mc: we participated at XXX, kaz and sebastian were there
13:08:40 <cris_> kaz: we presented WoT and smart cities
13:08:58 <cris_> mc: someone from things was there, we met before
13:09:10 <cris_> kaz: we will meet once again in the future
13:09:39 <kaz> s|participated at XXX|joined the meeting of the "Nordic Chapter Smart City / Web of Things CG"|
13:09:42 <kaz> ack k
13:09:43 <kaz> q+
13:09:52 <cris_> mk: horizontal platforms for different domains, they are dealing with a lot of diverse protocols
13:10:04 <cris_> ... they are pretty good in agreeing
13:10:17 <cris_> ... and came up with useful solutions
13:10:26 <cris_> mc: yeah for smart cities that is a plus
13:10:48 <cris_> kaz: we should be clear about the relationship between their own work and W3C outputs
13:11:57 <kaz> s/W3C outputs/WoT WG's work/
13:11:58 <kaz> q+
13:12:12 <kaz> q-
13:12:16 <kaz> q+
13:12:30 <cris_> mc: fiware and ngsild come up again. we should keep an eye on them going forward
13:12:39 <cris_> ... we will bump into that
13:12:54 <kaz> q?
13:12:54 <cris_> mk: RDF* is similar to NGSI-LD ?
13:12:59 <cris_> mc: yeah
13:13:04 <kaz> s/RDF*/RDF-STAR/
13:13:15 <cris_> ... RDF* is important going forward but the tooling is not quite there yet
13:13:22 <cris_> ... fiware is important too
13:13:29 <cris_> ... we should find a way to fit in
13:13:33 <mahda-noura> q+
13:14:10 <cris_> kaz: I agree, with the conclusion but fiware discussion is something else.
13:14:32 <cris_> ... it is duty of W3C as whole to understand how to relate to that.
13:15:19 <kaz> s/WG's work/WG's work. @@@/
13:15:27 <mahda-noura> q-
13:15:36 <kaz> s/related to that/related to that@@@/
13:15:48 <cris_> mc: also RDF canonicalization is soon to happen
13:15:58 <cris_> topic: meeting schedule
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13:16:10 <kaz> s/agree/agree with the conclusion we need clarification/
13:16:20 <cris_> mc: we updated the calendar we will have a holiday break
13:16:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:16:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:16:45 <cris_> ... first 2024 meeting will be the 10 of Jan
13:18:01 <cris_> ... also we have a doodle for TD/binding call
13:18:14 <kaz> chair: McCool, Koster, Sebastian
13:18:23 <cris_> ege: it will stay open till next Tuesday
13:18:30 <kaz> i|reviewed in the|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html Nov-22|
13:18:35 <cris_> ... then we will publish the results in the next main call
13:18:52 <kaz> i|we joined the|subtopic: Nordic Chapter CG|
13:18:58 <Ege> q+
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13:19:10 <kaz> ack k
13:19:18 <cris_> topic: policies
13:19:38 <cris_> ege: are the merged policies in place?
13:19:51 <cris_> mc: do we move the polices we approve in the right directory?
13:19:52 <kaz> s/updated the calendar/updated the schedule.md/
13:19:55 <cris_> seb: I think so
13:20:13 <cris_> mc: we should double check if we cleaned up the draft
13:20:26 <cris_> ... once the policy is in the right directory is active immediately
13:20:50 <cris_> ege: async decision is active?
13:20:52 <Ege> ack e
13:21:07 <cris_> seb: media policy was merged
13:21:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:21:41 <cris_> mc: readme is not updated
13:21:47 <cris_> ... async is active
13:22:00 <dape> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:22:11 <cris_> topic: recommendations
13:22:42 <cris_> mc: we had REC transition request . We need to update the expression of assertion 148
13:22:48 <cris_> ... I'll take care of this
13:22:55 <cris_> ... and keep it in sync with discovery
13:23:00 <cris_> ... I also fix links
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13:23:18 <cris_> s/I also fix links/I'll also fix links/
13:23:24 <kaz> i|we updated the s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|
13:23:56 <kaz> q+
13:24:07 <cris_> topic: resources and links of ontologies and schemas
13:24:10 <cris_> mc: any updates?
13:24:43 <cris_> kaz: we need to work on some details but we are progressing to the desired state.
13:25:07 <cris_> mc: problem is that I can't finish the DID issue until we published the resources
13:26:03 <kaz> s/resources/resources with the final namespace URI/
13:26:09 <kaz> ack k
13:26:30 <cris_> topic: press release
13:26:46 <kaz> s/details/details, e.g., HTML fix, Implementation Report fix and Namespace URI redirection./
13:26:46 <cris_> mc: accepted VE3
13:27:07 <cris_> ... we have new testimonial from Fujitsu
13:27:19 <cris_> ... sebastian will share the last version and we can give the approval
13:28:05 <cris_> seb: as said we have a new testimonial
13:28:08 <kaz> q+
13:28:22 <cris_> mc: we don't have it as a testimonial in the company list
13:28:29 <cris_> seb: already mentioned in the comments
13:28:55 <kaz> s/company list/company list link at the top/
13:29:01 <cris_> ... we can freeze the press release and use it for official publication
13:29:06 <cris_> mc: any comments/objections?
13:29:41 <cris_> kaz: we can review the text again to make sure, but basically press release is in charge of the W3C comm team
13:29:50 <cris_> ... if we are ok with the draft we are fine
13:30:04 <cris_> mc: exactly we don't need a resolution for this
13:30:11 <cris_> kaz: yeah it is a collaboration process
13:30:28 <cris_> ... yes we don't need resolution.
13:30:45 <cris_> topic: meetups
13:30:55 <kaz> s/press release is in charge of the W3C comm team/press release is published by the W3C as a whole, and the MarComm Team is in charge of that./
13:31:11 <cris_> mc: CG is going to have a home assistant meetup?
13:31:13 <cris_> ege: no
13:31:33 <cris_> ege: we have a new meetup the next 12
13:31:44 <cris_> ... it is about industry ontology that is using WoT
13:31:52 <cris_> ... I'll create the calendar event
13:32:08 <kaz> s/if we are ok with the draft we are fine/So if there is any problem with the latest draft, we need to explicitly transfer that to the MarComm Team. On the other hand, if the draft is OK by us, that's fine./
13:32:24 <cris_> ... about home assistant we are working on it. Josh is taking care of it. Next monday we'll talk about it in the internal event.
13:32:30 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0b0a4962-9dba-4213-903a-582509710914/20231204T170000/
13:32:43 <cris_> mc: it is not clear if the meeting is reserved to chairs or to whole group
13:32:54 <cris_> mc: can you call member meeting?
13:33:09 <kaz> s/yeah it is a collaboration process/right. collaborative work like this is helpful and useful always, though :)/
13:33:17 <cris_> ege: after opc-ua call
13:33:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:33:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:33:31 <cris_> mc: any other meetings?
13:33:31 <cris_> ege: now
13:33:35 <cris_> s/now/no/
13:34:49 <dape> q+
13:34:56 <kaz> ack k
13:34:56 <cris_> mc: we need to figure out how to set the next Nordic meetup
13:35:07 <cris_> dape: we can talk about cancelling Scripting
13:35:20 <cris_> ... let's talk about this next monday
13:35:29 <cris_> mc: discovery is not super active too right now
13:35:31 <kaz> q+
13:35:34 <kaz> ack d
13:35:49 <cris_> ... in general we should figure out better solutions even though this happens once a month
13:36:03 <kaz> ack k
13:36:05 <cris_> kaz: we can make an intial decision right now
13:36:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:36:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:36:50 <kaz> i|are the merged po|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/policies policies area|
13:36:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:36:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:37:19 <kaz> i|we had REC tra|-> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/579 REC transition request|
13:37:27 <kaz> s/we had REC/we have REC/
13:37:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:37:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:37:54 <kaz> s/redirection. but/redirection, but/
13:38:00 <cris_> topic: TF reports
13:38:07 <cris_> mc: any updates ?
13:38:08 <kaz> q+
13:38:12 <Ege> q+
13:38:29 <kaz> ack k
13:38:42 <cris_> ege: yeah we actually a good insights from marketing call
13:38:48 <cris_> ... there is more attendance
13:38:52 <Ege> https://github.com/topics/web-of-things
13:38:59 <cris_> ... github topic is also done
13:39:12 <cris_> ... if you want to change it let us know
13:39:35 <kaz> q+
13:39:36 <cris_> ... we can iterate if needed
13:40:02 <cris_> kaz: I gave some comment about this probably webXR is different from WoT
13:40:24 <cris_> ... if we use that topic name it will include
13:40:32 <cris_> ... other wot works non-really related
13:40:44 <cris_> ege: it is impossible to regulate
13:41:06 <cris_> ... the ones that are using wot is listed in our page
13:41:21 <cris_> kaz: we should have waited for Coralie
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13:41:25 <cris_> ... for her advice
13:41:38 <cris_> mc: did you talk with Coralie
13:41:47 <cris_> ege: we sent email but she didn't replay
13:41:52 <cris_> kaz: can we close it?
13:42:35 <cris_> mc: as written it talks only about w3c wot but the tag does not include this
13:42:47 <cris_> ege: others don't seem to use it
13:42:54 <kaz> q?
13:43:11 <cris_> kaz: the existing topic are different
13:43:34 <Ege> ack
13:44:10 <cris_> mc: lets' follow up with Coralie
13:44:10 <Ege> q?
13:44:12 <Ege> ack e
13:44:16 <kaz> ack k
13:44:20 <cris_> kaz: I'm not against it
13:44:48 <kaz> s/it/it but have been suggesting we get Coralie's advice first before opening this./
13:45:12 <cris_> topic: IG charter
13:47:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:47:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:47:26 <cris_> mk: we will focus on two issues
13:47:36 <cris_> ... use cases and requirements section
13:47:55 <cris_> ... plug fest and testing
13:48:07 <cris_> ... and as third point is best practices
13:48:29 <cris_> mc: we don't have an issue for defining relations with CG
13:48:49 <cris_> mk: there is some overlaps in the use cases and requirements section
13:49:36 <cris_> mk: is there anything we are missing?
13:50:20 <cris_> mk: we have a section dedicated to relationships with other groups in the scope issue (#122)
13:50:31 <cris_> ... testing and plugfest
13:50:37 <kaz> i|we will focus o|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-ig-2023-draft.html Draft IG Charter|
13:50:52 <cris_> ... one of them is more validation of the assertions in the spec
13:50:58 <cris_> ... the other is more exploratory
13:51:02 <cris_> ... new feature get tested
13:51:27 <cris_> s/new feature/new features/
13:51:34 <cris_> mc: the plugfest is an event
13:51:35 <Ege> q+
13:51:47 <cris_> ... testing is about validating assertions and produce the report
13:52:07 <cris_> ... one of the outcome of a plugfest is plugfest
13:52:16 <kaz> i|we don't have an issue|subtopic: Scope|
13:52:44 <cris_> s/one of the outcome of a plugfest is plugfest/one of the outcome of a plugfest could be a test report/
13:52:59 <cris_> ... wg should be resposible of managing the reports
13:53:13 <cris_> mk: exactly and the other groups can submit
13:53:30 <cris_> mc: it is better to collect test data over time
13:53:31 <kaz> i|we don't have an issue|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/122 Issue 122 - IG Charter 2023: Update scope|
13:53:41 <cris_> ... we should clarify the process of collecting test results
13:53:46 <cris_> ... it is fair to say
13:54:04 <kaz> q+
13:54:15 <cris_> ... IG or CG can organize events for facilitate the collection from a wider audience
13:54:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:54:30 <cris_> ege: in this PR form the CG
13:54:58 <cris_> ... we have a proposal for how plugfest can be organized by the CG
13:55:58 <cris_> ege: the testing activity was assigned by the test taskforce, but it can pull TDs from other sources
13:56:15 <cris_> mc: testing task force should be more about organizing tooling
13:57:18 <cris_> ... the repo can be maintained outside the WG and we can pull the results from the outside
13:57:23 <kaz> q?
13:58:01 <cris_> ege: WG decide the mechanism and CG just need to comply
13:58:09 <cris_> cris: +1
13:58:47 <kaz> ack e
13:58:47 <cris_> mk: the test events can be organized by IG or CG and the test results can be submitted by both groups
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14:00:28 <kaz> q?
14:00:39 <cris_> mc: ok meeting closed
14:00:43 <cris_> [adjourned]
14:01:08 <cris_> kaz: I'm ok with the direction
14:01:44 <cris_> ... we should detail more the single responsabilities of each group.
14:01:59 <cris_> ... not only the PRs in each repository, we should work together
14:02:06 <cris_> ... we should have one file
14:03:19 <cris_> mc: we need a simplier document
14:03:19 <cris_> ege: ok not in the CG repository
14:03:19 <cris_> kaz: wot repository
14:03:25 <cris_> cris: I would keep CG document as it is
14:03:41 <cris_> kaz: we need one for WoT too
14:03:52 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
14:03:59 <cris_> mc: ok take kaz's feedback
14:04:04 <kaz> s/WoT/WoT IG/
14:04:10 <cris_> ... and incorporate it
14:04:28 <dape> q?
14:04:34 <kaz> q-
14:04:35 <kaz> q+
14:04:59 <kaz> ack k
14:05:37 <cris_> mk: aob ?
14:05:44 <cris_> ... none
14:05:48 <cris_> [adjourned]
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