IRC log of maturity on 2023-11-01
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
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- meeting: Maturity Model
- 14:50:18 [Fazio]
- chair, Fazio
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- chair: Fazio
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- agenda+ new business
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- agenda+ Equity Considerations Estimate
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- Agenda+ MM Draft usability update
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- Agenda + GitHub Issue #145 Linking would make it easier to use
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- /issues/145 -> #145
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- Agenda + GitHub Issue #153 The effectiveness of knowledge/skill acquisition should be measured
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- /issues/153 -> #153
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- Agenda+ Github Issue #83 Section 3.7.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Culture: proof points vs. ratings mismatch
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- /issues/83 -> #83
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- Agenda+ Github Issue #85 Inconsistencies in Inactive ratings for various dimensions
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- /issues/85 -> #85
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- present+
- 14:59:23 [Fazio]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe+
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- present+
- 15:04:08 [CharlesL]
- agenda?
- 15:04:10 [gb]
- /issues/145 -> #145
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- /issues/153 -> #153
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- /issues/83 -> #83
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- /issues/85 -> #85
- 15:04:28 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- new business -- taken up [from Fazio]
- 15:05:27 [CharlesL]
- q+
- 15:06:18 [stacey]
- ack Charles
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- Charles: updated spreadsheet with summary, pulling data and scores.
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- Sheri: that's awesome
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Equity Considerations Estimate -- taken up [from Fazio]
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- zakim, who is here
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- Lionel_Wolberger, you need to end that query with '?'
- 15:09:34 [stacey]
- Sheri: quick run through, trying to nbuild framework for which dimensions need new evidence/proof points for equity and sustainability. Dozen proof points that would be required, might need subproof points. Five require between 1-3 sets of proof points.
- 15:09:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: sheribyrne, Fazio, CharlesL, stacey, janina
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- On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, janina, CharlesL, stacey, sheribyrne, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, gb, kevin, alastairc
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- present+
- 15:10:11 [stacey]
- Sheri: would like to continue working on this. Can work with equity/sustainability group to flesh this out.
- 15:15:14 [stacey]
- Sheri: the ones most impacted, procurement, personnel, communications, and knowledge and skills
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- Sheri: not a super heavy lift, the decision is do we want to do it, not how do we do it
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- Lionel: can we aim for simplicity?
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- Sheri: that might mean us adding it. Every time we make a change to ours, they'd have to make a change to theirs...
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- Janina: we need it in a single document to succeed
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- continued: anything normative, it's W3C
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- David: is this maturity model for all W3C or just within WAI?
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- Janina: we want our model to be sustainable
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- continued: there's a little fast and loose around scope
- 15:18:39 [stacey]
- Sheri: we're using two different forms of the word sustainability. There's environment vs. the model. Not the same thing.
- 15:19:48 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- q+
- 15:19:54 [stacey]
- Janina: there's a coordination issue, needs to be figured out
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- Sheri: assessment is it's not that much work, the question is does it belong or not?
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- scribe+
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- Janina to take up issue with AGWG chairs
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- Fazio: we should also bring it up on the WAI coordination call
- 15:23:01 [sheribyrne]
- janina: do AGWG chairs first
- 15:25:48 [sheribyrne]
- Lionel_Wolberger: I think we have a clearer picture, we now understand impact. Do we want to create a pro / cons list?
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- q+
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- q-
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- Fazio: Model was designed to be extensible.
- 15:28:01 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: Cost doesn't matter
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- Q-
- 15:28:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- scribe+
- 15:28:34 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- sheribyrne: There are two sides to simplicity. (1) simple for the end users (2) simple for W3C to maintain it
- 15:28:44 [Fazio]
- +1
- 15:29:06 [sheribyrne]
- and W3C simplicity is more important, because we need to be able to maintain it or the users have nothing
- 15:29:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... and W3C simplicity is more important, because we need to be able to maintain it or the users have nothing
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-maturity-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
- 15:29:53 [sheribyrne]
- janina: we need to stay in scope and not jeopardize keeping the model moving forward
- 15:30:15 [stacey]
- q+
- 15:31:03 [sheribyrne]
- sheribyrne: we could filter based on accessibility, sustainability and equity in the tool. People could select the ones they want
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- q-
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- q-
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- ack Lionel_Wolberger
- 15:31:52 [sheribyrne]
- Lionel_Wolberger: do we need to write out the pros/cons?
- 15:32:02 [sheribyrne]
- janina: has what she needs for the AGWG conversation
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- ack stac
- 15:33:06 [sheribyrne]
- stacey: do we have definitions for equity and sustainability
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- Stacey: does equity and sustainability have firm definitions and are they focused on business maturity or a11y?
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- Sheri: equity...not a focus on a11y. It's on human aspect. Assuming sustainabiltiy is the same, but need to find out. How do you measure an initiative or software or meeting ie equitable
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- q+
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- ack da
- 15:35:03 [sheribyrne]
- ack Fazio
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- sheribyrne: q+
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- ack sheribyrne
- 15:35:59 [sheribyrne]
- We don't have a conflict, we just have a scoping decision to be made
- 15:36:04 [stacey]
- Janina: need to ask about scope/what's in and what's out
- 15:37:23 [Fazio]
- q+
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- ack Fazio
- 15:37:40 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: is this taking up too much of our time?
- 15:37:49 [sheribyrne]
- janina: yes, but we can't resolve it here
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- janina: and we can't tell them what to do
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- q+ sheribyrne
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- ack sheribyrne
- 15:41:38 [janina]
- https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/
- 15:42:04 [sheribyrne]
- The equity group is currently working on proof points/evidence that could be used either in our maturity model or an extension
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- MM Draft usability update -- taken up [from Fazio]
- 15:46:13 [sheribyrne]
- stacey: will get going on that next week, with Susi (possibly async)
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- GitHub Issue #145 Linking would make it easier to use -- taken up [from Fazio]
- 15:47:32 [gb]
- /issues/145 -> #145
- 15:47:54 [Fazio]
- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/145
- 15:47:55 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/145 -> Issue 145 Linking would make it easier to use (by clapierre)
- 15:48:14 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: will start assigning issues to people
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- sheribyrne: this issue is obsolete, it comes from when we were still working in the google doc
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- Fazio: lets close it then
- 15:49:25 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: action item - close everything that we've logged that is obsolete
- 15:49:49 [sheribyrne]
- sheribyrne: someone needs to close Jake's issues
- 15:50:24 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: I got 8 or 10 of them reviewed and closed
- 15:50:34 [sheribyrne]
- sheribyrne: that means there are about 20 remaining
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- sheribyrne: no one volunteered, so we will close them on this call
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- Zakim: next item
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- GitHub Issue #153 The effectiveness of knowledge/skill acquisition should be measured -- taken up [from Fazio]
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- /issues/153 -> #153
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- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/153
- 15:51:36 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/153 -> Issue 153 The effectiveness of knowledge/skill acquisition should be measured. (by jasonjgw)
- 15:52:19 [sheribyrne]
- sheribyrne: skip this one, we don't have enough time left on this call
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 was just opened, sheribyrne
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 6. Github Issue #83 Section 3.7.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Culture: proof points vs. ratings mismatch [from Fazio]
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- /issues/83 -> #83
- 15:53:34 [CharlesL]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- Github Issue #83 Section 3.7.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Culture: proof points vs. ratings mismatch -- taken up [from Fazio]
- 15:54:12 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: homework is to go through issues they've logged that are obsolete and close them
- 15:54:26 [sheribyrne]
- Fazio: I will try to go through Jake's editorial issues and address or close them
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- present+
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been sheribyrne, Fazio, CharlesL, stacey, janina, Lionel_Wolberger
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, Fazio; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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