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13:50:09 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:50:23 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:50:29 <janina> Date: 29 Nov 2023
13:50:31 <janina> Chair:  Janina
13:50:31 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:50:31 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:50:35 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:50:38 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:50:40 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:50:43 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:50:45 <janina> agenda+ Compute Pressure AC Draft https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Nov/0012.html
13:50:48 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:50:51 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:50:53 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:50:56 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:51:23 <janina>  /join #rqtf
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15:03:41 <matatk> agenda?
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15:04:45 <mike_begaenyi> present+
15:04:45 <matatk> present+
15:04:48 <matatk> scribe+
15:04:48 <janina> present+
15:04:50 <Roy> present+
15:04:53 <Fazio> present+
15:05:23 <matatk> zakim, drop item 2
15:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 2, New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22, dropped
15:05:25 <matatk> zakim, drop item 3
15:05:25 <Zakim> agendum 3, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
15:05:27 <matatk> zakim, drop item 4
15:05:28 <Zakim> agendum 4, Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues, dropped
15:05:29 <matatk> zakim, drop item 5
15:05:29 <Zakim> agendum 5, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
15:05:31 <matatk> agenda?
15:05:42 <Fazio> scribe+
15:06:13 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:06:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:18 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:06:19 <Zakim> Present: mike_begaenyi, matatk, janina, Roy, Fazio
15:06:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Leandro, kirkwood, mike_begaenyi, matatk, Roy, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, duga, janina, slightlyoff, gb, joraboi445, M2cshkpcgrp, sonicscrewdriver, gonzu_15, imlostlmao,
15:06:20 <Zakim> ... Rachael, cwilso, tink, ada, jcraig, agendabot
15:06:57 <matatk> janina: Welcome Leandro! We are very glad to have you in the group, and on the call.
15:07:01 <matatk> *introductions*
15:07:37 <Leandro> present+
15:09:55 <Fazio> paul sent regrets
15:10:07 <matatk> regrets+ PaulG
15:10:14 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:10:31 <matatk> zakim, drop item 6
15:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 6, CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues, dropped
15:11:52 <matatk> janina: Reminder that we will meet on the 20th of December (but not the 2 weeks after).
15:12:08 <matatk> Fazio: Maturity Model TF will mirror APA's schedule.
15:12:18 <matatk> janina: Great work there - final draft some time next year.
15:12:23 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:12:23 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Compute Pressure AC Draft https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Nov/0012.html -- taken up [from janina]
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15:17:39 <Fazio> matatk: accessibility considerations, API spec - affects a11y, positive effects possible, rather than harmful
15:18:14 <janina> q+ to suggest RTC should first block video, but not audio on packet overload
15:18:38 <Fazio> matatk: RTC - use case, streaming video, decisions need to be good for a11y. Ex - high load, need to drop stream, don't drop captioned stream
15:19:25 <Fazio> matatk: pin streams that are accessible, doesn't leak personal info, just notifies system
15:20:05 <Fazio> matatk: UI needs to be accessible, graphical load info needs to be more than just color coded
15:20:24 <Fazio> matatk: High load warning, neds to be accessible alert
15:20:45 <janina> q?
15:20:59 <Fazio> matatk: CFC for 1 week needs to go out. Any show stopper feredback
15:21:04 <Fazio> feedback
15:22:27 <Fazio> matatk: provide resources
15:22:42 <Fazio> q+
15:23:09 <Fazio> How To Make Content Usable Doc
15:23:25 <Fazio> WCAG 2.1 has SC's to cover this
15:24:20 <janina> ack ja
15:24:20 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to suggest RTC should first block video, but not audio on packet overload
15:24:21 <Fazio> +1 janina
15:25:06 <Fazio> accessibility features
15:25:47 <Fazio> Preserve a11y
15:26:18 <Fazio> media queries can be used
15:30:22 <Fazio> Is this an a11y issue or a common sense issue?
15:30:38 <Fazio> janina: it's sociologically a11y
15:31:41 <Fazio> matatk: cause of problem lack of packets, or CPU power?
15:33:18 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:33:21 <janina> q?
15:34:13 <matatk> Fazio: we need to define accessibility in the context of the spec
15:34:29 <Fazio> +1 janina
15:34:36 <matatk> Fazio: +1 to adding the example of dropping video before audio
15:34:44 <matatk> mike_begaenyi: +1 also
15:36:27 <Leandro> +1
15:36:28 <Fazio> matatk: add this new example then send out CFC
15:37:20 <Fazio> janina: RTC agent may need tweak to have video no audio
15:37:39 <Fazio> media queries
15:38:38 <Fazio> matatk: API just CPU load not network conditions, not just for video streaming
15:39:03 <Fazio> It's a compound effect
15:39:10 <Fazio> Q+
15:39:13 <Leandro> q+
15:39:30 <janina> ack df
15:39:35 <janina> ack faz
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15:39:49 <Fredrik> present+
15:40:42 <Fazio> notification alert is needed
15:41:22 <Fazio> q+
15:42:12 <janina> q?
15:42:17 <janina> ack lea
15:43:11 <janina> ack faz
15:43:29 <matatk> Fazio: These are effects that haven't been considered, so they should update the spec or refer to other specs that are related.
15:43:43 <matatk> Fazio: Notifications would be needed if the video drops, as Leandro mentioned.
15:44:47 <Fazio> matatk: this spec may not be appropriate
15:45:16 <Fazio> matatk: focus on dropping video streams doesn't seem related enough
15:45:42 <janina> q+
15:45:58 <Fazio> too much focus on video example, concerned we will overwhelm them
15:46:29 <Fazio> matatk: what is missing from comment?
15:47:26 <Fazio> janina: convinced that RTC comments are accurate. Compute pressure, intelligent resource management
15:47:50 <Fazio> janina:  intelligent resource management is different for different examples
15:48:10 <Fazio> case and point preserve a11y resources at all costs - Fazio
15:48:52 <Fazio> =1 janina
15:48:53 <matatk> Fazio: +1 to janina - preserve a11y
15:50:45 <Fazio> matatk:  for games - 4D, mobile low power, simplify assets necessary, low resolution assets could take over - non a11y example
15:51:47 <Fazio> matatk: submit comment now, update later
15:52:43 <matatk> Fazio: Content Usable covers some of this stuff (as does WCAG)
15:55:17 <Fredrik> Every AUR on the hour.
15:56:02 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:56:33 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
15:56:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mike_begaenyi, matatk, janina, Roy, Fazio, Leandro, Fredrik
15:56:35 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:56:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:56:41 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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