12:55:34 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:55:38 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-irc 12:57:30 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:59:48 McCool has joined #wot 13:00:34 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:01:52 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:01:57 chair: McCool, Koster 13:02:05 rrsagent, make log public 13:02:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:02:35 Ege has joined #wot 13:02:44 ktoumura has joined #wot 13:03:15 present+ Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:04:25 mjk has joined #wot 13:04:42 luca_barbato has joined #wot 13:04:59 mahda-noura has joined #wot 13:05:20 dape has joined #wot 13:05:32 present+ Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura 13:05:39 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:05:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:06:02 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 13:06:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:07:28 topic: Minutes Review 13:07:55 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html Nov-15 13:08:26 mm: we had resolutions to transition to REC 13:08:32 ... we approved TPAC minutes 13:09:08 sebastian has joined #wot 13:09:54 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_November_2023 13:10:07 mm: Any objections? 13:10:10 mm: approved 13:10:16 topic: Quick Updates 13:10:32 mm: Smart Cities discussion with nordic chapter will be monday next week 13:10:56 q+ 13:11:48 ack e 13:11:49 q+ 13:12:13 -> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/dwkzgZrd Doodle to see new TD slots 13:12:51 cris_ has joined #wot 13:13:15 q? 13:13:20 ek: if you are interested in joining the TD call, please answer the td call 13:14:30 kaz: if we expect more people to the TD calls, we should contact them directly 13:14:54 mm: we should set a deadline for the inputs 13:15:07 s/directly/directly in addition to the doodle poll./ 13:15:35 q? 13:15:40 ack k 13:15:41 ack k 13:15:45 dezell has joined #wot 13:15:48 mm: mid december as last input and new slot can be effective as of january 13:15:55 present+ David_Ezell 13:16:08 topic: New Charter Organization 13:16:17 mm: we will discuss policies after this hour 13:16:30 mm: we should organize the project management ourselves 13:16:44 q+ 13:18:53 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 13:19:24 mm: we can talk about it in a separate call as well 13:19:53 ack k 13:19:59 ek: we have github project as one solution. We need to incorporate use cases, 100+ issues and make it something digestable 13:20:08 ... and not force something that people do not like 13:20:26 kaz: We should focus on the entire process and not on a specific tool 13:20:48 mm: I forgot to mention but yes, we need to think of the entire process 13:20:57 kaz: we need clarify what we mean by "Project Management" 13:21:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:21:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:21:43 mm: we should focus on such topics as small teams, not involve everyone at the same time 13:22:53 present+ Sebastian 13:23:01 chair+ Sebastian 13:23:06 present- Sebastian 13:23:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:23:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:23:33 ... so they can come up with an initial proposal 13:23:47 kaz: we should clarify that initial team, how to join it etc. 13:25:55 topic: Publications 13:25:55 q? 13:26:12 q+ 13:26:51 mm: We will have a discussion about resources 13:27:13 ack k 13:27:57 mm: but two points to be done 13:27:58 need to add description on the Changes from the previous Proposed REC version 13:27:58 need to update the URLs for the cross reference among the three specs within the Reference sections 13:28:07 kaz: second point can be done by me 13:28:15 ... but first point should be done by the Editors 13:28:19 mm: we can go over the diff quickly 13:28:22 i/but two/scribenick: kaz/ 13:28:56 i/we can go over/scribenick: Ege/ 13:29:03 kaz: I will do the URLs work 13:29:04 q+ 13:29:28 ack e 13:29:37 mm: I will do for discovery and architecture 13:30:14 q+ 13:30:45 mm: we will have a discussion on resources 13:31:02 ack k 13:31:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:31:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:31:34 i|we had resolutions to tran|scribenick: Ege| 13:31:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:31:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:31:58 s/to be done/to be done for the spec HTML/ 13:32:03 kaz: we do not need to change anything, PLH and Webmaster agreed on the current direction 13:32:16 mm: in that case, we can ignore that agenda item on resources discussion 13:33:32 q+ 13:34:14 mm: it would be good to have human readable versions of the ontologies 13:34:21 ack k 13:35:02 s/current direction/current direction. So I'm already working with the Webmaster to update the .htaccess files for 2019 resources and 2022 resources./ 13:35:30 mm: anythine else for the resources? 13:35:40 ek: we should document the process 13:36:06 i/we do not need/please go directly to the last line of the agenda to make the long story short. In short, we don't need/ 13:36:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:36:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:37:05 topic: Press Release 13:37:07 q+ 13:37:14 mm: we got a testimonial from a company called VE3 13:38:45 mm: we should not accept anymore 13:39:25 sk: we do not know how they have access to this document 13:41:11 mm: the content looks good assuming they are member 13:41:40 q- 13:41:41 q+ 13:42:06 mm: maybe he is a member but as a different company 13:42:39 mm: we have a separate case with Luca since he has two hats 13:43:00 ack k 13:43:33 i/we have/(kaz is asking the MarComm Team about that) 13:43:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:43:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:44:21 q+ 13:45:29 proposal: Accept VE3 additional testimonial to press release for WoT REC publication conditional upon confirmation that VE3 is a W3C member. 13:49:41 kaz: Do we need another resolution 13:49:53 mm: if we do a resolution now, we would have pre approved it 13:55:11 mm: I just want to ask whether the group is ok with this 13:57:32 sk: We want to do a resolution so that it is clarified for later on 13:57:48 kaz: we can get clarification from marcom first 13:57:59 s/can/should/ 13:58:01 mm: ok let's skip and delay by a week 13:59:10 q- 13:59:14 q| 13:59:17 q+ 13:59:37 topic: TPAC 14:00:20 s/TPAC/TPAC minutes/ 14:01:15 kaz: we need discussion on the joint cg session 14:02:15 s/we need discussion on the joint cg session/we already approved the minutes from our own WoT meeting day 1/day 2, but still need to clarify action items from the WoT CG joint meeting, e.g., the roles of groups./ 14:03:15 q+ 14:04:00 ack k 14:04:07 kaz: the minutes are fine but we should get the action items from this 14:06:03 proposal: approve minutes from CG/IG/WG joint call here: https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html 14:06:26 resolution: approve minutes from CG/IG/WG joint call here: https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html 14:07:25 @@@ to be removed later 14:07:26 resolution: approve minutes from CG/IG/WG joint call here: https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/Minutes/2023/2023_09_15-minutes.md 14:07:36 s/@@@/@@@ above two lines/ 14:08:18 [ 10min break ] 14:08:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:08:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:21:43 q+ 14:21:53 ack k 14:22:51 i|10 min|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/pull/93 initial bullet points on groups' roles| 14:22:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:22:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:23:00 scribenick; mjk 14:23:31 topic: policy discussion 14:24:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/Policy PRs with "Policy" label 14:24:41 sub-topic: review open PRs and issues 14:25:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1130 PR 1130 - [Policy] Move policy-adoption.md from "proposals" to "policies" 14:25:37 sub-topic: PR #1130 14:25:59 s/sub-topic: review open PRs and issues/subtopic: PR #1130/ 14:26:06 s/sub-topic: PR #1130// 14:26:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:26:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:26:48 seb: this policy is about adopting policies 14:27:00 ... describes the process for adopting policies 14:29:22 q+ 14:29:33 ... is there any discussion? 14:30:04 ack k 14:30:09 kaz: we already had a dedicated discussion some time ago and simplified this process considerably 14:30:22 mm: +1 on adopting this 14:30:33 s/considerably/considerably based on the Charter description/ 14:30:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:30:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:30:50 seb: we need to update the links 14:33:28 ... (fixed links in live edit) 14:33:40 ... any objections to merging? 14:33:59 ... merged 14:34:23 sub-topic: PR #1131 14:34:44 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1131 PR 1131 - [Policy] Move social-media.md from "proposals" to "policies" 14:35:44 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Marketing_WebConf 14:35:55 q+ 14:35:58 ege: we have already adopted this policy and are using it 14:37:05 ... it describes some rules for publication on social media 14:37:31 kaz: OK with this policy since it's already approved 14:37:55 ... but we need to think about another aspect, which platform to use 14:38:26 mm: suggest that we add a line requiring a group resolution to adopt a new platform 14:38:44 ... or to discontinue using a current platform 14:38:53 q+ 14:39:00 ack k 14:39:24 seb: (live edit to add the suggested rule) 14:40:20 kaz: also need to add new settings for using a platform, e.g. user name 14:40:55 mm: significant change to the use of a current platform 14:41:38 dape: change twitter to twitter/X in the document text 14:41:52 ack dape 14:42:28 seb: any objections to merging this PR and making this the policy? 14:42:45 ... or more comments/changes suggested? 14:43:39 ... merged 14:44:22 sub-topic: PR #1128 - Chairs decision process 14:44:42 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1128 14:45:15 mm: this includes a list of what can be decided by chairs 14:45:40 ... we can add to it when we encounter new situations 14:46:12 seb: it requires a majority decision process and explains how to handle absence of a chair 14:46:53 q+ 14:47:18 mm: the important point is 2 chairs are a quorum and can decide 14:48:12 kaz: we should move the voting part to the last point and describe an alternate voting process by email 14:48:29 mm: this is covered in the current policy 14:49:05 kaz: we should state that the Tuesday meeting is where decisions are made 14:49:39 mm: we could say that the policy applies to decisions made in the chairs meeting 14:50:29 mm: we need to think about more considerations for a asynchronous chair decision policy 14:50:55 kaz: this policy is useful but not sufficient 14:51:29 mm: suggest we adopt this now and add the async decision process later 14:52:32 kaz: what kind of topic does this apply to? 14:52:53 mm: things we haven't discovered yet 14:53:12 kaz: this is too specific as an initial starting point 14:54:00 ... for example, when we decided the IG charter extension by email, we waited for 3 way consensus 14:54:58 seb: we could clarify that this policy can be extended 14:55:36 kaz: we could start with a much simpler policy without specific detail 14:56:27 mm: the policy addresses some process we are already using 14:57:29 kaz: the concern is we have 4 people including the team contact 14:57:57 kaz: would like the team contact to be involved in the consensus 14:58:14 mm: we should consider the team contact 14:58:33 seb: we should leave this open and refine in the chairs call 14:58:40 time check: 2m left 14:59:21 sub-topic: PR # 1117, roles and responsibilities between WG and IG 14:59:32 s/in the consensus/in the consensus. I don't want to override the Chairs opinions but would like to continue the discussion until getting actual "consensus" within the Chairs Team (=3 co-Chairs and Team Contact)/ 14:59:59 q- 15:00:00 q+ 15:00:16 s/PR/issue / 15:00:54 mm: we could address this in the IG charter discussion 15:01:11 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/pull/93 wot-cg PR 93 15:01:12 kaz: Ege generated some content about this issue 15:01:42 ege: doesn't explain enough but is a starting point 15:01:56 mm: we can use it as a first draft 15:02:11 seb: we are over time, need to close 15:02:14 i|we could|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1117 Issue 1117 - [Policy Proposal] Roles and responsibilities within the WG/IG| 15:02:36 s/PR 93/PR 93 - Proposal for WG and IG liaison/ 15:02:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 15:03:12 mm: we are not planning a 2 hour call next week, but will add the second hour in the meeting after 15:03:23 seb: adjourned 15:05:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:05:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/22-wot-minutes.html kaz 15:05:57 We start the TD Call at 10 past 17:08:22 bkardell_ has joined #wot 17:13:54 Zakim has left #wot 18:26:29 JordonHughes has joined #wot 18:30:25 seabass has joined #wot 18:32:28 KevinBush has joined #wot 18:37:36 vianka has joined #wot 18:38:08 rzr has joined #wot 18:41:46 w3c_modbot has joined #wot 18:43:06 Mike5Matrix has joined #wot 18:52:36 Danrancan has joined #wot 18:53:36 asocrt has joined #wot 19:05:10 sdd has joined #wot 19:17:47 lasthayek has joined #wot 19:27:30 joraboi445 has joined #wot 19:28:38 Github has joined #wot 19:33:03 sentinel1975 has joined #wot 19:33:36 general_j has joined #wot 19:40:23 cris has joined #wot 19:41:27 tallship has joined #wot