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11:51:33 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), xiaoqian
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11:51:33 <xiaoqian> meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Monthly TeleConf
11:51:36 <xiaoqian> chair: martin
11:51:39 <xiaoqian> scribe: xiaoqian
11:51:54 <xiaoqian> agenda?
11:52:30 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Practical info
11:52:39 <xiaoqian> agenda+ MiniApp WG Re-charter
11:52:48 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Lifecycle - (open issues)
11:52:55 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Manifest
11:53:05 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Packaging - security improvements
11:53:11 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Addressing
11:53:18 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Widget
11:53:25 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Community Group updates in the charter
11:53:29 <xiaoqian> agenda+ AOB
12:01:34 <xiaoqian> present+ xiaoqian, martin, DanZhou
12:04:55 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Practical info -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:05:53 <xiaoqian> martin: news, Zitao moved to another department, so I'll take over his role
12:06:41 <xiaoqian> ... we are expecting more support soon
12:10:34 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:10:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
12:10:35 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:10:35 <Zakim> 2. MiniApp WG Re-charter [from xiaoqian]
12:10:38 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- MiniApp WG Re-charter -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:11:21 <xiaoqian> the 2023 charter -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/miniapps-wg-charter.html
12:12:05 <xiaoqian> martin: the new charter is approved, some changes in the scope and deliverables
12:12:14 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: members need to rejoin
12:12:36 <xiaoqian> Dan: sure, we will rejoin
12:12:57 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:12:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
12:12:58 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:12:58 <Zakim> 3. Lifecycle - (open issues) [from xiaoqian]
12:13:03 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:13:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Lifecycle - (open issues) -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:13:14 <xiaoqian> martin: regrets from AnQing
12:14:04 <xiaoqian> ... not much update
12:14:17 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: we are hiring a new Web Sec expert
12:14:42 <xiaoqian> ... perhaps it's worthy to wait for 1-2 month to get a proper review before moving to CR
12:15:02 <xiaoqian> ... QingAn already finished the Sec & Privacy questionaire
12:15:08 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:15:08 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
12:15:09 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:15:09 <Zakim> 4. Manifest [from xiaoqian]
12:15:14 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:15:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Manifest -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:15:26 <xiaoqian> martin: thank you for reviewing my pull request
12:15:48 <xiaoqian> ... another issue, suggested by tomayac
12:15:54 <xiaoqian> ... about Permission
12:16:25 <xiaoqian> -> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/57
12:17:18 <xiaoqian> ... to align "req_permissions"
12:17:36 <xiaoqian> ... I put here a proposal
12:17:57 <xiaoqian> ... in the current spec, we don't recommend another solution
12:18:16 <xiaoqian> ... in the new proposal, we can include some new terms
12:18:41 <xiaoqian> ... please let me know if you have comments after discussing with your colleagues
12:18:57 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: is this a similar spec in W3C?
12:19:18 <xiaoqian> martin: yes, this comes from a few WGs
12:19:33 <xiaoqian> ... f.ex, Geolocation API comes from the DAS WG
12:20:09 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: is there any declaration in WebApps?
12:20:34 <xiaoqian> martin: yes, it's under discussion, I attended a meeting during TPAC
12:20:44 <xiaoqian> ... about Isolation WebApps
12:21:01 <xiaoqian> ... not sure if there is any conclusion
12:21:38 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: this is new to MiniApps, our current implementation is quite different
12:21:58 <xiaoqian> ... so quite a change
12:22:18 <xiaoqian> martin: it's included in the existing document, it's optional
12:22:30 <xiaoqian> ... it's not a major concern
12:22:58 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: I can see the pos and cons
12:23:22 <xiaoqian> s/pos/pros
12:23:49 <xiaoqian> ... it worths further discussion
12:24:09 <xiaoqian> martin: please open a new issue, I'd be glad to follow up
12:24:17 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:24:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
12:24:18 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:24:18 <Zakim> 5. Packaging - security improvements [from xiaoqian]
12:24:21 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:24:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Packaging - security improvements -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:24:53 <xiaoqian> martin: I already shared with you the proposed solution for the TAG feedback
12:25:05 <xiaoqian> ... would like to continue the discussion with the TAG
12:25:15 <xiaoqian> ... they asked for more examples and use cases
12:25:34 <xiaoqian> ... this is something I tried to summary the situation
12:26:33 <xiaoqian> ... please comment on this issue, and let me know if there is anything else we should do
12:28:10 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: I'll need more time to review the change
12:29:09 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: we can also call for comments in the Dev community
12:29:53 <xiaoqian> martin: yes, please do, security is important for the MiniApps specs
12:30:10 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:30:10 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
12:30:11 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:30:11 <Zakim> 6. Addressing [from xiaoqian]
12:30:15 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:30:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Addressing -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:30:33 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: I saw you already approved the PR, so I merged it
12:30:53 <xiaoqian> martin: great, only editorial comments
12:31:01 <xiaoqian> DanZhou: thank you!
12:31:44 <xiaoqian> ... #9 can be closed already we merged the PR
12:32:00 <xiaoqian> ... same as #12
12:34:05 <xiaoqian> action: xiaoqian to work with martin and Dan to move Addressing to FPWD
12:35:08 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:35:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
12:35:09 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:35:09 <Zakim> 7. Widget [from xiaoqian]
12:35:28 <xiaoqian> zakim, next item
12:35:28 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Widget -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:35:51 <xiaoqian> martin: I'll see if there is some similar proposals internally
12:35:58 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:35:58 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
12:35:59 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:35:59 <Zakim> 8. Community Group updates in the charter [from xiaoqian]
12:36:05 <xiaoqian> zakim, next item
12:36:05 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Community Group updates in the charter -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:36:26 <xiaoqian> martin: xfq suggested we update the CG charter with the WG charter
12:36:51 <xiaoqian> ... I've a pull request to include some minor changes
12:37:20 <xiaoqian> ... the most important change is to include the components and the IOT proposals
12:38:10 <xiaoqian> ... please check the diffs
12:40:51 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:40:51 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
12:40:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
12:40:52 <Zakim> 9. AOB [from xiaoqian]
12:41:01 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:41:01 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- AOB -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:42:30 <xiaoqian> next meeting, 14 Dec, chair will be DanZhou
12:43:28 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
12:43:35 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make minutes
12:43:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/23-miniapp-minutes.html xiaoqian