12:00:49 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:00:54 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-irc 12:00:57 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:01:16 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool 12:01:24 chair: McCool, Koster 12:01:29 regrets+ Sebastian 12:01:44 mjk has joined #wot 12:02:10 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:03:21 present+ Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:04:54 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:05:19 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:07:32 scribenick: mjk 12:07:59 topic: new member announcement - HiveMQ has joined 12:08:06 topic: minutes review 12:08:34 luca_barbato has joined #wot 12:08:43 i/minutes review/mm: HiveMQ has just joined W3C and WoT, but it's a holiday in Germany today. So maybe next week./ 12:08:54 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html Oct-25 12:09:00 mm: any comments or objections for the minutes from October 25? 12:09:05 present+ Luca_Barbato 12:09:15 mm: no objections, publish 12:09:21 q+ 12:09:45 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08b9bb73-d0f9-4c51-b45e-343f966b1395/ 12:09:46 topic: notices 12:10:48 s/topic: notices// 12:10:54 i/1395/topic: notices/ 12:10:55 ack k 12:10:57 kaz: we need to discuss how comments and feedback from the CG makes it back to the WG 12:11:57 subtopic: cancellations 12:12:17 mm: the last meeting day of the year will be December 21 12:12:39 mm: please noter TF call cancellations here 12:12:45 subtopic: schedule 12:13:08 mm: chairs have reviewed the schedule and made some updates 12:13:13 dezell has joined #wot 12:13:22 present+ David_Ezell 12:13:40 ... today we hope to finalize the RER transition and Press release 12:13:47 q+ 12:13:55 ... the transitiojn date would be November 9th 12:14:10 s/transitiojn/transition 12:14:16 mm: any comments? 12:14:44 kaz: we need to follow up with Ege to see if the corrections have been made into a PR 12:15:23 mm: let's assume we will have a TD PR and merge the updated schedule PR 12:15:40 ... PR #1153 merged 12:15:43 ack k 12:15:53 s/corrections/picture corrections/ 12:16:22 ... the PR for figure update is #1913 and still open 12:16:44 topic: time zone changes 12:17:30 rrsagent, make log public 12:17:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:17:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:17:46 mm: daylight savings time is changing differently in different places, and will wait until all changes occur before changing the meeting schedule 12:18:12 i/HiveMQ has/scribenick: kaz/ 12:18:16 mm: we need to shift the Discovery TF call schedule 12:18:20 i/any comments/scribenick: mjk/ 12:18:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:00 s/topic/subtopic 12:19:00 topic: planning 12:19:19 mm: we still need to finalize the policies, will discuss during th efirst hour of the main call next week 12:19:53 ... we are waiting for updated policies from W3C on project management 12:20:09 ... Plugfest Berlin June 2024 12:20:13 topic: charter 12:20:21 q+ 12:20:34 ack k 12:21:08 q+ 12:21:13 mm: IG charter is due to expire, we need to finish the new charter by the 15th 12:21:38 kaz: we need to clarify what will be done by the IG and what will be done by the CG 12:22:20 ... we should think about the task list of each group first, then decide if we need the IG 12:22:41 ack k 12:23:20 q+ 12:24:14 ack k 12:25:26 mm: would like to suggest we switch the meeting schedule 12:25:42 ... and talk about IG Charter next week (by 2-hour meeting) 12:25:55 ... and then talk about policies on Nov 15 12:26:21 mjk_ has joined #wot 12:26:47 scribenick: mjk_ 12:26:54 proposal: Schedule a 2h call to discuss policies on Nov 15 and a 2h call to discuss the IG charter on Nov 8. 12:27:04 resolution: Schedule a 2h call to discuss policies on Nov 15 and a 2h call to discuss the IG charter on Nov 8. 12:27:25 i/would like to s/scribenick: kaz/ 12:27:29 (no objections) 12:27:57 topic: 1.1 REC 12:27:59 s/REC/RECs/ 12:28:03 subtopic: TD 1.1 12:28:13 mm: we made a resolution for publication last week 12:28:30 ... but apparently there is some problem with the figures 12:28:54 ... note that figures are basically informative, so we can fix them 12:29:21 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1913 wot-thing-description PR 1913 - TD Figures Update 12:29:46 mm: updates for PNGs/SVGs 12:30:09 q+ 12:30:31 ack k 12:30:55 kaz: yes, as McCool mentioned, figures are informative and we can fix them 12:31:25 ... but we need to make sure all the updated figures are CORRECT before publication 12:31:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:31:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:32:26 mm: Koster, can we confirm the updated figures are correct? 12:32:43 mjk: not really involved in this change... 12:32:58 kaz: technically, we need to check with Ege, so may need to wait until tomorrow 12:33:07 mm: don't want until tomorrow... 12:33:21 ... maybe we can quickly skim the figures by ourselves? 12:34:32 q+ 12:34:43 mjk: need to review the details 12:34:50 ... during the TD call 12:36:13 dezell_ has joined #wot 12:36:16 q+ 12:36:52 ack k 12:37:20 kaz: technically, we need to look into the original TTL file as the source 12:37:29 ... and for that purpose, we need have Ege as well 12:37:50 ... so would like to suggest we review this PR during the TD coordination call tomorrow with both Ege and Koster 12:38:11 ... we can still make a preliminary resolution mentioning that final review today 12:38:13 mm: yeah 12:38:14 proposal: Authorize the TD editors to update and merge TD PR#1913 to update the information model figures prior to REC transition. 12:38:53 resolution: Authorize the TD editors to update and merge TD PR#1913 to update the information model figures prior to REC transition. 12:40:04 mm: also would like to give comments to the PR 1913 itself too 12:41:33 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:41:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:41:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:42:00 matsuda has joined #wot 12:44:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1913#issuecomment-1788893985 McCool's comments 12:48:31 mm: there is another editorial fix on Thing Model 12:48:59 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1912 wot-thing-description PR 1912 - TM Regex fix 12:49:28 mm: (gives comments) 12:49:42 ... updates for TD 2.0 or 1.1? 12:50:01 ... need clear resolution for this change, I think 12:50:12 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1912#issuecomment-1788900269 McCool's comments 12:50:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:50:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:50:40 i/any comments or/scribenick: mjk/ 12:50:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:50:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:51:20 s/topic: charter/topic: IG charter/ 12:51:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:51:27 i/we made a resolu/scribenick: kaz/ 12:51:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:52:05 topic: Related Resources 12:52:24 mm: need confirmation from PLH and the Webmaster 12:52:28 ... any response? 12:52:30 kaz: not yet 12:52:58 q+ 12:53:34 ack k 12:53:47 topic: Press Release 12:54:25 mm: we want to publish the RECs along with the Press Release in one week or so 12:54:46 ... so let's see the updated draft now 12:55:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/MARKETING/PressReleaseDrafts/2023/draft.md draft Press Release (draft.md) 12:55:22 mm: (goes through the draft) 12:55:55 q+ 12:56:57 ... (goes through the latest PR, which has been merged, too) 12:57:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1148 wot PR 1148 - Mention examples of commercial adoption 12:57:12 q? 13:01:16 ack k 13:02:47 kaz: I've checked with Kasuya-san about Takena's system name 13:03:55 ... but I'm afraid it might not be good to mention concrete product names of non-Member implementers within the Press Release 13:04:10 ... let's ask Coralie about opinion about that 13:04:30 proposal: Proceed with current draft of Press Release, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. 13:04:55 proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. 13:04:59 i/proposal/... maybe we need to make those product names of non-Members more generic names like "a building management system" in the end./ 13:05:51 proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names. 13:05:53 i|proposal|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1154 wot PR 1154 - Update Press Release| 13:06:14 proposal: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including (merged) PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names. 13:06:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:06:39 resolution: Proceed with publication of current draft of Press Release, after REC transition, including (merged) PR#1154, but subject to approval and edits by W3C Marcom. Marcom may, at their discretion, replace product names of non-members with generic names. 13:07:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:07:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:07:19 topic: TPAC minutes 13:07:23 mm: we're out of time 13:07:30 ... so let's finalize the TPAC minutes next week 13:07:49 topic: TD call today? 13:08:01 kaz: Koster, do you want to have the TD call today without Ege? 13:08:14 mjk: concerned about my network connection too 13:08:23 ... also we need sufficient reviewers 13:09:27 kaz: people can join the TD coordination call, which starts at 2pm CEST tomorrow 13:09:46 mm: Koster, why don't you send out an invitation for that purpose? 13:10:31 mjk: ok 13:10:33 [adjourned] 13:11:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:11:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:22:28 benfrancis has joined #wot 15:02:29 TallTed has joined #wot 15:19:57 Zakim has left #wot 15:56:06 bkardell_ has joined #wot 16:00:58 gkellogg has joined #wot 17:14:43 gkellogg has joined #wot 17:47:09 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:38:26 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:09:03 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:52:40 gkellogg has joined #wot 22:12:47 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:27:31 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:47:08 gkellogg has joined #wot