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11:49:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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12:00:53 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool
12:01:11 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
12:01:49 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_October_2023
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12:03:29 <Ege> brb
12:04:35 <kaz> s/brb//
12:04:44 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:06:50 <mahda-noura> Chair: McCool
12:07:04 <Ege> q+
12:07:23 <mahda-noura> ScribeNick: mahda-noura
12:07:57 <mahda-noura> Topic: Minutes
12:08:29 <mahda-noura> mm: objection to minutes?
12:08:32 <mahda-noura> (no)
12:08:44 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08b9bb73-d0f9-4c51-b45e-343f966b1395/
12:08:56 <kaz> i|Topic: Minutes|Topic: New Members|
12:09:11 <kaz> i|Topic: Minutes|mm: HiveMQ has just joined W3C and WoT.|
12:09:36 <kaz> i|Topic: Minutes|ek: unfortunately, they can't joint the main call today, though.|
12:10:13 <kaz> i|objection|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html Oct-18|
12:10:15 <mahda-noura> Topic: Scheduling
12:10:29 <mahda-noura> mm: Next Wednesday is holiday
12:10:48 <mahda-noura> mm: we have to figure out our press releases
12:11:02 <mahda-noura> mm: on Nov 1st we want to have a resolution on our press release
12:11:27 <mahda-noura> mm: Sebastian will be available offline
12:12:03 <mahda-noura> mm: if we can get the RECs and resources done today, then we have 2 weeks
12:12:31 <mahda-noura> mm: on nov 1st the meeting will be still hold, but some will not make it
12:12:42 <mahda-noura> Nov 23rd thanksgiving holidays
12:13:08 <mahda-noura> mm: Thursday 26th Oct the use case call is planned
12:13:17 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:13:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:14:06 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:14:45 <kaz> -> https://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html daylightsaving
12:14:50 <mahda-noura> ...this weekend is the daylight saving in the US, watch calander for things moving around for next week
12:15:18 <mahda-noura> ...anything else on schedule kaz?
12:15:35 <Ege> q+
12:15:37 <mahda-noura> kaz: I put the URL of the daylight saving
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12:16:01 <mahda-noura> mm: we will wait until after daylight saving changes are complete
12:16:23 <kaz> (European summertime ends on Oct 29; US DST ends on Nov 5)
12:16:32 <mahda-noura> ege: it seems that Thursday this exact slot seems to work with some other alternatives, but we will wait until the daylight savings
12:16:34 <kaz> q+
12:16:37 <kaz> ack e
12:17:52 <mahda-noura> kaz: As i responded by email, I may have confused but I have a call this time on Thursday
12:18:01 <kaz> s/may //
12:18:35 <mahda-noura> mm: tomorrow we have a use case call, I hope to have a template for use cases that can be applied to other topics
12:18:38 <kaz> s/I have confused/I was confused or I made you confused,/
12:18:44 <mahda-noura> ...any other discussions on scheduling?
12:18:48 <mahda-noura> (none)
12:18:53 <mahda-noura> Topic: Planning
12:18:55 <kaz> s/have a call/have a W3C Team-internal call/
12:19:18 <mahda-noura> mm: we are looking at a special meeting on Nov 8th for a policies meeting
12:19:28 <mahda-noura> ...you have two weeks to look at the PRs and suggest changes
12:19:57 <kaz> s/on Thursday/on Thursday. Probably it would be better to generate a Doodle to see people's availability for next week and after to avoid the confusion due to DST changes./
12:19:59 <mahda-noura> ...we have been told that there are thoughts on project management, at some point we should discuss this
12:20:11 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
12:20:20 <mahda-noura> mm: I hope to do this before Christmas
12:20:22 <kaz> q+
12:21:02 <mahda-noura> kaz: project management includes many topics, my suggestion is that we start with our own policy
12:21:03 <kaz> ack k
12:21:06 <mahda-noura> mm: yes I agree
12:21:18 <kaz> s/own policy/own policies./
12:21:36 <mahda-noura> ...we do need to think about how we want to do this
12:22:23 <kaz> q_
12:22:26 <mahda-noura> ...I updated the charter to the new template and copied it over and adapted it
12:22:28 <kaz> s/q_/q+
12:22:36 <kaz> s/q+//
12:22:37 <kaz> q+
12:23:00 <kaz> ack k
12:23:09 <mahda-noura> kaz: we have discussion about IG charter in the second slot for today?
12:23:19 <mahda-noura> ...maybe we can start with a brainstorming
12:23:34 <kaz> s/today?/today. right?/
12:23:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:56 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1149
12:24:23 <kaz> i/HiveMQ has/scribenick: kaz/
12:24:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:24:56 <mahda-noura> mm: I have been working on Discovery REC preparation
12:25:03 <kaz> s/topic: Scheduling/topic: Meeting Schedule/
12:25:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:23 <mahda-noura> ...the PRs has links to different things resolved
12:25:35 <kaz> i|objection to mi|scribenick: mahda-noura|
12:25:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:44 <mahda-noura> ...bunch of errors comming from external links
12:26:39 <mahda-noura> ...broken URL fixed
12:26:49 <kaz> i|we are looking|subtopic: Policies|
12:27:12 <kaz> i|we have been told|subtopic: Project Management|
12:27:14 <mahda-noura> ...in the history section about a workshop, used to be a hyperlink which went away
12:27:30 <kaz> i|I updated the charter|subtopic: IG Charter|
12:28:29 <mahda-noura> ...for each of the changes would like to have a resolution
12:28:30 <kaz> i|343f|topic: Quick updates|
12:28:47 <mahda-noura> ...anybody feels that we should go through them in detail?
12:28:51 <mahda-noura> (none)
12:29:02 <kaz> i|343f|ek: CG meeting on live coding on Nov 2|
12:29:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:29:32 <kaz> i|CG meeting|scribenick: kaz|
12:29:52 <kaz> i|Next Wednes|scribenick: mahda-noura|
12:29:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:04 <kaz> q+
12:30:25 <mahda-noura> ...kaz I am wondering about Pubrules, there is two formats for the date, and this doesn't apply to discovery rather Architecture, we have markup around the data
12:30:46 <mahda-noura> kaz: it might be because of the checkbox
12:31:21 <kaz> s/because of the checkbox/caused by the "Echidna ready" checkbox. Please uncheck it./
12:31:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:31:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:31 <kaz> (error is gone now)
12:32:07 <kaz> i|I have been working on|topic: Publications|
12:32:15 <kaz> i|I have been working on|subtopic: Specs|
12:32:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:32:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:24 <kaz> s/subtopic: Specs/subtopic: Discovery spec/
12:33:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:47 <McCool> proposal: Proceed with REC transition for current version of WoT Discovery in wot-discovery/publication/6-rec/Overview.html (rendered at https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/publication/6-rec/Overview.html)
12:34:15 <McCool> resolution: Proceed with REC transition for current version of WoT Discovery in wot-discovery/publication/6-rec/Overview.html (rendered at https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/publication/6-rec/Overview.html)
12:34:29 <kaz> i|I have been|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/519 REC Preparation v1|
12:34:44 <kaz> i|I have been|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/521 REC Preparation v2|
12:34:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:34:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:34:54 <kaz> subtopic: Architecture spec
12:35:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/934 REC Preparation v1
12:35:34 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/935 REC Preparation v2
12:35:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/938 REC Preparation v3
12:35:41 <mahda-noura> mm: we had again a set of broken links
12:36:17 <mahda-noura> mm: errata11 prefix to keep it consistent
12:36:25 <mahda-noura> ...updated publication data
12:37:04 <mahda-noura> ...used to say yearly workshop, removed the yearly
12:37:14 <kaz> i|errata|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/935#issue-1924667622 links of checkers' results|
12:37:14 <mahda-noura> ...some of the references, I updated the dates
12:37:47 <mahda-noura> ...update on the scripting API version
12:37:48 <kaz> q+
12:38:19 <mahda-noura> kaz: As a reminder on the wiki, there are two minor PRs for Architecture
12:38:34 <mahda-noura> As a reminder of what I have written on the wiki
12:38:51 <mahda-noura> mm: I'll add the PRs to the resolutions
12:39:03 <kaz> i|I'll|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/937 wot-architecture PR 937 - Replace to 'Custom devices' in Figure 31|
12:39:30 <mahda-noura> mm: what changed in the figure?
12:39:30 <kaz> i|I'll|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/932 wot-architecture PR 932 - Typo fix|
12:39:34 <mahda-noura> kaz: the product name
12:40:04 <kaz> s/the product name/the specific product name to be fixed as "custom device"/
12:40:19 <kaz> s/As a/As the/
12:40:39 <kaz> s/As a reminder of what I have written on the wiki//
12:40:53 <kaz> s/on the wiki/I put on the main call wiki/
12:41:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:41:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:41:43 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:42:09 <McCool> proposal: Proceed with REC transition for current version of WoT Architecture 1.1 in wot-architecture/publication/ver11/5-rec/Overview.html (rendered at https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/publication/ver11/5-rec/Overview.html) after including the two additional editorial PRs https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/937 and https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/932
12:42:30 <mahda-noura> mm: any further discussions?
12:42:45 <McCool> resolution: Proceed with REC transition for current version of WoT Architecture 1.1 in wot-architecture/publication/ver11/5-rec/Overview.html (rendered at https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/publication/ver11/5-rec/Overview.html) after including the two additional editorial PRs https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/937 and https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/932
12:42:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:42:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:43:06 <mahda-noura> mm: we have the resolutions done for the RECs
12:43:31 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/932 - merged
12:43:57 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/937 - merged
12:44:15 <kaz> q+
12:44:45 <kaz> ack k
12:45:36 <kaz> subtopic: WoT resources
12:46:24 <mahda-noura> mm: There is couple of PRs and an update to wot discovery 1.1 and then we are ready for resolution to publish them
12:46:35 <mahda-noura> ...we need to ask the W3C web master
12:46:45 <mahda-noura> kaz: did you have a chance to talk with the web master?
12:46:53 <kaz> s/There is/There are/
12:46:57 <mahda-noura> kaz: yes I have, but didn't get a response yet
12:47:15 <Ege> q+
12:47:46 <kaz> s/yes I have, but didn't get a response yet/yes, I did, but have not got a response yet./
12:48:12 <mahda-noura> ege: small fix that removed extra quotes, synchronizing whats in the TD, not reflected in the index.html
12:48:29 <mahda-noura> ...regarding the PR in the discovery, i think would be better to have same column names
12:49:16 <kaz> q+
12:49:18 <kaz> ack e
12:49:42 <mahda-noura> kaz: the existing PR themselves are fine, we should have some more discussions based on the merged results
12:50:12 <kaz> ack k
12:50:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:50:23 <mahda-noura> mm: the Publish WoT discovery v1 resource, it's nothing big just inconsistencies
12:50:46 <kaz> q+
12:53:33 <mahda-noura> mm: there is the draft keyword in the Readme for the wot-resources
12:53:41 <mahda-noura> ege: maybe I have removed this in the PR
12:55:00 <mahda-noura> mm: I swaped the columns in https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/blob/main/discovery/v1/README.md
12:55:50 <mahda-noura> ...for TD V1.0, the difference I noticed is that you use different titles, utf-8 thing
12:56:08 <mahda-noura> ...i can change the titles in the discovery to keep things consistent
12:56:21 <mahda-noura> ege: we are not sure what the web master needs, and would be good to get his opinion
12:56:33 <kaz> q?
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12:56:35 <mahda-noura> mm: lets wait for the web master and ask him what his preference is
12:56:56 <mahda-noura> a...any objection to remove the word Draft/
12:57:05 <kaz> s/a.../.../
12:57:20 <kaz> s|Draft/|"Draft"|
12:57:42 <McCool> proposal: Proceed with publication of the resources in wot-resources for discovery/v1, td/v1, and td/v1.1, subject to approval by the W3C webmaster.
12:57:48 <kaz> q?
12:58:23 <mahda-noura> kaz: if the content is stable enough, maybe we can remove the word Draft itself, I have some concerns when discussing with the web master
12:58:45 <Ege> q+
12:59:02 <kaz> ack k
12:59:32 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/blob/ege-td10and11-resources/td/v1.1/README.md TD resources
12:59:39 <kaz> s/TD r/TD 1.1 r/
12:59:52 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/432#issuecomment-493326214 TD 1.0 resources
13:00:15 <mahda-noura> ege: there is a note on the bottom of the README
13:00:25 <mahda-noura> mm: in general would say that it is a bad idea and would lead to inconsistent
13:01:27 <mahda-noura> mm: the table should have new URLs added, and you shouldn't be revising the old URLs
13:02:22 <mahda-noura> mm: the td V1 should have all the URLs for version 1.0
13:02:43 <mahda-noura> ...a seperate issue is that we are sharing the files
13:04:55 <mahda-noura> kaz: if we are okay with the new redirection setting, change the mechanism itself
13:05:11 <mahda-noura> mm: I also don't like the dates in the URL
13:05:32 <mahda-noura> ...I think we should leave the draft and make a issue about it
13:05:59 <mahda-noura> kaz: lets remove to the draft after getting the opinion from the web master
13:06:14 <mahda-noura> ...the solid group use the /ns approach
13:07:07 <kaz> s/from/from PLH and/
13:07:16 <kaz> s/web master/webmaster/
13:07:18 <mahda-noura> mm: having multiple URLs for multiple resources means that the resource is not unque, keeping both around won't be good
13:07:33 <kaz> s/unque/unique/
13:07:51 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/issues/9
13:07:52 <mahda-noura> mm: ege I made an issue, could you resolve it
13:08:05 <mahda-noura> ...lets aim the resolution for next week
13:08:29 <mahda-noura> Topic: Press Release
13:08:31 <kaz> s|change the mechanism itself|changing the redirection mechanism itself to /ns/wot approach would be nicer.|
13:09:27 <kaz> q+
13:09:31 <kaz> ack e
13:09:44 <mahda-noura> mm: we will be able to finalize the https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1148 next week
13:10:13 <mahda-noura> mm: testomonials have been merged
13:10:23 <mahda-noura> ...editorial changes merged
13:10:38 <kaz> i|testi|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1148 wot PR 1148 - WiP: Mention examples of commercial adoption|
13:10:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:11:06 <mahda-noura> mm: TPAC minutes, we have to do this next week, in the meantime take a look
13:11:15 <kaz> i/TPAC/topic: TPAC Minutes/
13:11:35 <mahda-noura> topic: Meetup
13:11:51 <mahda-noura> mm: planning for security in December
13:12:02 <cris_> q+
13:12:03 <mahda-noura> any of the TF have any quick updates?
13:12:04 <kaz> s/plann/WoT-JP CG is plann/
13:12:05 <kaz> ack k
13:12:43 <mahda-noura> ege: in marketing there was mis alignment, and we aligned them in the Wiki, Regarding OPC-UA they are in the review stage
13:13:08 <mahda-noura> mm: they are consumers of WoT tds?
13:13:10 <mahda-noura> ege: yes
13:13:10 <kaz> s/any of/mm: any of/
13:13:25 <kaz> i|any of|topic: TF Reports|
13:13:37 <kaz> s/mis alignment/misalignment/
13:13:46 <Ege> https://github.com/topics
13:13:48 <mahda-noura> cris: one thing coming from marketing, we found the feature of Tags in Github, for the coming weeks we will come up with a proposal
13:13:50 <kaz> s/tds/TDs/
13:13:55 <mahda-noura> mm: will it be a new policy?
13:14:17 <mahda-noura> cris: no, it will be used for tagging
13:14:35 <mahda-noura> mm: my understanding is that API is that it allows to get the latest post not the history
13:14:55 <mahda-noura> ege: there is 3 things we are looking at Twitter, Mastadone,...
13:14:55 <kaz> s/my understanding/Regarding Twitter, my understanding/
13:15:06 <mahda-noura> ... w3c is considering to leave Twitter
13:15:07 <kaz> s/there is/there are/
13:15:29 <mahda-noura> ege: Mastadone cannot be a replacement, the reach is less
13:15:37 <kaz> s/Mastadone/Mastodon/
13:15:58 <mahda-noura> ...for Linkedin, W3C doesn't want a new account rather group
13:16:23 <mahda-noura> mm: it sounds like there are some W3C changes that we should follow
13:16:36 <mahda-noura> ege: If you want we can discuss them in the next marketting call
13:17:06 <mahda-noura> mm: 10 minutes break, before we talk about the charter
13:18:37 <kaz> s/rather group/for groups/
13:18:52 <kaz> [10-min break]
13:19:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:19:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:19:09 <kaz> s/charter/IG Charter/
13:25:55 <kaz> q+
13:26:01 <kaz> ack c
13:26:04 <kaz> ack k
13:26:29 <dape> TOPIC: IG Charter
13:26:45 <dape> MMC: see PR in WoT, https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1149
13:27:05 <dape> ... should move it to charter-drafts
13:27:10 <kaz> i|see PR|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/12/wot-ig-2021.html Current WoT IG Charter|
13:27:23 <kaz> s/charter-drafts/wot-charter-drafts/
13:27:35 <dape> MMC: Using new template
13:27:43 <dape> ... content-wise it hasn't changed
13:28:10 <dape> ... mission statement should be synced with WG
13:28:30 <dape> scribe: dape
13:28:43 <kaz> i/see PR/scribenick: dape/
13:29:06 <dape> MMC: Note,  links don't work until merged
13:29:25 <dape> ... 2 years charter 1 Jan 2024 til 31 Dec 2025
13:29:44 <dape> ... kept Kaz as the only team contact
13:30:32 <dape> ... Motivation and Background section seems okay
13:31:07 <dape> ... maybe update background information to be consistent with WG
13:31:26 <dape> ... should also refer to new 1.1 documents
13:31:27 <kaz> i|Using|-> https://github.com/mmccool/wot/blob/ig-2023-draft-charter/charters/wot-ig-2023-draft.html wot-ig-2023-draft.html|
13:32:05 <dape> ... Section 2 Scope
13:32:32 <kaz> (McCool generates Issues on wot-charter-drafts repo expecting we'll move the draft IG Charter to that repo later)
13:32:33 <dape> ... Not sure if we want to mention WG
13:32:46 <dape> ... some parts relate to what CG does
13:32:57 <dape> ... use-case deliverable is not listed
13:32:57 <Ege> q+
13:33:04 <dape> ... we need some re-organization
13:33:04 <kaz> q+
13:33:25 <dape> EK: I think we should really be specific, mentioning uses-cases
13:33:46 <dape> ... is there a risk if we just have 2 items left
13:34:01 <dape> MMC: I think use-cases on its own would be useful
13:34:06 <kaz> ack e
13:34:29 <dape> ... we need to explain CG relationship
13:34:57 <dape> EK: What if use-cases come from CG, would that be a a problem?
13:35:33 <dape> ... CG contributing use-case to IG or WG ?
13:35:50 <dape> CA: I don't think there is much difference ...
13:36:21 <dape> Kaz: We need to clarify current role of IG, CG, WG
13:36:40 <dape> ... if there are important aspects left for IG we need new charter
13:37:05 <kaz> ack k
13:37:10 <dape> MMC: testing seems part of IG
13:37:11 <kaz> q+ Ege
13:37:32 <dape> EK: implementation report should be done by task forces
13:37:44 <dape> MMC: differentiate testing from PlugFest
13:37:47 <kaz> s/by ta/by the WG ta/
13:38:24 <dape> ... PlugFest: interop testing (WG) and experimentation (CG)
13:38:33 <dape> ... does not belong to IG, I think
13:38:36 <kaz> q?
13:38:38 <kaz> q+
13:38:40 <kaz> ack e
13:38:48 <dape> EK: Marketing?
13:38:50 <kaz> s/current role/current roles/
13:39:16 <dape> MMC: Yes, website is "owned" by IG
13:39:25 <dape> ... not sure about social media
13:39:39 <dape> MMC: IG could be a place for *new* ideas
13:40:38 <kaz> q?
13:41:01 <dape> EK: CG reports can propose new ideas
13:41:18 <dape> ... I think there is a process for transferring the ownership
13:41:37 <dape> Kaz: let's list existing tasks first
13:41:40 <kaz> ack k
13:42:09 <dape> MMC: In general I think we need an IG
13:42:16 <dape> ... but we can narrow the scope
13:42:36 <dape> ... let's follow up in Issue 122
13:43:00 <dape> ... 2.1 PlugFest and Testing
13:43:14 <dape> ... we need to re-organize this testing discussion
13:43:55 <dape> Kaz: supplementary work should be considered in charter
13:44:27 <kaz> s/work/work like implementation guidelines/
13:44:38 <dape> MMC: What about security and privacy guidelines document?
13:44:50 <kaz> ack k
13:44:50 <dape> ... not sure if this is an IG or WG thing
13:46:25 <dape> MMC: 2.2 Use Cases and Requirements
13:46:33 <dape> ... needs updates
13:46:52 <dape> ... last para needs to cleaned up also
13:47:53 <dape> ... 2.3 Marketing and Outreach
13:48:06 <dape> ... keep it for IG
13:48:20 <dape> ... daily business happening in CG
13:48:52 <dape> ... CG does outreach
13:49:03 <dape> ... IG mediates between WG and CG
13:49:08 <kaz> q+
13:49:41 <dape> Kaz: basic diagram should be updated to reflect the changes
13:49:46 <dape> MMC: Correct
13:49:46 <kaz> ack k
13:49:55 <dape> ... 3. Deliverables
13:50:26 <dape> ... some vagueness should be removed like "may be created"
13:51:23 <dape> EK: FYI: Security& Privacy is WG informative deliverable
13:51:44 <dape> MMC: 4. Coordination
13:51:52 <dape> ... we have old list
13:52:10 <dape> ... is there any liaison we want to mention
13:52:21 <dape> ... liaison  in general is WG
13:52:34 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/WoT/wg/ here it is wg but I am not sure why
13:53:37 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-usecases/
13:53:45 <dape> EK: Use-cases document. Link to latest published version is wrong
13:54:24 <dape> MMC: I think the main purpose of IG is use-cases
13:55:14 <dape> ... 5. Participation, 6, and 7. should be  consistent with WG
13:55:27 <dape> ... we might need to update those sections
13:55:49 <dape> EK: policy discussion for WG or IG ?
13:56:01 <dape> MMC: All WG discussions
13:56:21 <dape> ... rest is "boilerplate"
13:56:34 <dape> ... need to update charter history in section 10
13:56:57 <dape> MMC: Summary
13:57:01 <dape> .... 2 things in scope
13:57:07 <dape> ... use-cases document
13:57:12 <dape> ... website content
13:57:25 <kaz> q+
13:57:27 <dape> ... rest can be moved to CG or WG
13:58:16 <dape> Kaz: Good starting point
13:58:46 <dape> ... talking with PLH about XXX
13:59:15 <dape> q+
13:59:18 <kaz> ack k
13:59:20 <dape> ack dape
13:59:40 <dape> MMC: Should look at IG charter again in about 2 weeks
13:59:43 <kaz> s/... talking with PLH about XXX//
14:00:10 <dape> ... will try to clean up the recorded issues
14:00:13 <kaz> [adjounred]
14:00:15 <dape> adjourned
14:00:20 <kaz> s/[adjounred]//
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