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14:55:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:55:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), PaulG
14:55:38 <PaulG> Agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements
14:55:44 <PaulG> Agenda+ Review Use Case
14:55:50 <PaulG> Agenda+ Action Items
14:55:55 <PaulG> Agenda+ Github Issues and examples
14:55:59 <PaulG> Agenda+ Other Business
14:56:03 <PaulG> present+
14:56:09 <PaulG> chair: PaulG
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15:56:16 <IrfanAli> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/06-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanAli
15:56:25 <IrfanAli> rrsagent, start meeting
15:56:25 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'start meeting', IrfanAli.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:56:56 <IrfanAli> agenda?
16:00:45 <PaulG> zakim, clear agenda
16:00:45 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:00:50 <PaulG> Agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements
16:00:59 <PaulG> Agenda+ Review Use Case
16:01:06 <PaulG> Agenda+ Action Items
16:01:11 <PaulG> Agenda+ Github Issues and examples
16:01:19 <PaulG> Agenda+ Other Business
16:01:23 <PaulG> zakim, agenda
16:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', PaulG
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16:01:36 <PaulG> zakim, agenda?
16:01:36 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
16:01:37 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements [from PaulG]
16:01:37 <Zakim> 2. Review Use Case [from PaulG]
16:01:37 <Zakim> 3. Action Items [from PaulG]
16:01:38 <Zakim> 4. Github Issues and examples [from PaulG]
16:01:38 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from PaulG]
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16:03:10 <Dee> Present+
16:05:14 <PaulG> zakim, next item
16:05:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:05:44 <matatk> present+
16:06:14 <IrfanAli> present+
16:06:20 <Alan> present+
16:06:39 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review Use Case -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:08:14 <IrfanAli> PaulG: After TPAC, we started loook into the compelling use-cases
16:08:32 <IrfanAli> PaulG: we do have a wiki page to organize our thoughts
16:08:47 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Reasons-for-Delays-in-Spoken-Content
16:09:43 <IrfanAli> matatk: we discussed this in the past and got the similar roadblock for another proposal
16:10:51 <PaulG> we're working on our use cases so we can make a more compelling argument for pause/break. It must be an example that isn't satisfied by grammar/syntax and results in a differnet experience for users based on their modality
16:13:20 <PaulG> matatk: the TAG looks for an explainer in a particular format that's all about the use cases. We need the gap analysis but we might want to consider the TAG format for an explainer to help our "pitch"
16:17:17 <PaulG> Zakim, next item
16:17:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Action Items -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:18:43 <PaulG> we need to work on examples that push the onus on the author and the encoding rather than the interpreting technology. For instance, when there are bulleted list items or items separated by commas, that 's encumbant on the technology to present the pause/break adequately
16:24:12 <PaulG> Dee: there are examples where we add commas and extra words in equations to make sure they are read more accurately. There are ideas about making MathML read out more accurately and provide a mechanism for the user to investigate that equation
16:24:59 <PaulG> Alan: on certain platforms it will read out the punctuation and make a real mess of it
16:26:07 <PaulG> Dee: we also find that punctation is ignored and words run together
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16:33:47 <PaulG> I think if we can figure out a way to form the use case around "correct pronunciation" of an equation or formula in the "vernacular" of the author, that's probably something that will never get perfectly read out by all TTS tech because it varies too widely
16:36:12 <PaulG> Zakim, next item
16:36:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issues and examples -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:36:34 <PaulG> zakim, close this item
16:36:34 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:36:35 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:36:35 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from PaulG]
16:36:35 <PaulG> Zakim, next item
16:36:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Other Business -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:39:37 <PaulG> zakim, end meeting
16:39:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Alan, PaulG, Dee, matatk, IrfanAli
16:39:39 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:39:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/06-pronunciation-minutes.html Zakim
16:39:46 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, PaulG; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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