12:59:52 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:59:56 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-irc 12:59:57 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 13:00:07 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster 13:01:04 present+ Kudzai_Manditereza 13:01:13 present+ Ege_Korkan, David_Ezell 13:01:23 dezell has joined #wot 13:01:31 present+ David_Ezell 13:02:10 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:02:35 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool 13:02:38 ktoumura has joined #wot 13:03:10 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#8_November_2023 13:03:33 McCool has joined #wot 13:04:16 Ege has joined #wot 13:04:19 dape has joined #wot 13:04:32 sebastian has joined #wot 13:04:42 Kudzai-HiveMQ has joined #wot 13:04:59 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:05:09 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:05:16 mjk has joined #wot 13:05:26 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#8_November_2023 13:05:56 rrsagent, make log public 13:05:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:06:23 I will not be able to join the second hour sadly 13:06:41 s/I will not be able to join the second hour sadly// 13:07:14 scribe: dape 13:07:45 TOPIC: New Members 13:08:16 MMC: Kaz already on-boarded the new member 13:08:30 ... Kudzai Manditereza 13:08:56 ... from HiveMQ 13:09:09 KM: HiveMQ around since 2012 13:09:14 mahda-noura has joined #wot 13:09:23 ... we provide MQTT broker 13:09:29 matsuda has joined #wot 13:09:38 ... joined WG last month 13:09:50 ... interested in MQTT binding 13:10:13 present+ Mahda_Noura, Tetsushi_Matsuda 13:10:33 ... have open source software where we would like to integrate WoT 13:11:13 q+ 13:11:19 MMC: I suggest to also look at MQTT discovery ..besides binding 13:11:23 ... welcome! 13:11:37 Kaz: Thank your for joining and welcome! 13:11:42 welcome Kudzai :-) 13:11:50 TOPIC: Minutes 13:12:03 -> November-01 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html 13:12:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:12:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:13:07 MMC: Any objections to publish minutes? 13:13:16 ... -> none -> minutes approved 13:13:23 TOPIC: Notices (Information only) 13:13:38 MMC: FYI, IIWoT 2024 Workshop - Jan 6 2024 -> https://iiwot24.nws.cs.unibo.it/ 13:13:45 TOPIC: Quick Updates 13:13:51 SUBTOPIC: Smart Cities update 13:13:52 q+ 13:14:20 Kaz: Daniel Dersen (W3C Nordic Chapter Evangelist) contacted me 13:14:38 ... about Nordic Chapter Smart City / Web of Things CG 13:14:55 ... They want me to join their CG's meeting on Nov 27 to discuss Smart Cities at W3C 13:15:00 ... will report back 13:15:15 MMC: I would like to join as well 13:15:27 ... W3C calendar entry might be useful 13:15:46 Kaz: calendar entry should be available 13:16:07 MMC: call themself " / Web of Things CG " 13:16:18 Kaz: Kind of too broad 13:16:50 ... getting potential new members 13:16:52 s/broad/broad :)/ 13:17:00 s/Kind of/Maybe kind of/ 13:17:02 MMC: consider adding them to IG charter 13:17:18 ... join call on Nov 27 as well 13:17:31 q- 13:17:33 SUBTOPIC: RDF Dataset Canonicalization 13:17:35 ack k 13:17:42 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-canon/ 13:17:52 MMC: now a Candidate Recommendation 13:18:01 ... we should review it 13:18:21 ... it says implementations welcome 13:18:27 i|Daniel Dersen|-> https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/smartcity-nordic/ Nordic Chapter Smart City CG| 13:18:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:18:47 q+ 13:18:50 ... there seem to be 4 implementations 13:18:56 TOPIC: Marketing 13:18:58 q- 13:19:42 MMC: Marketing TF wants to discuss some points 13:20:02 Ege: we discussed GitHub Topic curation in yesterdays marketing call 13:20:10 q+ 13:20:23 ... topics on GitHub can be curated 13:20:30 ... shows a little landing page 13:20:39 ... there is not a thing for web of things 13:20:46 ... no landing page 13:21:04 ... we would need to create PR to specific repo etc 13:21:13 ... did that with JSON schema recently 13:21:28 ... did an initial version 13:21:37 ... we need to agree on some fields 13:22:22 ... like name, aliases, ... 13:22:36 ... we need to decide on created_by and url 13:22:49 ... shall we associate it with W3C? 13:23:22 MMC: do we mean "web of things" or W3C web of things 13:23:58 q? 13:24:04 ... I am okay with "web of things" 13:24:16 q? 13:24:29 ... we should allow to integrate others 13:24:45 ... need to talk to Marcom team 13:25:09 ... "wot" is too generic 13:25:19 q? 13:25:49 Ege: anyone can add topics 13:25:57 ... we can just propose it 13:26:24 Kaz: We should think about if we really want to do it 13:26:43 ... not every nice GH feature is useful for us 13:27:07 ... some parts in the end would not be related to W3C 13:27:15 ... I don't recommend doing it 13:27:29 MMC: I am concerned that everyone can use the topic also 13:27:44 Ege: at the same time anybody could create the topic 13:27:52 s/doing it/doing it without clarifying the mechanism a bit more/ 13:28:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:28:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:28:09 MMC: If we do it... we have somehow more control 13:28:20 ack k 13:28:23 +1 kaz 13:28:28 ... I think we can define a topic for W3C things 13:28:40 ... marcom should agree also 13:28:47 s/W3C things/"W3C Web of Things/ 13:28:51 s/Things/Things"/ 13:28:57 q? 13:29:13 MMC: We can define both tags .... web-of-things and W3C web-of-things 13:29:14 q+ 13:29:59 Kaz: W3C is interested in branding ... but it is also delicate 13:30:28 s/delicate/delicate for "Web of Things"/ 13:30:50 MMC: Web-Assembly do that aleady 13:30:52 cris_ has joined #wot 13:30:52 chair: McCool, Koster, Sebastian 13:31:01 ... anyhow.. I suggest to talk to Marcom first 13:31:07 q+ 13:31:18 Kaz: Agree 13:31:20 ack k 13:31:40 Ege: I see, we should get better understanding 13:31:57 ... 2nd topic 13:32:14 ... about marketing minutes 13:32:20 q+ 13:32:59 Kaz: we should clarify what do do with some meeting minutes ... from non official part 13:33:10 Ege: we don't really have minutes 13:33:20 ... we just collected some notes 13:33:32 Kaz: Do you want to publish the HackMD notes? 13:33:36 Ege: not really 13:33:53 Kaz: First meeting of the month is recorded ... and public 13:34:09 s/recorded/recorded on IRC/ 13:34:15 s/public/already public/ 13:34:19 MMC: Chairs minutes are not public.. we can do the same for the non official marketing meetings 13:34:48 TOPIC: Meeting Schedule Changes 13:35:00 MMC: not aware of any conflict 13:35:15 q+ 13:35:26 ack k 13:35:47 Kaz: due to Nordic CG meeting I have a conflict ... on Nov 27 13:36:03 MMC: we gonna cancel discovery call this day 13:36:21 ... security call canceled on Nov 6 and 13 13:36:49 MN: I am aware next week.. just not this week 13:37:08 MMC: Will try to uncancel the discovery meeting for Nov 13 13:38:12 ... BTW, US time and EU time are in sync again... Japan is on winter time 13:38:23 MMC: Reschedule TD call ? 13:38:35 Ege: Will send email 13:38:55 q+ 13:38:56 MMC: suggest 2 separate calls for TD and binding 13:39:28 Kaz: I let Ege know about my availability 13:39:51 ... difficult to find better slot .. if we avoid existing calls 13:40:18 MMC: Could look at alternate calls also? 13:40:24 ... but I am not convinced 13:40:44 ... for e.g., using security call 13:41:03 Kaz: Which of the other task forces would like to change their slot? 13:41:13 MMC: Not that many at the moment 13:41:22 ... we can use chairs call 13:41:38 ... but we should have it on Tuesday .. before main call 13:42:13 Ege: Security can be moved? 13:42:27 MMC: Maybe ... depends on Mahdas schedule also 13:42:47 ... slot after chairs calls should be avoided also.. OPCUA call 13:43:02 ... suggest Ege to propose some slots 13:43:21 TOPIC: Planning for New WG Charter Period 13:43:37 SUBTOPIC: IG Charter call is today 13:43:52 proposal: 2h call on Nov 15 to include 1h to discuss policies. 13:44:05 SUBTOPIC: Policies 13:44:15 s/Mahdas/Mahda's/ 13:44:17 resolution: 2h call on Nov 15 to include 1h to discuss policies. 13:44:19 MMC: Suggest 2 hour call next week 13:44:35 SUBTOPIC: Project management 13:44:46 MMC: waiting for management.. 13:44:52 Kaz: Yes, still waiting 13:45:09 SUBTOPIC: Open Day/F2F/Plugfest 13:45:15 MMC: Proposed: Berlin, June 2024 13:45:23 TOPIC: Recommendations 13:45:30 MMC: Double-check: are we ready 13:45:31 q+ 13:45:40 SUBTOPIC: TD 1.1 13:46:23 Kaz: BTW, he W3C Process Document has just been updated, so need to regenerate the static HTML 13:46:33 MMC: Just TD ? 13:46:42 Kaz: No, all of them 13:46:58 s/ he W/ the W/ 13:47:24 s/SUBTOPIC: TD 1.1/subtopic: New Process Document/ 13:47:28 Ege: will look into 13:47:37 s/Just TD/Just for TD/ 13:47:49 MMC: 4 editorial fixes have been merged ? 13:47:55 Ege: Yes 13:47:58 s/of them/of the three specs (TD, Discovery and Architecture)/ 13:48:25 i/4 editorial/subtopic: TD/ 13:48:36 s/look into/look into that for TD/ 13:48:56 Ege: ontology fix and figure fix 13:49:07 MMC: resources updated also? 13:49:18 Ege: no, will do that later in one go 13:49:27 i|4 editorial|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-wot-td-minutes.html#t01 TD meeting on Nov 2| 13:49:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:49:49 ... Pr 1911 updates readme about figures 13:50:21 ... PR 1913 ... tool-chain is not correct... spec is/was correct .. just the figures were not 13:50:40 q+ 13:51:11 s/spec is/spec text is/ 13:52:12 MMC: some important terms were missing 13:52:43 Kaz: Maybe we can mention basic issue: The automated script was wrong to get correct figures 13:53:14 MMC: Yes, we can consider figures editorial bugfix 13:53:32 s/we can mention/we should mention the/ 13:53:51 Ege: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1913#issuecomment-1788957309 mentions issues that have been fixed 13:53:56 s/correct figures/correct figures from the TTL files./ 13:54:12 MMC: This PR has been already merged 13:54:26 ... last PR 1912 not yet merged 13:54:34 ... -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1912 13:54:44 Ege: It fixes TM regex 13:55:10 ... regex feature is not supported on all platforms 13:55:29 ... changes still does validation 13:55:37 MMC: compatibility issue ? 13:55:43 Ege: yes 13:56:08 MMC: I am ok with the change 13:56:15 ... any objection? 13:56:46 proposal: accept change in TD PR#1912 to address validation compatibility issue; will update resources 13:56:52 CA: In TD call we talked about the opposite, right ? 13:57:11 ... it is not our problem solving implementations ? 13:57:34 Ege: Yes, but this is a fix that support all (most?) libraries 13:58:02 proposal: accept change in TD PR#1912 to address validation compatibility issue; will update resources 13:58:18 resolution: accept change in TD PR#1912 to address validation compatibility issue; will update resources 13:59:13 MMC: Ege please go ahead to merge 13:59:21 MMC: Ege, is REC ready? 13:59:25 Ege: Yes 13:59:41 rrsagent, drat minutes 13:59:41 I'm logging. I don't understand 'drat minutes', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:59:44 MMC: likewise Discovery and Architecture is ready 13:59:50 q+ 14:00:03 ack k 14:00:08 ... hence I suggest to move on with the Recommendations 14:00:10 proposal: Proceed with REC transition as soon as possible for Thing Description 1.1, Architecture 1.1, and Discovery after update to the Nov 3 process document link. 14:00:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:00:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:01:01 resolution: Proceed with REC transition as soon as possible for Thing Description 1.1, Architecture 1.1, and Discovery after update to the Nov 3 process document link. 14:01:45 TOPIC: Related resources like Ontologies and Schemas 14:01:59 MMC: feedback from PLH ? 14:02:08 q+ 14:02:12 Kaz: PLH very busy, will ping him again 14:02:49 ... need 1 week for transition 14:03:13 MMC: Okay than I suggest to publish the resources 14:03:48 ... we need to tell Ege that resources should be updated 14:04:20 ... press release and REC should come out mostly at the same time 14:05:09 Kaz: REC transition request usually takes 1 week.. but might take a little longer 14:05:24 s/request/request review/ 14:05:32 MMC: We should just make sure that press release comes out after REC 14:05:38 Kaz: That is not a problem 14:05:56 MMC: I think we should proceed with resources ... 14:06:14 MK: I can mention it in the TD call 14:06:21 s/longer/longer. So let's submit a transition request once the REC drafts are ready./ 14:06:22 TOPIC: Press Release 14:06:29 MMC: Are we ready? 14:06:44 SK: My latest status is that everything is in GoogleDoc .. 14:06:53 s/That is not a problem/Yes/ 14:06:55 ... still looking for more testimonials 14:07:20 MMC: Okay ... that we are in process.. 14:07:25 SK: Correct 14:08:00 s/is in/is now on/ 14:08:10 s/Doc ../Doc for further review/ 14:08:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:08:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:08:59 s/is REC ready/is TD draft for REC ready/ 14:09:29 i/likewise/subtopic: REC transition resolution for all the three specs/ 14:09:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:10:03 s/likewise Discovery and Architecture is ready/likewise Discovery and Architecture are also ready 14:10:26 s/subtopic: REC transition resolution for all the three specs// 14:10:41 i/Ege is TD/subtopic: REC transition resolution for all the three specs/ 14:10:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:10:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:11:11 [ first part ends; second part starts in 10 mins ] 14:11:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:11:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:11:42 i/Ege, is TD/subtopic: REC transition resolution for all the three specs/ 14:11:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:11:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:12:01 s|i/Ege is TD/subtopic: REC transition resolution for all the three specs/|| 14:12:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:12:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:22:24 scribenick: sebastian 14:22:26 ktoumura has joined #wot 14:22:30 q+ 14:22:54 MK: we do not have much time anymore in this current IG charter 14:23:28 Kaz: we should start with the existing PRs 14:23:55 MM: we should go to the IG draft repo 14:24:25 i/we do not/topic: New IG Charter/ 14:24:35 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/wot-ig-2023-draft.html draft IG Charter 14:25:09 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-ig-2023-draft.html rendered version 14:26:22 s/PRs/PR which generates the latest draft Charter/ 14:26:29 14:26:47 s/MM:/MK: seems the PR on wot repo has been closed.../ 14:27:50 s/we should go to the IG draft repo/I've moved the draft IG Charter from the wot repo to the wot-charter-drafts repo. So let's see the draft Charter on the wot-charter-drafts repo./ 14:28:10 MM: I created some issues what we have to do 14:28:47 14:29:06 i|MK|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22IG+2023+Charter%22 "IG 2023 Charter" issues| 14:29:23 i|MK|subtopic: Chairs| 14:29:28 q+ 14:29:42 MM: no time yet to work on this issues 14:29:48 q? 14:30:14 Kaz: we should clearify procedure and policy before 14:30:30 q+ 14:30:33 ... I'm ok adding Michael Koster as co-chair 14:30:57 ack k 14:31:10 ... we should do some brainstroming first about the procedure 14:31:20 s/as co-chair, but we should clarify our policy and procedure a bit/ 14:31:41 MM: anybode is able to create issue and make a PR 14:32:23 s/we should do some brainstroming first about the procedure/for example, anybody can add any issues based on their ideas, or we have some preliminary brainstorming before creating actual issue during this call./ 14:32:56 MK: we can prioritize the existing issues today 14:33:00 s/anybode is able to create issue and make a PR/anybody can create an issue, while creating a PR is a group decision./ 14:33:48 i/we can pri/kaz: OK. That can be our basic policy, and let's record that so that people can give concrete input./ 14:33:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:34:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:34:22 q+ 14:34:24 ack m 14:34:27 MK: lets start with the mission statement 14:34:37 ack m 14:35:06 ack k 14:35:23 Kaz: we can scan the current draft and check, if there is something missing 14:36:13 s/the current/the sections from the current/ 14:36:27 s/check,/see/ 14:36:33 s/something/anything/ 14:40:03 MM: the mission statement is not really approproate what the IG is doing 14:40:12 MK: agree 14:40:14 q+ 14:40:43 s/approproate/appropriate 14:42:00 MM: the text should say that IG supports the WG in its goals 14:42:16 ack k 14:42:59 i/the mission statement/mm: thoroughly tried to generate the GitHub issues for each section :)/ 14:43:22 Kaz: agree, the current mission statement is more for the WG rather IG 14:43:40 i/the mission statement/kaz: let's look into the issue one by one and assign somebody to work on concrete PRs/ 14:43:51 i/the mission s/subtopic: Mission/ 14:43:59 14:43:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:44:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:44:47 i|the mission s|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-ig-2023-draft.html issue 120 - IG Charter 2023: Update Mission Statement| 14:44:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:44:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:44:57 MM: we should mention that there are version updates 14:45:40 i/we do not have/subtopic: Logistics/ 14:45:50 s/a issue/an issue/ 14:45:58 MM: The first paragraph in Section 1 looks good 14:46:18 14:46:20 s/clearify/clarify/ 14:46:37 i/we should cl/subtopic: Policy and Procedure/ 14:46:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:46:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:47:51 i|MK creates an|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/130 Issue 130 - Add Michael Koster as proposed chair| 14:48:04 14:48:40 s/let's look/in that case, let's look/ 14:48:58 q+ 14:49:13 MK: its strange that IG runs the PlugFest, but content is managed by the WG 14:49:20 q+ 14:49:21 i|we should mention|subtopic: Background| 14:49:35 i|we should mention|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/121 Issue 121 - IG Charter 2023: Update background| 14:49:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:49:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:49:49 q? 14:49:49 ack m 14:50:17 MM: PlugFest is more exploring, TestFest is more checking the spec 14:50:26 i|issue #122|subtopic: Scope| 14:50:41 ... we should seperate this. PlugFest belongs to IG, TestFest belongs to WG 14:50:47 i|issue #122|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/122 Issue 122 - IG Charter 2023: Update scope| 14:50:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:50:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:51:38 s/Michael Koster as co-chair/Michael Koster as co-chair, but we should clarify our policy and procedure a bit./ 14:51:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:51:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:51:55 i/That can be ou/scribenick: kaz/ 14:52:11 i/we can pri/scribenick: sebastian/ 14:52:24 i/thorough/scribenick: kaz/ 14:52:39 q+ 14:52:44 i/the mission statement is not re/scribenick: sebastian/ 14:52:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:52:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:53:27 ack s 14:53:27 q+ 14:53:54 ack mc 14:54:30 i|subtopic: Scope|[assigned to Koster]| 14:54:52 i|subtopic: Back|[assigned to McCool]| 14:54:52 SK: I'm ok with the split, however, we should be aware that we also invite non-w3c members to PlugFest and TestFest. Wondering if this still possible to do 14:55:38 q? 14:55:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:55:51