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15:02:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
15:03:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: Adapt weekly teleconference Monday Nov 6 2023
15:03:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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15:03:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:03:28 <Abhinav> present+
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15:04:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Welcome, general updates
15:04:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Meeting time change
15:04:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations: One-pager in HTML
15:04:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Issue 240 discussion (Unicode / Registry)
15:04:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ well-known URI for accessibility proposal/discuss. include in Gap analysis (Lionel)
15:04:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ A11y4Children follow-ups
15:04:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Recruiting
15:04:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ User Agents and Symbols Implementations
15:05:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
15:05:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:05:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome, general updates -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:05:57 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/06-adapt-minutes.html matatk
15:06:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Welcome Matt, good to have you back
15:06:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Good to be back.
15:06:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
15:06:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:06:56 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:56 <Zakim> 2. Meeting time change [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:06:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:06:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meeting time change -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:07:19 <matatk> scribe+
15:07:41 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Janina is not able to make this meeting half of the time. Can we consider some possibilities and debate on the list? Then conclude next week?
15:08:33 <matatk> matatk: In which TZs are our regular contributors?
15:08:45 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: I'm in New York + 7 / UTC + 2
15:09:25 <matatk> matatk: russell UTC - 5
15:09:28 <matatk> matatk: UTC
15:09:46 <matatk> Abhinav: UTC + 5:30
15:10:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: My co-facilitator is UTC - 8
15:14:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Tues and Thurs are OK for me, Tues preferable
15:14:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Thurs is good. Tues is a maybe, have to check on a conflict I have.
15:15:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> russell: +1 to Tuesday
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15:15:22 <russell_> yes
15:15:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... or Thursday
15:15:33 <russell_> +1
15:15:44 <Abhinav> +1
15:15:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: Tues or Thurs OK
15:17:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: And we have Roy in +8
15:19:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I will check in with the APA planning call and get back to the co-facilitators
15:19:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:19:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Symbol Module Implementations: One-pager in HTML -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:19:39 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:20:17 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Sharon was going to implement and Ruoxi upload this. Any news?
15:20:54 <matatk> q+
15:21:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack matatk
15:21:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Back in Sept I attended a conference, "state of the browser'
15:21:39 <matatk> https://2023.stateofthebrowser.com/
15:21:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... here is the link, https://2023.stateofthebrowser.com/
15:23:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Matt will check with Rot at APA
15:23:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:23:29 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Issue 240 discussion (Unicode / Registry) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:24:09 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Last week there was a great discussion and a way forward.
15:24:40 <matatk> q+
15:24:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> russell_: I engaged on the github issue and commented
15:26:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Mats Lundälv was president of BCI
15:27:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Andy Judson and Annalu Waller
15:28:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they addressed mapping between symbol sets using BlissIDs
15:28:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there was a first version that mapped between Bliss and ARASAAC
15:28:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it worked in Libre Office
15:29:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it was called the concept coding framework
15:31:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I find a link online to a PDF, http://www.conceptcoding.org/AAATE_2013_Inclusive_AAC-MMLS4All.pdf
15:34:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
15:34:46 <Zakim> Present: russell, Abhinav
15:34:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, Abhinav, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lionel_Wolberger, Mike5Matrix, sdd, Github, imlostlmao, justinestrada, gonzu_15, gb, trackbot
15:34:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:35:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
15:35:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> russell_: Any concept database would be helpful in translation
15:35:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... wordnet is one that comes to mind
15:37:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the URL is here, https://wordnet.princeton.edu/
15:37:32 <matatk> q?
15:38:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I may be able to extract a database of Bliss symbolics that they mapped in that previous work
15:39:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Thanks to Russel for explaining all that
15:39:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We did have discussions on this at TPAC, and there was a lot of interest
15:40:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I feel the TF should look into this
15:40:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... that would benefit our work even if it does not cause a change of course
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15:40:55 <russell> q?
15:41:09 <russell> q+
15:42:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Lionel_Wolberger
15:42:53 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: A few things. (1) I recall this came up in March and it bears looking at; action me to read through it and compare it. Maybe it should go into our gap analysys.
15:44:00 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Mapping by concept sounds like a deep idea. We have to bear in mind that we need to be normative. First glance at WordNet is that I'm not sure if it will be robust (from a standards perspective; unchanging) for 10 years.
15:45:00 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: (2) at M-Enabling, I sat with Jutta Treviranus who is very interested in our work, and is working in a group that is writing books in Bliss.
15:45:18 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Jutta invited us to her next meeting.
15:46:20 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: (3) Issue 240, I want to catch up with all that russell wrote, and thank russell for his contributions!
15:46:54 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:47:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> russell: I know Jutta from my earliest days in AAC
15:47:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ...  at the Hugh MacMillan center, now part of Holland Bloorview
15:49:32 <matatk> q+
15:49:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the project is called Baby Bliss Bot, https://github.com/inclusive-design/baby-bliss-bot/
15:49:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... An exploratory research project to generate new Bliss vocabulary using machine learning techniques.
15:49:51 <matatk> ack me
15:49:57 <matatk> ack russell
15:49:59 <matatk> q+
15:50:39 <matatk> q+ to ask if E. A. Draffan happens to be involved with this project?
15:50:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I have been somewhat involved
15:54:30 <matatk> ack me
15:54:30 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask if E. A. Draffan happens to be involved with this project?
15:57:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> russell: I would also add that Fraser Shein (Quillsoft) is another potentially relevant party
15:58:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:58:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- well-known URI for accessibility proposal/discuss. include in Gap analysis (Lionel) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:58:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I have a draft that I intend to share next week
15:58:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I reviewed the proposal from Abhinav and team
15:59:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it all fits together
15:59:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... at TPAC we had an informal review and had a good reception
16:00:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: I can't make next week, Matt can you share a draft
16:02:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
16:02:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been russell, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger
16:02:41 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/06-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
16:02:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:05:18 <matatk> present+
16:05:24 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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