IRC log of apa on 2023-11-29

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 29 Nov 2023
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Chair: Janina
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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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agenda+ Compute Pressure AC Draft https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Nov/0012.html
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ be done
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agenda?
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present+
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present+
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scribe+
15:04:48 [janina]
present+
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present+
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present+
15:05:23 [matatk]
zakim, drop item 2
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agendum 2, New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22, dropped
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zakim, drop item 3
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agendum 3, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
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zakim, drop item 4
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agendum 4, Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues, dropped
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zakim, drop item 5
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agendum 5, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
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agenda?
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scribe+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: mike_begaenyi, matatk, janina, Roy, Fazio
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On IRC I see Leandro, kirkwood, mike_begaenyi, matatk, Roy, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, duga, janina, slightlyoff, gb, joraboi445, M2cshkpcgrp, sonicscrewdriver, gonzu_15, imlostlmao,
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... Rachael, cwilso, tink, ada, jcraig, agendabot
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janina: Welcome Leandro! We are very glad to have you in the group, and on the call.
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*introductions*
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present+
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paul sent regrets
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regrets+ PaulG
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html matatk
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zakim, drop item 6
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agendum 6, CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues, dropped
15:11:52 [matatk]
janina: Reminder that we will meet on the 20th of December (but not the 2 weeks after).
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Fazio: Maturity Model TF will mirror APA's schedule.
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janina: Great work there - final draft some time next year.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7 -- Compute Pressure AC Draft https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Nov/0012.html -- taken up [from janina]
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matatk: accessibility considerations, API spec - affects a11y, positive effects possible, rather than harmful
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q+ to suggest RTC should first block video, but not audio on packet overload
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matatk: RTC - use case, streaming video, decisions need to be good for a11y. Ex - high load, need to drop stream, don't drop captioned stream
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matatk: pin streams that are accessible, doesn't leak personal info, just notifies system
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matatk: UI needs to be accessible, graphical load info needs to be more than just color coded
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matatk: High load warning, neds to be accessible alert
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q?
15:20:59 [Fazio]
matatk: CFC for 1 week needs to go out. Any show stopper feredback
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feedback
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matatk: provide resources
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q+
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How To Make Content Usable Doc
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WCAG 2.1 has SC's to cover this
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ack ja
15:24:20 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to suggest RTC should first block video, but not audio on packet overload
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+1 janina
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accessibility features
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Preserve a11y
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media queries can be used
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Is this an a11y issue or a common sense issue?
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janina: it's sociologically a11y
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matatk: cause of problem lack of packets, or CPU power?
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scribe+ matatk
15:33:21 [janina]
q?
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Fazio: we need to define accessibility in the context of the spec
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+1 janina
15:34:36 [matatk]
Fazio: +1 to adding the example of dropping video before audio
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mike_begaenyi: +1 also
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+1
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matatk: add this new example then send out CFC
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janina: RTC agent may need tweak to have video no audio
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media queries
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matatk: API just CPU load not network conditions, not just for video streaming
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It's a compound effect
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Q+
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q+
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ack df
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ack faz
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present+
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notification alert is needed
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q+
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q?
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ack lea
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ack faz
15:43:29 [matatk]
Fazio: These are effects that haven't been considered, so they should update the spec or refer to other specs that are related.
15:43:43 [matatk]
Fazio: Notifications would be needed if the video drops, as Leandro mentioned.
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matatk: this spec may not be appropriate
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matatk: focus on dropping video streams doesn't seem related enough
15:45:42 [janina]
q+
15:45:58 [Fazio]
too much focus on video example, concerned we will overwhelm them
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matatk: what is missing from comment?
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janina: convinced that RTC comments are accurate. Compute pressure, intelligent resource management
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janina: intelligent resource management is different for different examples
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case and point preserve a11y resources at all costs - Fazio
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=1 janina
15:48:53 [matatk]
Fazio: +1 to janina - preserve a11y
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matatk: for games - 4D, mobile low power, simplify assets necessary, low resolution assets could take over - non a11y example
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matatk: submit comment now, update later
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Fazio: Content Usable covers some of this stuff (as does WCAG)
15:55:17 [Fredrik]
Every AUR on the hour.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html matatk
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been mike_begaenyi, matatk, janina, Roy, Fazio, Leandro, Fredrik
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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