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14:56:32 <dbooth> Meeting: FHIR RDF
14:56:32 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
15:10:56 <dbooth> Topic: Demo of FHIR RDF app by Tim Prudhomme
15:11:24 <dbooth> tim: All client-side JS.  Loading the whole FIHR ont.
15:11:54 <dbooth> ... Also loading all the examples, which slows it down.  13" Macbook.
15:12:45 <dbooth> jim: There's a JS lib to load all into an hdt file -- Header Dictionary Triples, compressed.
15:13:20 <dbooth> tim; I've used rdflib JS library, but right now doing this all in clojureScript.
15:13:54 <dbooth> ... Using Datalog queries, asami
15:14:05 <dbooth> ... Very similar to SPARQL.
15:14:24 <dbooth> ... This app has very little code that is specific to FHIR.  Almost all info is in the ont.
15:15:20 <dbooth> ... Using W5 RDF to organize the data.
15:15:38 <dbooth> ... It gives me quite a lot to work with.
15:15:58 <dbooth> ... Select a class, that shows instances.  Then select a patient instance, it shows info about that instance.
15:16:11 <dbooth> ... Can also do that for ingredient.
15:17:33 <dbooth> ... Right now the list of pt instances are only ID, name and DOB.  But could use summary info if it were available.
15:18:20 <dbooth> ... In pt instance it shows cardinality.
15:18:31 <dbooth> ... Plan to make it editable.
15:19:07 <dbooth> eric: Editing could issue a PR to github to update the example!
15:20:41 <dbooth> tim: Can use the domain and range to determine the type, when a property is added.
15:21:17 <dbooth> ... Not using shex yet.
15:21:30 <dbooth> ... Interested in using it for adding new relationshps.
15:22:25 <dbooth> ... The RDF and shex gives you everything you need to do most CRUD app work.
15:22:59 <dbooth> ... I think only the W5 groupings required FHIR-specific code.
15:32:06 <dbooth> eric: Familiar w FHIR REST API?
15:32:26 <dbooth> tim: yes.  THought about manip this data w/o making too many trips to the server.
15:32:59 <dbooth> ... Thought about how to make it scale to a real app.  Q: How are you persisting the data?  Could use triplestore, but don't need to.  Could use FHIR API.
15:34:28 <dbooth> dbooth: This could be a useful playground tool for browsing FHIR examples.
15:34:40 <dbooth> jim: Could you select the examples you want to load?
15:35:24 <dbooth> tim: Yes, could.
15:35:44 <dbooth> ... This is using clojureScript and datalog.
15:37:45 <dbooth> ... In terms of making this open source, JS might be easier for others.
15:38:15 <dbooth> ... I could maybe turn this into something that's being used w real healthcare data.   Maybe publish a paper about it.
15:38:46 <dbooth> ... Main idea for me is to avoid putting business logic into code.  Put that into RDF, load it as data.
15:39:26 <dbooth> dbooth: Current plans?
15:40:03 <dbooth> tim: Keep working on the interface.  Figure out how to load resources dynamically.
15:40:23 <dbooth> dbooth: Who would use the app and how?
15:40:44 <dbooth> tim: Not sure.  What an EHR would provide?
15:42:23 <dbooth> dbooth: Gives you very flexible data exploration.  Might be good for research purposes.
15:42:47 <dbooth> tim: Might have a little analytics model.
15:43:19 <dbooth> dbooth: At least show counts.
15:45:04 <dbooth> eric: Want to pick your brain on rendering nested objects
15:45:20 <dbooth> dbooth: Might be a good topic for a Yosemite Project webinar.
15:46:39 <dbooth> dbooth: How to handle non-FHIR data merged in?
15:46:51 <dbooth> eric: Could have SNOMED or other ont.
15:47:50 <dbooth> ... If you had env data, and ER data, and you tried to figure out from admission and diagnostics and correlation w pollutants, you might be able to say "When Sulfer dioxide is emitted, these people show up in ER a few days later".
15:48:06 <dbooth> ... A lot of it would be temporal and GIS data.
15:48:27 <dbooth> tim: How to display it?
15:49:13 <dbooth> dbooth: Does datacube have diplay info?
15:49:43 <dbooth> eric: It has catalogs.  Doesn't do what CSV-on-web of giving semantics.  Punted on that.
15:50:01 <dbooth> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/
15:51:14 <dbooth> eric: DDI gives you more.  https://ddialliance.org/Specification/RDF
15:54:16 <dbooth> Topic: ShEx for driving UI
15:54:22 <dbooth> (demo by eric)
15:55:43 <dbooth> eric; Shex annotations help in form generation.
15:56:27 <dbooth> ... It generates a form using that info.
15:58:42 <dbooth> .. .Then when you enter data, it checks it against the shex.
15:59:15 <dbooth> eric: You can also separate out the layout annotations, using shexPath to express them separately.
16:00:36 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
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16:18:46 <dbooth> Present: Tim Prudhomme, EricP, Jim Balhoff, David Booth
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