IRC log of wot on 2023-11-01
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-irc
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- meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool
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- chair: McCool, Koster
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- regrets+ Sebastian
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- present+ Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
- 12:07:32 [mjk]
- scribenick: mjk
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- topic: new member announcement - HiveMQ has joined
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- topic: minutes review
- 12:08:34 [luca_barbato]
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- 12:08:43 [kaz]
- i/minutes review/mm: HiveMQ has just joined W3C and WoT, but it's a holiday in Germany today. So maybe next week./
- 12:08:54 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html Oct-25
- 12:09:00 [mjk]
- mm: any comments or objections for the minutes from October 25?
- 12:09:05 [kaz]
- present+ Luca_Barbato
- 12:09:15 [mjk]
- mm: no objections, publish
- 12:09:21 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:09:45 [McCool]
- https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08b9bb73-d0f9-4c51-b45e-343f966b1395/
- 12:09:46 [mjk]
- topic: notices
- 12:10:48 [kaz]
- s/topic: notices//
- 12:10:54 [kaz]
- i/1395/topic: notices/
- 12:10:55 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:10:57 [mjk]
- kaz: we need to discuss how comments and feedback from the CG makes it back to the WG
- 12:11:57 [mjk]
- subtopic: cancellations
- 12:12:17 [mjk]
- mm: the last meeting day of the year will be December 21
- 12:12:39 [mjk]
- mm: please noter TF call cancellations here
- 12:12:45 [mjk]
- subtopic: schedule
- 12:13:08 [mjk]
- mm: chairs have reviewed the schedule and made some updates
- 12:13:13 [dezell]
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- present+ David_Ezell
- 12:13:40 [mjk]
- ... today we hope to finalize the RER transition and Press release
- 12:13:47 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:13:55 [mjk]
- ... the transitiojn date would be November 9th
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- s/transitiojn/transition
- 12:14:16 [mjk]
- mm: any comments?
- 12:14:44 [mjk]
- kaz: we need to follow up with Ege to see if the corrections have been made into a PR
- 12:15:23 [mjk]
- mm: let's assume we will have a TD PR and merge the updated schedule PR
- 12:15:40 [mjk]
- ... PR #1153 merged
- 12:15:43 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:15:53 [kaz]
- s/corrections/picture corrections/
- 12:16:22 [mjk]
- ... the PR for figure update is #1913 and still open
- 12:16:44 [mjk]
- topic: time zone changes
- 12:17:30 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 12:17:35 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:17:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:17:46 [mjk]
- mm: daylight savings time is changing differently in different places, and will wait until all changes occur before changing the meeting schedule
- 12:18:12 [kaz]
- i/HiveMQ has/scribenick: kaz/
- 12:18:16 [mjk]
- mm: we need to shift the Discovery TF call schedule
- 12:18:20 [kaz]
- i/any comments/scribenick: mjk/
- 12:18:22 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:19:00 [mjk]
- s/topic/subtopic
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- topic: planning
- 12:19:19 [mjk]
- mm: we still need to finalize the policies, will discuss during th efirst hour of the main call next week
- 12:19:53 [mjk]
- ... we are waiting for updated policies from W3C on project management
- 12:20:09 [mjk]
- ... Plugfest Berlin June 2024
- 12:20:13 [mjk]
- topic: charter
- 12:20:21 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:20:34 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:21:08 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:21:13 [mjk]
- mm: IG charter is due to expire, we need to finish the new charter by the 15th
- 12:21:38 [mjk]
- kaz: we need to clarify what will be done by the IG and what will be done by the CG
- 12:22:20 [mjk]
- ... we should think about the task list of each group first, then decide if we need the IG
- 12:22:41 [kaz]
- ack k
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- q+
- 12:24:14 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:25:26 [kaz]
- mm: would like to suggest we switch the meeting schedule
- 12:25:42 [kaz]
- ... and talk about IG Charter next week (by 2-hour meeting)
- 12:25:55 [kaz]
- ... and then talk about policies on Nov 15
- 12:26:21 [mjk_]
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- scribenick: mjk_
- 12:26:54 [McCool]
- proposal: Schedule a 2h call to discuss policies on Nov 15 and a 2h call to discuss the IG charter on Nov 8.
- 12:27:04 [McCool]
- resolution: Schedule a 2h call to discuss policies on Nov 15 and a 2h call to discuss the IG charter on Nov 8.
- 12:27:25 [kaz]
- i/would like to s/scribenick: kaz/
- 12:27:29 [mjk_]
- (no objections)
- 12:27:57 [kaz]
- topic: 1.1 REC
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- s/REC/RECs/
- 12:28:03 [kaz]
- subtopic: TD 1.1
- 12:28:13 [kaz]
- mm: we made a resolution for publication last week
- 12:28:30 [kaz]
- ... but apparently there is some problem with the figures
- 12:28:54 [kaz]
- ... note that figures are basically informative, so we can fix them
- 12:29:21 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1913 wot-thing-description PR 1913 - TD Figures Update
- 12:29:46 [kaz]
- mm: updates for PNGs/SVGs
- 12:30:09 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:30:31 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:30:55 [kaz]
- kaz: yes, as McCool mentioned, figures are informative and we can fix them
- 12:31:25 [kaz]
- ... but we need to make sure all the updated figures are CORRECT before publication
- 12:31:34 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:31:35 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:32:26 [kaz]
- mm: Koster, can we confirm the updated figures are correct?
- 12:32:43 [kaz]
- mjk: not really involved in this change...
- 12:32:58 [kaz]
- kaz: technically, we need to check with Ege, so may need to wait until tomorrow
- 12:33:07 [kaz]
- mm: don't want until tomorrow...
- 12:33:21 [kaz]
- ... maybe we can quickly skim the figures by ourselves?
- 12:34:32 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:34:43 [kaz]
- mjk: need to review the details
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- ... during the TD call
- 12:36:13 [dezell_]
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- q+
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- ack k
- 12:37:20 [kaz]
- kaz: technically, we need to look into the original TTL file as the source
- 12:37:29 [kaz]
- ... and for that purpose, we need have Ege as well
- 12:37:50 [kaz]
- ... so would like to suggest we review this PR during the TD coordination call tomorrow with both Ege and Koster
- 12:38:11 [kaz]
- ... we can still make a preliminary resolution mentioning that final review today
- 12:38:13 [kaz]
- mm: yeah
- 12:38:14 [McCool]
- proposal: Authorize the TD editors to update and merge TD PR#1913 to update the information model figures prior to REC transition.
- 12:38:53 [McCool]
- resolution: Authorize the TD editors to update and merge TD PR#1913 to update the information model figures prior to REC transition.
- 12:40:04 [kaz]
- mm: also would like to give comments to the PR 1913 itself too
- 12:41:33 [kaz]
- present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
- 12:41:53 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:42:00 [matsuda]
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1913#issuecomment-1788893985 McCool's comments
- 12:48:31 [kaz]
- mm: there is another editorial fix on Thing Model
- 12:48:59 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1912 wot-thing-description PR 1912 - TM Regex fix
- 12:49:28 [kaz]
- mm: (gives comments)
- 12:49:42 [kaz]
- ... updates for TD 2.0 or 1.1?
- 12:50:01 [kaz]
- ... need clear resolution for this change, I think
- 12:50:12 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1912#issuecomment-1788900269 McCool's comments
- 12:50:19 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:50:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:50:40 [kaz]
- i/any comments or/scribenick: mjk/
- 12:50:41 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:50:43 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:51:20 [kaz]
- s/topic: charter/topic: IG charter/
- 12:51:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
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- i/we made a resolu/scribenick: kaz/
- 12:51:27 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:52:05 [kaz]
- topic: Related Resources
- 12:52:24 [kaz]
- mm: need confirmation from PLH and the Webmaster
- 12:52:28 [kaz]
- ... any response?
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- kaz: not yet
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- q+
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- ack k
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- topic: Press Release
- 12:54:25 [kaz]
- mm: we want to publish the RECs along with the Press Release in one week or so
- 12:54:46 [kaz]
- ... so let's see the updated draft now
- 12:55:16 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/MARKETING/PressReleaseDrafts/2023/draft.md draft Press Release (draft.md)
- 12:55:22 [kaz]
- mm: (goes through the draft)
- 12:55:55 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:56:57 [kaz]
- ... (goes through the latest PR, which has been merged, too)
- 12:57:10 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1148 wot PR 1148 - Mention examples of commercial adoption
- 12:57:12 [kaz]
- q?
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- ack k
- 13:02:47 [kaz]
- kaz: I've checked with Kasuya-san about Takena's system name
- 13:03:55 [kaz]
- ... but I'm afraid it might not be good to mention concrete product names of non-Member implementers within the Press Release
- 13:04:10 [kaz]
- ... let's ask Coralie about opinion about that
- 13:04:30 [McCool]
- proposal: Proceed with current draft of Press Release, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom.
- 13:04:55 [McCool]
- proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom.
- 13:04:59 [kaz]
- i/proposal/... maybe we need to make those product names of non-Members more generic names like "a building management system" in the end./
- 13:05:51 [McCool]
- proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names.
- 13:05:53 [kaz]
- i|proposal|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1154 wot PR 1154 - Update Press Release|
- 13:06:14 [McCool]
- proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including (merged) PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names.
- 13:06:19 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:06:39 [McCool]
- resolution: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including (merged) PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names.
- 13:07:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:07:19 [kaz]
- topic: TPAC minutes
- 13:07:23 [kaz]
- mm: we're out of time
- 13:07:30 [kaz]
- ... so let's finalize the TPAC minutes next week
- 13:07:49 [kaz]
- topic: TD call today?
- 13:08:01 [kaz]
- kaz: Koster, do you want to have the TD call today without Ege?
- 13:08:14 [kaz]
- mjk: concerned about my network connection too
- 13:08:23 [kaz]
- ... also we need sufficient reviewers
- 13:09:27 [kaz]
- kaz: people can join the TD coordination call, which starts at 2pm CEST tomorrow
- 13:09:46 [kaz]
- mm: Koster, why don't you send out an invitation for that purpose?
- 13:10:31 [kaz]
- mjk: ok
- 13:10:33 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 13:11:27 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
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