IRC log of wot on 2023-11-15

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meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Mahda_Noura

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#15_November_2023

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topic: Logistics

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mm: 2-hour call today because we need to talk about the IG Charter

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regrets+ Sebastian

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present+ Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura

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topic: Guests, New Members

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none

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topic: Minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html Nov-8

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mm: (goes through the minutes)

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approved

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topic: Quick updates

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subtopic: Nordic Smart Cities CG

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mm: there'll be a meeting of the Nordic Smart Cities CG on Nov 27

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... Kaz and the WoT Chairs will join the meeting (during the Discovery call)

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topic: Meeting schedule

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mm: (checks the upcoming holidays)

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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events holidays and upcoming events

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zakim, who is on the call?

13:10:08 [Zakim]

Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Mahda_Noura, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura

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(Discovery on Nov 27 will be cancelled)

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subtopic: Rescheduling calls

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mm: any updates on the TD call?

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ek: will send a proposal

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... would include the Chairs call slot

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mm: note there is the OPC UA call right after that slot

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q+

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ek: another possibility is Thursday 3pm CET

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mm: talking about 2 calls? or one?

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... maybe having calls on Tuesday and Thursday would make sense

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q?

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ack k

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kaz: we don't need to talk about the detail during this cal

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s/cal/call/

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... but we need to clarify the restrictions more explicitly

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topic: WG planning

13:15:31 [kaz]

mm: policy discussion to be done next week on Nov 22

13:15:55 [McCool]

proposal: have an extended main call (by 1h) on Nov 22 to discuss policies

13:16:18 [McCool]

resolution: have an extended main call (by 1h) on Nov 22 to discuss policies

13:16:36 [kaz]

q+

13:17:16 [Ege]

q+

13:17:33 [kaz]

kaz: the policy discussion should include how to manage the progress of our own spec work too

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mm: that's true

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ack k

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ack e

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ek: should we consider potential input for the ongoing project management discussions by the Team ad the AB?

13:18:43 [kaz]

kaz: my suggestion is no :)

13:18:48 [McCool]

q?

13:18:53 [kaz]

... we could work on our own policy first

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mm: yes

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topic: Publications

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subtopic: REC drafts

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mm: Discovery and Architecture are done from my viewpoint

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... what about TD?

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ek: some open PRs

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q?

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q+

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ack k

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kaz: we need to make the spec HTML ready

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... make the related resources ready

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... and also need to identify what the remaining GitHub Issues are like

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... by adding some explicit labels like "defer to 2.0", "publication preparation", "editorial", etc.

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mm: when Kaz makes the Transition Request for RECs, we need to identify the remaining issues within it

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... I've worked on Discovery for that

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues Discovery Issues

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... and Architecture

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues Architecture Issues

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... there are still "by REC publication" issues for TD

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q+

13:24:38 [kaz]

... but we need to identify how to handle them

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues TD Issues

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... also there are 7 PRs

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls TD PRs

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... Ege to clarify how to deal with them

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ml: wondering about them

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mm: editorial fixes for diagrams, etc.

13:26:50 [Ege]

q+

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present+ Michael_Lagally

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ml: using open-source tool?

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ek: yes

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present+ Luca_Barbato

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mm: ready to merge them?

13:28:31 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1918 TD PR 1918 - Update 1.1 REC Publication after new process version

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s/them/PR 1918/

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html kaz

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present+ Ege_Korkan

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ek: still need to fix link errors

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q+

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ack e

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ack k

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kaz: which is the correct URL for ETSI, https or http?

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mm: https

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... but apparently specref uses http wrongly

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kaz: has raised an Issue for that?

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mm: Ege did

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... any objection for merging this?

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(none)

13:32:04 [kaz]

merged

13:32:05 [Ege]

https://github.com/tobie/specref/pull/757 is the PR I did to specref

13:32:19 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html kaz

13:32:56 [kaz]

mm: what about the other "by REC publication" ones?

13:33:55 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22by+REC+publication%22 TD Issues marked as "by REC publication"

13:34:10 [kaz]

mm: why don't we mark Issue 1894 as "resources" instead?

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q+

13:35:26 [kaz]

s/mm: why don't we mark Issue 1894 as "resources" instead?//

13:35:51 [kaz]

kaz: this is related to the automatically generated text by ReSpec

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... so we don't need to care about that

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subtopic: Issue 1509

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1509 TD Issue 1509 - We need to update the TD IANA entry and sync with TM content

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mm: relabel as "External SDO" instead

13:39:17 [kaz]

(no "by REC publication" issues now)

13:39:36 [kaz]

subtopic: Issue 1894 - revisited

13:40:21 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1894 TD Issue 1894 - Clarifying "Future updates to this Recommendation" section

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q+

13:41:38 [kaz]

kaz: the text of "Future updates to this REC..." is based on the latest process document

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... and all/most of the latest RECs include that text

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... we also can include the line safely

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ack k

13:43:36 [kaz]

... at some point, ReSpec will generate that line automatically, I think

13:43:38 [kaz]

mm: right

13:44:09 [kaz]

... so now all the spec drafts should be ready for the transition request

13:45:19 [kaz]

kaz: let's record that as a resolution

13:46:01 [McCool]

proposal: WG confirms that Architecture 1.1, Discovery, and TD 1.1 REC drafts have been updated to the latest process document and that all related remaining issues have been identified, and that we should proceed with the REC transition request.

13:46:32 [McCool]

resolution: WG confirms that Architecture 1.1, Discovery, and TD 1.1 REC drafts have been updated to the latest process document and that all related remaining issues have been identified, and that we should proceed with the REC transition request.

13:46:50 [kaz]

subtopic: Ontologies and Schemas

13:46:57 [kaz]

mm: some recent changes

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... would merge the remaining PR 12

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/pull/12 wot-resources PR 12 - Sync TD resources

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mm: (goes through the PR)

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rrsagent, draft minute

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html kaz

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chair: McCool, Koster

13:49:15 [kaz]

... fixing problems with the ontologies

13:49:22 [kaz]

... would like to merge this PR

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(merged)

13:50:41 [kaz]

mm: what about the responses from the Webmaster and PLH?

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kaz: got a response from the Webmaster, who agrees with my suggestion on the simpler mechanism

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... but still waiting for the response from PLH

13:51:44 [kaz]

mm: for the 1.0 spec, we had 5 resources and the setting was messy at that time already

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... now we have 20 resources

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... but I'm reluctant to change the mechanism now

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kaz: @@@

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... would make our work for 2.0 version also much easier

13:54:33 [kaz]

mm: let's see what the potential changes would be

13:55:00 [kaz]

... basically w3.org/2022/wot/discovery => w3.org/ns/wot/discovery

13:55:35 [Ege]

q+

13:55:50 [kaz]

... what would be the merit for that?

13:56:01 [kaz]

kaz: we can manage the structure ourselves

13:56:51 [kaz]

... we don't care about v1 specs, which are already handled the previous mechanism

13:59:28 [kaz]

... however, I'd suggest we should discuss this separately rather than diving into it today, because we need to talk about the IG Charter today

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... note that PLH might have a different opinion from mine

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... so we should discuss this issue after getting his suggestion

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ack e

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mm: possibly, we could use w3.org/ns/wot/discovery/v1/context

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... but not sure we would like that direction

14:03:03 [McCool]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/pull/13

14:03:26 [kaz]

ek: don't understand what would be complicated with the current mechanism

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kaz: anyway, I'd suggest we not talk about this today

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... let's have discussion again after getting response from PLH

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mm: ok

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topic: Press release

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mm: draft text is fixed

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kaz: MarComm is installing that on the W3C server

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... but we still need to wait for the publication date

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mm: need to wait for the translations as well

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i|draft text is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/MARKETING/PressReleaseDrafts/2023/draft.md draft text|

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topic: TPAC minutes

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mm: we've been reviewing the minutes

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... there is a note on Use Cases and Requirements too

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q+

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kaz: yes

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... and TD/Binding part also done by Koster

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q-

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mm: ok

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... let's merge the UC/Req part then

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(merged)

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i|there is a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1136 PR 1136 - Create 2023-09-14-WoT-TPAC-UseCases-Discussion.md

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1137 PR 1137 - Create 2023-09-15-WoT-TPAC-Architecture-Discussion.md

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mm: can be merged for Architecture

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(merged)

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1135 PR 1135 - Create 2023-09-14-WoT-TPAC-Accessibility-Discussion.md

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mm: extracted actions from the APA minutes

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(merged)

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mm: What about TD/Binding?

14:11:22 [kaz]

mjk: we've already merged it

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1141 PR 114 - Create 2023-09-WoT-TPAC-TD-Discussion.md

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mm: ok

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subtopic: Day 1 minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html Day 1

14:13:59 [McCool]

proposal: Accept minutes for Day 1 of TPAC WoT minutes at https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html

14:14:11 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/15-wot-minutes.html kaz

14:14:31 [McCool]

resolution: Accept minutes for Day 1 of TPAC WoT minutes at https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html

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subtopic: Day 2 minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/15-wot-minutes.html Day 2

14:16:10 [McCool]

proposal: Accept minutes for Day 2 of TPAC WoT minutes at https://www.w3.org/2023/09/15-wot-minutes.html

14:16:24 [McCool]

resolution: Accept minutes for Day 2 of TPAC WoT minutes at https://www.w3.org/2023/09/15-wot-minutes.html

14:16:30 [kaz]

q+

14:17:27 [Ege]

q+

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ack k

14:18:53 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/Minutes/2023/2023_09_14-minutes.md and https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/Minutes/2023/2023_09_15-minutes.md

14:19:09 [kaz]

i|https|kaz: as I put there, we should record the minutes of the joint meetings with Web Agent CG and WoT CG would be better|

14:19:22 [kaz]

i|https|mm: let's confirm them next time|

14:20:16 [kaz]

i|https|kaz: that's fine, but at least the bullet points on different roles of WoT WG, WoT IG and WoT CG should be recorded somewhere as the starting point for the IG Charter discussion.|

14:20:42 [kaz]

i|https|ek: actually, the minutes from the WoT CG joint meeting are copied to the GitHub area.|

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s/topic: Publications//

14:21:33 [kaz]

s/subtopic: REC drafts/topic: REC drafts/

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i|there are still "|topic: Remaining TD Issues/PRs|

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i|ready to merge PR 1918|subtopic: PR 1918|

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i|what about the other "by|subtopic: Issue 1894|

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i|so now|topic: REC drafts - revisited|

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s/subtopic: Ontolo/topic: Ontolo/

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i|we've been revi|subtopic: Notes from the minutes|

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14:27:10 [mahda-noura]

ScribeNick: mahda-noura

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i|as I put there|subtopic: Minutes from the joint meetings|

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scribenick: mahda-noura

14:27:58 [mahda-noura]

Chair: Michael Koster

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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chair: McCool, Koster

14:28:54 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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topic: IG Charter

14:29:22 [mahda-noura]

mm: a section describing use cases, he made them consistent and expanded them to include consumer, industrial, agricultural and environmental

14:29:32 [mahda-noura]

...he also changed some wordings

14:30:19 [mahda-noura]

...modified the hypermedia-driven interaction section to emphasize a broader case

14:31:19 [kaz]

q+

14:31:33 [mahda-noura]

...changed Linked Data, added accessibility, machine learning/artificial intelligence

14:31:40 [mahda-noura]

...added a link to the previous charter

14:32:33 [kaz]

ack k

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ack e

14:32:37 [mahda-noura]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/commit/main

14:32:52 [mjk]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/commit/105d231c33541fb1ee7956a882994587a09e513b

14:32:58 [kaz]

i|a section|subtopic: McCool commit without PR|

14:33:19 [kaz]

i|a section|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/commit/105d231c33541fb1ee7956a882994587a09e513b McCool's commit|

14:33:48 [mahda-noura]

mm: there is a typo in the current commit which needs to be fixed

14:34:46 [mahda-noura]

...mm added a paragraoh regarding privacy and security, link to the security and privacy guideline document, he didn't the internationalization too much only put it in context

14:35:00 [kaz]

s/paragraoh/paragraph/

14:35:14 [mahda-noura]

...some minor typo issues would be fixed later by Michael McCool

14:35:32 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/commit/105d231c33541fb1ee7956a882994587a09e513b||

14:35:37 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/commit/main||

14:35:38 [mahda-noura]

...we can now review it

14:35:45 [kaz]

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14:36:13 [mjk]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/132

14:36:26 [kaz]

i|https|subtopic: PR 132|

14:36:48 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/132|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/132|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/132 PR 132 - IG Charter 2023: Update Deliverables|

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14:37:57 [Ege]

q+

14:37:57 [mahda-noura]

mm: we didn't clearly state that the use case and requirement is also in the interest of of IG, this is added. Implementation report removed as it is not an IG task

14:38:17 [Ege]

Also see: https://www.w3.org/WoT/cg/

14:38:25 [kaz]

s/of of/of/

14:39:09 [mahda-noura]

Ege: I would just revert the ending, related community groups to the WoT

14:39:10 [kaz]

q+

14:39:29 [mahda-noura]

mm: we could do that, we can leave the PR open for additional suggestions

14:40:15 [kaz]

ack e

14:40:30 [mahda-noura]

mm: we could also merge it to avoid conflicts later on, and then iteratively proceed

14:40:58 [mahda-noura]

mjk: I don't see anything that would be against merging it

14:41:24 [mahda-noura]

mm: we only have one month left, I think personally finish by December

14:41:45 [kaz]

q?

14:41:56 [mahda-noura]

mm: I think we should merge it, and if you have a problem create suggestions

14:42:04 [mahda-noura]

Ege: I just created one

14:42:40 [mahda-noura]

kaz: I am also okay for merging this, the title say deliverables, we should think about the deliverable and scope section seperately

14:42:52 [mahda-noura]

...ideally the diagram on the realtion should be updated

14:43:35 [mahda-noura]

mm: we should create a link to the other section with the scope, where more details are added there

14:44:06 [mahda-noura]

kaz: for this PR we should specifically consider the group relationship seperatly

14:44:18 [mahda-noura]

mm: I don't want to prevent the IG from mentioning tutorial

14:44:37 [mahda-noura]

kaz: merging this PR is fine, we should first start with mission, and vision

14:44:57 [mahda-noura]

mm: lets not merge yet now, and look at the mission statement

14:45:11 [kaz]

s/vision/scope, then deliverables/

14:45:22 [kaz]

s/we should/but we should/

14:45:36 [kaz]

q?

14:45:40 [kaz]

q-

14:46:08 [mahda-noura]

subtopic: PR 131

14:46:14 [mahda-noura]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/131

14:46:23 [kaz]

s/for this PR we should specifically consider the group relationship seperatly/for this PR itself, we should concentrate on the description of deliverables/

14:46:30 [kaz]

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14:46:52 [kaz]

s/lets/let's/

14:46:56 [kaz]

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14:47:33 [mahda-noura]

mm: the original text is reworded to mention "WoT approach seek to..."

14:47:38 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/131|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/131|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/131 PR 131 - Update IG 2023 Mission Statement|

14:47:52 [kaz]

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14:48:22 [mahda-noura]

...I added line 137, as interest groups we are seeking to build a deeper understanding of stakeholder needs

14:48:39 [mahda-noura]

...this related to what we are doing with the use case activity

14:49:17 [mahda-noura]

...the final line is to align WoT standard via W3C SDO liaisons

14:49:46 [mahda-noura]

...I suggest we leave this PR open and take suggestions

14:49:47 [kaz]

q+

14:49:59 [mahda-noura]

mjk: any comments on this?

14:50:32 [mahda-noura]

kaz: I suggest to describe what the W3C WoT approach seeks

14:51:17 [mahda-noura]

mm: we could say the W3C WoT standard

14:52:32 [mahda-noura]

mm: this suggestion is taken into account directly and changed to: The W3C Web of Things standards seek to counter the fragmentation of the...

14:53:25 [mahda-noura]

mjk: any other suggestion?

14:53:44 [kaz]

s/to describe what the W3C WoT approach seeks/we say "W3C WoT standards seek" instead of "WoT approach seeks"/

14:53:46 [mahda-noura]

mm: should we extend the SDO acronym?

14:53:49 [kaz]

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14:54:29 [kaz]

q+

14:55:22 [kaz]

ack k

14:55:42 [mahda-noura]

kaz: it would be probably better to say instead of "W3C SDO liaisons" to align W3C Web of Things standards with other standards via liaisons

14:56:08 [mahda-noura]

mjk: any additional change?

14:56:13 [mahda-noura]

(none)

14:56:53 [kaz]

s/ say instead of "W3C SDO liaisons" to align W3C Web of Things standards with other standards via liaisons/ simply say "via liaisons" instead of "via W3C SDO liaisons"/

14:56:56 [kaz]

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14:58:19 [kaz]

q+

14:58:28 [mahda-noura]

mjk: merged PR number 132

14:59:36 [mahda-noura]

kaz: PR 131 could be also merged today

15:00:30 [kaz]

s/mm: let's not merge yet now, and look at the mission statement/mm: let's not merge yet now, and look at the mission statement then revisit this/

15:00:33 [kaz]

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15:01:12 [mahda-noura]

mjk: any objections to merging PR number 131?

15:01:12 [mahda-noura]

(none)

15:01:12 [kaz]

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15:01:22 [mahda-noura]

mm: lets do policies next week

15:01:24 [kaz]

i/merged PR number 132/subtopic: Merging PR 132 and 131/

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s/lets/let's/

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[adjourned]

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