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18:00:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
18:00:04 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Autoring Practices Task Force
18:00:08 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:00:20 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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18:00:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/31-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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18:04:02 <jugglinmike> scribe+ jugglinmike
18:04:21 <jugglinmike> Topic: Setup and Review Agenda
18:04:50 <jugglinmike> [Jem summarizes the agenda]
18:05:11 <jugglinmike> Jem: Before we get started, would anyone like to change this in some way?
18:05:28 <jugglinmike> Jem: Hearing none, we'll keep it as-is
18:05:34 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-31%2C-2023-Agenda
18:05:43 <jugglinmike> Topic: Setup and Review Agenda
18:05:58 <jugglinmike> Jem: We will meet next week, November 7
18:06:40 <jugglinmike> Jem: We're considering cancellations on November 14 (due to Matt_King's absense) and November 21 (due to the US holiday of Thanksgiving)
18:07:43 <jugglinmike> Jem: We'll decide about the 14th next week
18:09:01 <jugglinmike> Topic: Status of Site Updates
18:09:20 <jugglinmike> Jem: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2818 is ready for the next publication
18:09:44 <jugglinmike> Jem: The agenda lists another five patches which are ready for the next publication
18:10:13 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It doesn't seem like we're going to have many of those five complete this week
18:10:26 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I guess it depends on how much progress we make
18:11:08 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'd prefer to save the "keyboard" patch for last because it will touch so many pages
18:11:46 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Regard the feed example, we're still waiting on input from Alex on the iframe issue
18:12:10 <jugglinmike> s/Regard/Regarding/
18:12:36 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Alternatively, we could remove the iframe. I don't have a strong point of view on that
18:12:41 <jugglinmike> present+ arigilmore
18:13:03 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: I'm happy to wait for the solution for the iframe
18:13:21 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Yeah, I was kind of looking at it as an experiment for using iframes for all the examples
18:13:43 <jugglinmike> howard-e: I can take a look, though I've lost a bit of context
18:13:49 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: I can bring you up to speed
18:14:09 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm skeptical that we can have a substantial update ready by Monday
18:14:50 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: If we wait two weeks, we might be able to get some other items in
18:15:22 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I suggest that we don't push ourselves to publish next week, and that we target November 14, instead
18:15:26 <jugglinmike> Jem: That sounds good to me
18:15:41 <jugglinmike> Topic: PR 2839 - set aria-expanded false when menus are closed
18:15:58 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2839
18:16:09 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: I worked on this with Andrea
18:17:00 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: Oh, wait, no. Andrea worked on this alone
18:17:13 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: This is updating JavaScript, documentation, and tests
18:17:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't see any JavaScript changes here
18:18:36 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: I'll let Andrea know and see if she needs any help working on it
18:18:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Probably the more complicated part of this fix will be writing a test
18:19:21 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It at least won't be starting from scratch--there is already a test for setting aria-expanded to "true"
18:19:36 <jugglinmike> Jem: We eventually need a reviewer...
18:19:54 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's wait until we have the patch closer to ready
18:20:26 <jugglinmike> Topic: Issue 2501 - Rating slider redesign
18:20:49 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2831
18:21:03 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We assigned reviewers, and the primary thing that came up was related to the design review
18:22:51 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: I performed a visual review, and I found one issue. On mobile, the UI extends beyond the width of the page and triggers the rendering of a horizontal scroll bar
18:22:58 <jugglinmike> Jem: Good catch, arigilmore!
18:23:29 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: do you think you can address that soon, jongund?
18:23:30 <jugglinmike> present+ jongund
18:23:49 <jugglinmike> jongund: WCAG has target size requirements
18:24:41 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The minimum target size for AA is 24-by-24. We have 10 targets on this thing arranged horizontally
18:24:55 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That means the slider itself can't be less than 240 pixels
18:26:39 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: Could it become a vertical slider?
18:27:41 <jugglinmike> jongund: I would rather see a note explaining how to accommodate mobile devices
18:27:58 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It should still be functional on mobile, though...
18:28:13 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: What if we do make it scrunched down and failed WCAG on mobile, but it still works?
18:28:19 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Is that better?
18:35:11 <jamesn> (monitoring online) - the width of each of the targets is 48 - why can't they be made a little narrower and still pass wcag
18:36:43 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: We might not have a WCAG concern, here. It is still a slider--you can still drag along the spectrum of values
18:37:08 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: ...we just happen to be rendering the value "stops" with vertical lines
18:37:36 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: ...so while it appears as a row of ten buttons, it is still fundamentally a slider widget
18:37:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think jugglinmike may have a point there
18:38:53 <jugglinmike> jongund: What's the mobile viewport width that we're targetting, anyway?
18:39:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We don't have a specification for that
18:39:14 <jugglinmike> Jem: I typically test with the iPhone width
18:39:49 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm wondering if there should be something in our code guide on this topic
18:40:42 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I bet Carbon has some sort of spec for its responsive design requirements
18:41:21 <jamesn> we should support 1280 at 400% zoom - which equals 320
18:41:31 <jugglinmike> [arigilmore could not respond to this as she left the meeting]
18:41:56 <jugglinmike> Topic: Issue 2842 - Bug in modal dialog example when accessed on mobile
18:42:22 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2842
18:42:40 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We received both an issue and a pull request from this contributor--that's great!
18:43:12 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: But before we look at the patch, we should agree on whether this is truly a bug as raised
18:43:32 <jugglinmike> present+ siri
18:43:42 <jugglinmike> siri: It is somewhat subjective
18:44:28 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: can others reproduce whatever is in the provided screen shot?
18:50:37 <jugglinmike> [the group works to reproduce the problem, eventually discovering that is occurs in a nested modal dialog]
18:51:14 <jugglinmike> jongund: There appears to be an unrelated problem--with touch, I can't close the dialog
18:51:26 <jugglinmike> howard-e: I can reproduce that, jongund
18:53:56 <jugglinmike> Jem: The patch solves the "obscuring button" problem. I'm using my mouse to confirm this, so I can't confirm touch
18:55:15 <jugglinmike> howard-e: I can confirm the fix as well. It also fixes "touch" for me (I'm using a simulated version of touch with my browser's developer tools)
18:55:24 <jugglinmike> howard-e: The best confirmation will be from a true mobile device
18:57:08 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think I can merge this fix because it is so simple. Even if it doesn't address the problem that jongund reported, I think it would still be worth merging
18:57:22 <jugglinmike> jongund: I can't verify with my phone right now
19:01:29 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
19:01:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jongund, jugglinmike, Daniel, howard-e, arigilmore, siri
19:01:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:01:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/31-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
19:01:38 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:06:23 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, leave
19:06:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items