Meeting minutes
fsasaki: Joining from SAP (?)
ora: This is an administrative meeting, like every other week. The other longer meetings are for getting actual work done.
<ktk> Zazkim, next item
ora: I heard last meeting was productive.
Scribe: Taelman, Ruben (alternate: Thibodeau, Ted)
Approval of minutes from the last two weeks:
niklasl: It was a good discussion. We need to talk about the charter in the next meeting. There are many conceptual convergences already.
ktk: After TPAC, we decided to have longer meetings every 2 weeks to go more in-depth on tech details. The shorter meeting is more focused on admin.
fsasaki: Same timeslot?
ktk: It starts one hour earlier.
ktk: Timezone change is coming up. For EU, it will be one hour later.
ora: In US, we don't change at the same time.
<pchampin> https://
TallTed: Don't do it in your head, use the calendar.
<pchampin> there is the W3C calendar for the WG (link above) - there is a link to an ICS feed that you can subscribe to in your favourite calendar app
<TallTed> https://
<pfps> two-weeks-ago minutes look fine to me.
<ora> PROPOSAL: approve minutes of October 5
<ktk> +1
<pchampin> +1
<pfps> +1
<gkellogg_> +1
<niklasl> +1
<TallTed> +0 (absent)
<AZ> +1
<ora> +1
+1
<Dominik_T> +0 (absent)
<AndyS> +1
<doerthe> +1
<tl> +0 (absent)
<olaf> +1
RESOLUTION: approve minutes of October 5
<ktk> https://
<ora> PROPOSAL: approve minutes of October 12
<gkellogg_> +1
<olaf> +1
<ktk> +1
<Dominik_T> +1
<pfps> last week's minutes need a topic
<pfps> -0
<ora> +0 (absent)
<tl> +1
<AndyS> +1
<niklasl> +1
<pchampin> +0.5 agree with pfps, will add it
<doerthe> +1
<Tpt> +1
<TallTed> +1
<AZ> +1
<pfps> +1 with the added topic
+1
RESOLUTION: approve minutes of October 12
Proposal for next week's discussion
tl: I sent a mail today which I would like to discuss next week.
AndyS: Not related to the topic, but I would like to discuss how we will get to actual actions.
… We have many different proposals, which will take a very long time to get through.
<pchampin> +1 to try and turn these discussions into actions
niklasl: I agree with AndyS, but I also think that tl's proposal is interesting to be discussed.
… We should only have one topic per meeting, but I wonder if we should have 2.
… There are use cases, testing them, and un-starring (can what we do also work in rdf 1.1 environment).
gkellogg_: I think PA tried to have a strawpoll on if the group wants to pursue graphs as a basis instead of triples.
… It would be useful if our work now includes graphs. Either based on something existing, or something new.
TallTed: We have multiple tracks going at the same time.
… 1) Fixing errata and making all docs look like each other, and 2) figuring out how to handle quoted/asserted statements.
… Regarding 2, we could compare them in a tabular form.
… There is a lot of convergence between the proposals.
tl: Our proposal is new, but inherits from rdf-star and the other proposals. I would be happy if we could discuss it. Use cases are on my todo-list.
niklasl: Ted alluded to if we are on board with graphs. I myself am.
… But Peter said that we may be moving beyond use cases like Wikidata and LPGs.
… Also: we should not say singleton property graph, but singleton graph edge.
… What worries me is the aspect of unasserted triples. I am trying to clarify this.
ora: I think graph-vs-triple discussion is something we need to continue.
<niklasl> +1 for spreadhseet comparison
ora: I like the idea of a spreadsheet for comparison.
ora: Not sure if we decided how to pick the tech discussion topic.
ktk: We as chairs decide.
Review of open actions, available at
<ktk> https://
pchampin: I marked 2 actions as complete: w3c/rdf-star-wg#77 and w3c/rdf-star-wg#94.
Review of pull requests, available at
<ktk> https://
gkellogg_: The update to n-quads is marked substantive, but I don't think it's controversial. Similar Turtle and TriG changes are incoming.
… I will merge them later.
… There is a test for C14N in tests repo. We need more, but we need more than one reviewer.
<Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask whether this actually changes the set of valid N-Quads documents?
<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to talk about new entailment rule
pfps: I found a bug in informative entailment rules. Could anyone who understands these rules review the PR?
… Reason for the bug is that RDF entailment includes 2 datatypes, and that change was not reflected.
<ktk> w3c/
<pchampin> xsd:string and rdf:langString
ora: Any volunteers?
<pchampin> I volunteer
<AZ> I can review this
<doerthe> I will also have a look, if still needed
<ora> Thanks AZ and doerthe
<ktk> and pchampin :)
pfps: The changes are quite minimal.
<pfps> The first change is in Section 8.1.1
<gkellogg_> w3c/
gkellogg_: There is a WIP PR on implications of graph terms.
<olaf> w3c/
Issue Triage, available at
ora: I urge people to have a look at that.
<ktk> https://
TallTed: The project dashboard lacks some columns, like creation date.
gkellogg_: This has been a requested feature on GH for a while now.
TallTed: Project dashboards are useless without this feature.
<gkellogg_> forem/
AndyS: Have you looked at project boards in GitHub?
<pchampin> see also https://
pchampin: There is a link to filtering by date.
Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
ora: Next Friday I will give a talk about our OneGraph project at the LDBC ... working group.
… It was suggested that we open that meeting to the members of the RDF-star WG.
… I don't have joining instructions yet.
… It's at 10 AM ET
… On Friday the 27th.
gkellogg_: November 5th is US daylight-savings time switching.
AndyS: Europe is 1 week earlier.
ora: AOB?
ora: I will share my slides.