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17:55:20 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA WG
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18:01:50 <jamesn> Agenda?
18:01:59 <StefanS> present+
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18:02:13 <scotto> present+
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18:02:29 <Adam_Page> scribe: Adam_Page
18:02:35 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:02:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/45Y6btu -- taken up [from agendabot]
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18:04:21 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: dpub-aam/#34
18:04:25 <mbgower> present+
18:04:55 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wait for dpub WG to address
18:05:41 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: aria/#2075
18:06:03 <Adam_Page> scotto: was looking through all elements that can be named by author, and `time` popped up
18:06:15 <Adam_Page> ... don’t oppose it, but don’t understand it
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18:06:27 <Adam_Page> ... do we really want this to be named?
18:06:31 <melsumner> present+
18:06:37 <Adam_Page> MattKing: seems like a potential generic
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18:07:10 <Adam_Page> scotto: let’s all look at it asynchronously and agenda if needed
18:07:23 <BGaraventa> present+ bgaraventa
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18:08:09 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: aria/#2074
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18:08:47 <Matt_King> present+
18:08:52 <Adam_Page> scotto: found this during the same investigation as #2075
18:08:54 <jcraig> present+
18:09:00 <Adam_Page> ... this one might deserve more attention
18:09:08 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
18:09:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/09-aria-minutes.html jcraig
18:09:18 <Adam_Page> ... HTML equivalents for definition and term are <dfn> and nothing for term
18:09:35 <Adam_Page> ... during role parity discussions, we did say that each can name the other
18:09:42 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: I’ll agenda this one
18:10:12 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: aria/#2073
18:10:28 <Adam_Page> Rahim: I was reviewing roles which cannot be named
18:10:40 <Adam_Page> ... and noticed that `none` is there, but not `presentation`
18:11:11 <Adam_Page> ... do we always want none and presentation to be listed together?
18:11:21 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: any background from anyone?
18:11:31 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: none was added much later as a synonym
18:11:36 <Adam_Page> ... I think this is an editorial issue
18:12:27 <Adam_Page> jcraig: initially presentation was the only one, but web authors kept misunderstanding that `role="presentation"` is equivalent to `aria-hidden="true"`
18:12:50 <Adam_Page> ... some elements now have a preference between `presentation` and `none`
18:13:30 <Adam_Page> pkra: isn’t this just a technical editors issue?
18:13:42 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: agreed, please agenda this for that meeting
18:15:28 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:15:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/49nWLu9 -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:15:34 <melsumner> I thought we defined deprecated in ARIA spec as something different a while back, FWIW
18:16:14 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: aria/#2076
18:16:38 <Adam_Page> ... already approved, we can just merge
18:16:59 <Adam_Page> pkra: no more reviews needed, it’s just editorial
18:17:00 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:17:00 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/ARIA-WPT -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:17:26 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#43046
18:18:43 <Adam_Page> jcraig: found an interesting bug in Chrome and Firefox where `<img src="#">` fails to render, so I replaced the src with a one-pixel data URI
18:19:01 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#43043
18:19:15 <Adam_Page> jcraig: Rahim and I are working on this one
18:19:48 <Adam_Page> Rahim: this one has an ambiguous definition for what should be returned for a hidden aria-labelledby node reference
18:19:57 <Adam_Page> jcraig: I’ll review this one
18:20:10 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#43028
18:23:14 <Adam_Page> scotto: this needs to be updated to consider parent/child relationship more than HTML enclosure
18:23:41 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#43013
18:24:07 <Adam_Page> scotto: similar to previous, I’ll review this one
18:24:39 <Adam_Page> Rahim: I just finished contextual role WPT tests — should I add this one?
18:24:47 <Adam_Page> scotto: yes, that’d be great — let’s sync up on that
18:25:20 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#42784
18:25:35 <Adam_Page> ... needs reviewers
18:26:29 <Adam_Page> Rahim: I’ll review
18:27:11 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#42769
18:27:58 <Adam_Page> ... this one is still WIP
18:28:27 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#42760
18:28:47 <Adam_Page> scotto: I just committed an update
18:29:52 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#42551
18:30:07 <Adam_Page> jcraig: this is one of spectranaut’s manual tests
18:30:17 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#41643
18:30:19 <Adam_Page> jcraig: ditto
18:31:04 <Adam_Page> jcraig: spectranaut can follow up if she needs different reviewers
18:32:13 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#41522
18:32:50 <Adam_Page> ... this one already has reviewers
18:33:03 <Adam_Page> jcraig: this is a manual one
18:33:11 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#41463
18:33:24 <Adam_Page> jcraig: Rahim and I are working on this one, it’s very close
18:37:21 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#34797
18:37:52 <Adam_Page> ... this is a manual core-aam one, so we can skip
18:37:58 <Adam_Page> jcraig: I’ve already provided feedback
18:38:05 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: wpt/#33680
18:38:18 <Adam_Page> jcraig: this is still a draft
18:38:27 <Adam_Page> ... it’ll be a manual test also
18:38:38 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:38:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:40:27 <melsumner> q+ to ask if I missed the deep dive request section
18:41:01 <melsumner> q-
18:41:17 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:41:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- -> Ambiguity in AccName LabelledBy section: "[if] current node is not already 'part of' [sic]…traversal" https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/209 -- taken up [from
18:41:21 <Zakim> ... agendabot]
18:45:44 <Adam_Page> jcraig: BGaraventa and I agree on this one and now I just need to update the text
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18:46:03 <sarah_h> q+
18:46:05 <Adam_Page> s/text/test
18:52:18 <Rahim> q+
18:52:55 <sarah_h> ack me
18:54:17 <Adam_Page> jcraig: let’s focus on the traversal aspect of this one and save name prohibited on generic as a separate issue
18:54:56 <Adam_Page> ... I’ll take assignment of this one and propose an editorial update to the spec
18:56:12 <Rahim> q-
18:58:42 <jcraig> agenda?
18:58:48 <melsumner> q+ to ask about scheduling a deep dive
18:58:49 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:58:53 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Adam_Page
18:59:57 <Adam_Page> zakim, take up item 4
18:59:57 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
19:01:32 <Adam_Page> melsumner: need a deep dive for next week to explore accname as description and value
19:01:48 <Adam_Page> ... BGaraventa I discussed this and would like to present some ideas to the group
19:02:29 <Adam_Page> zakim, end meeting
19:02:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been StefanS, Francis_Storr, scotto, Adam_Page, giacomo-petri, pkra, Rahim, mbgower, melsumner, bgaraventa, Matt_King, jcraig
19:02:33 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
19:02:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/09-aria-minutes.html Zakim
19:02:40 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:03:02 <dmontalvo> zakim, draft minutes
19:03:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', dmontalvo
19:03:19 <Adam_Page> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:03:48 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
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19:04:19 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
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