IRC log of ixml on 2023-11-28

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Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group

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Chair: Steven

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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/10/17-ixml-minutes

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Nov/0015.html

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Topic: Pervious Actions

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Present: Steven, Michael, Bethan, Norm, John

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https://www.w3.org/2023/11/28-ixml-irc

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Michael: 2023-01-10-b: Michael to take another pass on the EBNF to BNF document. COMPLETED

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2023-01-10-f: Norm and Michael to do a bit of revision to improve the draft documentation of the XML vINUEDcabulary (see #137) for further discussion. - CONTU

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2023-10-03-a: Norm to create tests for renaming DONE 23 October 2023

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2023-10-03-a: Norm to create tests for renaming DONE 23 October 2023

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Norm close issue 197 without changes DONE 4 October 2023.

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2023-10-03-d: Michael draft a FAQ, to include discussion of Unicode non-characters and non-Unicode characters Done.

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2023-10-17-a: SP to document the modified IRI/URI grammar to make clearer why you might want it / need it, in preference to the literal transcription of the grammars in the RFCs. Mostly Done -Steven

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2023-10-17-b: SP to draft proposed addition to section 3.3 saying explicitly that nonterminals are case-sensitive. DONE - needs discussion

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ACTION: Steven to add the sentence to the spec.

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2023-10-17-c: NTW to do some experiments with dynamic CSS, to see if we can turn section numbers on and off. DONE - posted link to version

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2023-10-17-d: SP to make each heading hyperlink to the section it heads (on the model of the XSLT spec). - DONE

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2023-10-17-e: SP to develop tests to detect version of Unicode supported. DONE - added to my Michael

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2023-10-17-f: MSM to find the tests which currently provide different results based on version of Unicode supported, and send SP a pointer to them. Done.

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2023-10-17-g: NTW to develop proposal for #192 (Line endings) with a menu of choices Done.

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Topic: Status reports

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John: Exploring full-length string matching

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Norm: Experimental version 4 being worked on.

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Steven: Working on leading empty item bug revealed by Michael's Unicode work.

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Topic: Publication Plans

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ACTION: Steven as group chair has to ask W3C to publish the report

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Topic: Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues

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Michael: Pull request #207 Test of Renaming facility - agreed to merge

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Michael: Pull request #211 A linear a-star test catalog and data

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Norm: 3000 files a bit big! - Linear rather than exponential intervals

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If you want to see my graphs, they're in here: https://so.nwalsh.com/2023/11/05-faster

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RESOLVED: This pull request should be merged

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Pull request #212 Tweak Unicode tests, add version detector - Michael/Norm to resolve merge conflict

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Pull request #218 Small test catalog update (Norm) - Allows multiple grammar-result elements in a test-set-results element (needed for processors with support for multiple Unicode versions or other reasons for multiple results). Agreed to merge

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Pull request #214 Oberon-based performance tests (Michael) - agreed to merge

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Pull request #215 XSLT to make Bash script from catalog (Michael) - agreed as a useful tool. Agreed to merge (free of charge!)

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Pull request #216 ixml grammars for performance testing (Michael) - more real-world cases. (Intended to act as a good basis for comparing various rewrite rules, etc.) . Agreed to merge

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Pull request #217 Performance tests using XPath (Michael) - reduced-tree grammar. Real-world XPath expressions. Agreed to merge

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Issue #198 Check that browsable test suite is being updated when tests are added (Norm) - Continue

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Pull request #204 Toggle section numbers (norm) - Continue

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Michael: Explanatory Documentation in the test catalog would be helpful - explaining what features of iXML and the target grammars are being exercised

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Michael: Description of EBNF to BNF translation - difficult to check format of the report without merging.

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Current EBNF to BNF document is at https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/master/misc/ebnf-to-bnf.md

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Agreed to merge this

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ACTION: Steven to review the EBNF to BNF document

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Pull request #204 Toggle section numbers (norm). Agrred to merge

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Issue #137 Document the XML tag set of ixml grammars (Norm & Michael) - Continue

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TOPIC: v.Next issues

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Issue #210 Extraneous material in section on Serialization

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ACTION: Norm to tidy 'Extraneous material in section on Serialization'

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S: A. .

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Some discussion about this subject - some thoughts about suggesting a name cannot/should not end with a '.' (Could be expressed in ixml)

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ACTION: Michael - write a proposal regarding Period in names

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Next Meeting: 12th December @1500 UTC

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Steven: Dutch government (and forces) using iXML

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s/(and forces)/armed forces/

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XSLTFOrms is adding ixml to its front end

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fn:invisble-ixml() added to QT4 work

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