IRC log of rqtf on 2023-11-01
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
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- meeting: Research Questions Task Force meeting
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- present+
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- agenda?
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Accessibility of CAPTCHA.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:03:39 [scott_h]
- jason: issues agreed last week to add
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- teatment of generative machine lerning envrionments
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- integrated envrionments in collaboration tools
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- janina: mentioned accessibility checkers still an issue?
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- may have collaborative aspects
- 13:06:01 [scott_h]
- some issues interrelated, e.g. ability to get summaries - generative AI
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- suggests APIs shoudl be developed
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- raja: on zoom, can get summary and AI optin but have to tell admin
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- interesting and relevant
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- janina: yes, have used in some meetings that zoom provides in paid version
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- could request it
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- raja: tehre's bias in AI models sometimes
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- want to add someting that reflects us in meetings
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- can we choose our own AI?
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- janina: not up to us to name systm, but need to note how accessibility fits in
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- jason: potential issues we can raise
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- can dicuss relaitonship between genrative machine learning systems and prompting/review expected of content with accessibility features
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- e.g. ATAG expations of reivew and prompting of text alternatives, etc
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- if auto-generated audio, ggraphical content, subject to same expectations
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- authors shoudl be promopted
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- additionally, may be to generatively crate accessibilit
- 13:14:04 [janina]
- Recommending a book, "The Alignment Problem," Wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alignment_Problem
- 13:14:08 [scott_h]
- e.g. captions, alt text, etc
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- also generative systems ccome in different forms: server cluster, some local, some may combine the two,
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- so any solution shoudl be capable of implemenaiton regardless of where machine learning is executed
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- scott: can we separate AI summaries generallyu,
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- e.g. Microsoft co-pilot, compared to specific collaboration tool?
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- jason: comment summaires, review summaires as suggested summaries coudl be speciifc CT example so AI processes before human approved
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- raja: could roy provide uique words for interpreters on AI terms
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- AI, collaboraiton tools, Microsoft, PowerPoint
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- jason: terminology in the agenda
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- interpreter: do get definition list regularly
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- raja: when Microsoft powerpoint sees slides, automated captions becomes more accurate
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- assumption is that increasing the predictability
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- jaspon: in relaiton to collaboration tools, can create long language prompts for machine learning
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- so background info can be put into prompte that influences what it does in dialogue
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- i.e. primed with mateirl before generating
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- secondly, Google and Microsoft developing systems that take into account organisaitons' content
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- i.e. not just the one your'e working on
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- janina: we can get a demo of this if group is intersted
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- janina to follow up on possible demo with Lionel
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- jason: back to CTAUR< will keep working on both issues
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- should say something about automated AI generated summaries
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- other themes?
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- janina: will spend more itme,
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- will continue working on it
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- formal liason to COGA - David Swallow
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Media Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- janina: media intreest group rechartered
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- jason: APA made initial comments on broadcasitn gproposal
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- going to several standar documents
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- MAUR: still gathering updates at the moment
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Accessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- jason: some references added
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- planning to contact W3C security gorups
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- janina: Lionelmay be able to contribute
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- goal: up to date when we move to publicaiton wth industry expectaiton
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:41:14 [scott_h]
- jason: announcement from Google - features using automatically created summaires of long web pages with links to sources
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- so summary poitns back to oriignal URI
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- raja: does it need to be a different type of usmmary depending on learning and language, e.g. ESL vs cogntiive disability
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- can we look at that in RQTF?
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- janina; yes, different summaires are needed and feedback is going into these processes
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- our liason can help progress this for RQTF
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- janina: time zone chnages in north america
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- Scott apology for next week
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- zakim, end meeting
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