12:57:37 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 12:57:41 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-irc 12:57:48 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 12:57:56 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c5b143d1-0a5b-4adb-8d60-0f5f9bfe5a41/20231102T150000/ 12:57:56 clear agenda 12:57:56 agenda+ Agenda Review 12:57:56 agenda+ Action Items 12:57:58 agenda+ Info Share 12:58:00 agenda+ RADAR Review 12:58:00 Chair: Addison Phillips 12:58:02 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 12:58:05 agenda+ Handling name-like fields in specdev 12:58:07 agenda+ AOB? 12:58:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:00:08 present+ Addison 13:13:47 agenda+ vc-json-schema and name/description 14:56:04 xfq has joined #i18n 14:56:52 present+ Fuqiao 14:58:01 Najib has joined #i18n 15:00:18 present+ Atsushi 15:01:31 present+ Richard, Bert 15:01:44 scribe: xfq 15:03:02 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:03:02 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:03:04 agenda? 15:03:22 JcK has joined #i18n 15:03:56 zakim, take up agendum 2 15:03:56 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:04:04 gb, list open actions 15:04:04 Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #56, #55, #54, #53, #48, #47, #43, #39, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #5, #4 15:04:15 #56 15:04:16 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56 -> Action 56 check on permissions with w3ctag and follow up with plh on looking for notifications (on xfq) due 2023-11-02 15:04:40 xfq: sent an email but no reply yet 15:04:46 #55 15:04:47 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/55 -> Action 55 work out new time slot for i18n/CSS call (on xfq) due 2023-11-01 15:04:51 present+ JcK 15:05:17 https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/aOZ9ZpEe 15:05:23 xfq: sent a doodle poll 15:05:32 ... waiting on addison 15:05:56 #54 15:05:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/54 -> Action 54 read Murata-san's ruby-t2s-req and Chinese requirements and Zaima and see what we're going to do (on xfq) due 2023-11-01 15:06:24 xfq: starting reviewing today, need time 15:06:30 #53 15:06:30 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 -> Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01 15:06:41 #48 15:06:41 scribe+ addison 15:06:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/48 -> Action 48 work with clreq to investigate or produce a generics proposal (on xfq) due 2023-10-05 15:07:22 xfq: propose to close because we decided to wait for css wg to work on the registry framework 15:07:27 close #48 15:07:29 Closed -> action #48 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/48 15:07:31 #47 15:07:32 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/47 -> Action 47 make the CSSWG aware of Warichu (on frivoal) due 2023-10-04 15:07:38 #43 15:07:38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18 15:07:56 #39 15:07:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/39 -> Action 39 develop best practice guidelines for name-like fields (on aphillips) due 2023-08-31 15:08:15 #35 15:08:16 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 -> Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30 15:08:20 #33 15:08:20 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 15:08:40 #18 15:08:40 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18 -> Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal, fantasai) 15:08:45 #16 15:08:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips) 15:08:50 #12 15:08:51 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) 15:09:08 #11 15:09:08 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 -> Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal) 15:09:14 #8 15:09:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on aphillips) 15:09:20 #7 15:09:21 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) 15:09:45 #5 15:09:45 #5 15:09:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5 -> Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on r12a) 15:09:58 #4 15:09:59 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) 15:10:22 zakim, take up agendum 3 15:10:22 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:10:38 q+ 15:10:45 ack r12a 15:11:00 JcK: IETF is next week 15:11:05 ... so I may not be on the call 15:11:25 https://typo.social/@ri/111311675323086386 15:11:34 r12a: last week I mentioned that I was working on the font lister page and the samples page 15:11:38 ... the work is done 15:11:43 ... see the link ^ 15:11:52 ... I added about 20 scripts 15:12:00 ... improved the UI in a number of ways 15:12:21 https://typo.social/@ri/111311572521610006 15:12:46 r12a: this is the font lister update 15:12:59 ... I reloaded all the fonts on my system 15:13:05 ... and snaps of them 15:13:16 ... there are over 800 pictures of the text for a lot of scripts 15:13:30 ... there are 20 new scripts approximately 15:14:00 ... macOS Ventura, doesn't support macOS Sonoma yet 15:14:11 ... a number of UI improvements 15:14:23 https://typo.social/@ri/111311616598455406 15:14:26 ... you can increase and decrease the size of the font 15:14:34 ... as well as the images 15:15:00 ... if you click the icon to the left of the font name, like the Windows icon 15:15:08 ... all the other fonts will disappear 15:15:17 ... and you'll only see the Windows font 15:15:30 q+ 15:15:50 addison: Unicode Technology Workshop is next week 15:16:04 ... it is an in-person event in Mountain View 15:16:23 https://unicode.org/events/utw/program/#tue 15:16:24 ... if you're not there I'll let you know if you missed anything 15:16:36 r12a: it would be nice to know who's gonna be speaking there 15:18:00 addison: if you are paying attention to the MessageFormat work, there's a balloting going on 15:18:02 https://r12a.github.io/scripts/fontlist/ 15:18:06 ... I've been the chair 15:18:12 ... please vote 15:19:32 r12a: I'm going to suggest that these are the generic fallback 15:19:48 ... this font page only looks at fonts that are available on Windows and macOS and Noto fonts and SIL fonts 15:19:56 ... and it doesn't look at anything else 15:20:35 zakim, take up agendum 4 15:20:35 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:20:52 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 15:21:06 addison: we have no new incoming 15:21:25 ... I did move VC JSON Schema to Awaiting comment resolution 15:21:32 ... atsushi, thank you for filing the issue 15:21:41 ... I adjusted the tags slightly 15:22:04 zakim, take up agendum 4 15:22:04 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:22:10 zakim, take up agendum 5 15:22:10 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:22:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending 15:23:10 agenda? 15:23:21 zakim, take up agendum 6 15:23:21 agendum 6 -- Handling name-like fields in specdev -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:23:37 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/121 15:23:51 https://deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#markup 15:24:11 addison: this is something we discussed 15:24:19 ... I did a significant rewrite 15:24:29 ... I reorganised the sections completely 15:24:46 ... I've retitled the section that used to be called "markup & syntax" 15:25:39 ... it's now called "Document formats, markup & syntax" 15:26:07 ... I'll point out the Japanese example is from Google Translate 15:26:21 p.myClassName and p.私のクラス名 15:26:43 JcK: I don't see issues on skimming 15:26:51 zakim, take up agendum 8 15:26:51 agendum 8 -- vc-json-schema and name/description -- taken up [from addison] 15:26:53 ... from my standpoint, go ahead and merge it 15:27:03 ... I'll try to review the merged version 15:27:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1775 15:27:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1775 -> Issue 1775 `name` and `description` fields need language and direction (by aphillips) [pending] [t:bidi_strings] [t:lang_strings] [s:vc-json-schema] 15:27:14 addison: OK. We've accomplished something. 15:27:51 addison: the VC JSON Schema document is telling people how to write JSON Schemas of a particular credential 15:27:58 https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-json-schema/#name 15:28:15 ... if you look at that location in vc-json-schema ^ 15:28:34 ... and then you scroll down just a little bit and you'll see example 6 of an example of a JSON schema 15:28:47 ... the name and description are in English 15:29:30 ... therefore I would think that we would want VC JSON Schema to say, you should use, for example the context to provide language and direction metadata for these fields 15:29:46 ... you should label these in different languages 15:29:59 ... they should address the localizability of schemas that people produce 15:30:12 ... maybe make them in more than English 15:30:20 ... and maybe tell people what language they're in 15:30:27 atsushi: I totally agree 15:30:29 +1 15:30:43 addison: any other thoughts on #1775? 15:30:44 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1775 -> Issue 1775 [not found] 15:30:49 ... any objections? 15:31:00 zakim, take up agendum 7 15:31:00 agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:31:00 ... I'll make that comment then 15:31:20 q+ 15:31:28 https://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/index.fr.html 15:31:28 ack r12a 15:31:46 r12a: I just published a French translation 15:31:50 ... for this article ^ 15:32:14 ... if you go to the English version, I reorganised the text somewhat 15:32:26 ... based on the suggestion of the French translator 15:32:45 ... the French translation looks a bit different from the English one 15:32:53 ... but it's all good, I think 15:33:05 ... but it was an interesting exercise 15:33:20 ... mostly moved stuff a around a bit 15:33:33 https://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/index.en.html 15:35:39 ack r12a 15:36:02 ack xfq 15:36:07 r12a: Gwendoline Clavé is the translator 15:36:12 https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/13 15:36:13 https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/13 -> Issue 13 Broken links (by xfq) 15:36:18 (thanks from the working group!!) 15:38:52 xfq: @@1 15:39:14 action: xfq: add localizable content definition to the glossary 15:39:22 Created -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57 15:40:19 rrsagent, make minutes 15:40:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html xfq 15:51:50 zakim, who is here? 15:51:50 Present: Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, r12a, Richard, Bert, JcK 15:51:51 On IRC I see JcK, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, gb, Zakim, gonzu_15, BoKilgore, imlostlmao, Github, MojGraph, clafase, James1, florian, eemeli, fantasai, sangwhan, 15:51:51 ... hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, astearns, Rachael, koji, Mek, cwilso, alastairc, csarven, agendabot, Bert, hsivonen 15:51:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison 15:53:47 action: addison: revise localizable-manifests in light of tpac conversation and new explainer 15:53:48 Created -> action #58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58 15:53:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison 16:37:03 zakim, bye 16:37:03 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, r12a, Richard, Bert, JcK 16:37:03 Zakim has left #i18n