IRC log of rqtf on 2023-11-01

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:26:16 [jasonjgw]
meeting: Research Questions Task Force meeting
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present+
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chair: jasonjgw
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agenda?
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agenda?
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agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Accessibility of CAPTCHA.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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13:03:04 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:39 [scott_h]
jason: issues agreed last week to add
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teatment of generative machine lerning envrionments
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integrated envrionments in collaboration tools
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janina: mentioned accessibility checkers still an issue?
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may have collaborative aspects
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some issues interrelated, e.g. ability to get summaries - generative AI
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suggests APIs shoudl be developed
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raja: on zoom, can get summary and AI optin but have to tell admin
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interesting and relevant
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janina: yes, have used in some meetings that zoom provides in paid version
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could request it
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raja: tehre's bias in AI models sometimes
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want to add someting that reflects us in meetings
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can we choose our own AI?
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janina: not up to us to name systm, but need to note how accessibility fits in
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jason: potential issues we can raise
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can dicuss relaitonship between genrative machine learning systems and prompting/review expected of content with accessibility features
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e.g. ATAG expations of reivew and prompting of text alternatives, etc
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if auto-generated audio, ggraphical content, subject to same expectations
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authors shoudl be promopted
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additionally, may be to generatively crate accessibilit
13:14:04 [janina]
Recommending a book, "The Alignment Problem," Wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alignment_Problem
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e.g. captions, alt text, etc
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also generative systems ccome in different forms: server cluster, some local, some may combine the two,
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so any solution shoudl be capable of implemenaiton regardless of where machine learning is executed
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scott: can we separate AI summaries generallyu,
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e.g. Microsoft co-pilot, compared to specific collaboration tool?
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jason: comment summaires, review summaires as suggested summaries coudl be speciifc CT example so AI processes before human approved
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raja: could roy provide uique words for interpreters on AI terms
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AI, collaboraiton tools, Microsoft, PowerPoint
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jason: terminology in the agenda
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interpreter: do get definition list regularly
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raja: when Microsoft powerpoint sees slides, automated captions becomes more accurate
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assumption is that increasing the predictability
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jaspon: in relaiton to collaboration tools, can create long language prompts for machine learning
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so background info can be put into prompte that influences what it does in dialogue
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i.e. primed with mateirl before generating
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secondly, Google and Microsoft developing systems that take into account organisaitons' content
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i.e. not just the one your'e working on
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janina: we can get a demo of this if group is intersted
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janina to follow up on possible demo with Lionel
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jason: back to CTAUR< will keep working on both issues
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should say something about automated AI generated summaries
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other themes?
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janina: will spend more itme,
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will continue working on it
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formal liason to COGA - David Swallow
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Media Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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janina: media intreest group rechartered
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jason: APA made initial comments on broadcasitn gproposal
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going to several standar documents
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MAUR: still gathering updates at the moment
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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jason: some references added
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planning to contact W3C security gorups
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janina: Lionelmay be able to contribute
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goal: up to date when we move to publicaiton wth industry expectaiton
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:41:14 [scott_h]
jason: announcement from Google - features using automatically created summaires of long web pages with links to sources
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so summary poitns back to oriignal URI
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raja: does it need to be a different type of usmmary depending on learning and language, e.g. ESL vs cogntiive disability
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can we look at that in RQTF?
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janina; yes, different summaires are needed and feedback is going into these processes
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our liason can help progress this for RQTF
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janina: time zone chnages in north america
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Scott apology for next week
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zakim, end meeting
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