11:59:39 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:59:44 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-irc 12:00:21 present+ Mahda_Noura 12:00:55 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster 12:01:26 McCool has joined #wot 12:01:50 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:02:52 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:02:56 rrsagent, make log public 12:03:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:03:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:29 chair: McCool, Koster 12:05:58 sebastian has joined #wot 12:06:17 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:06:24 chair+ Sebastian 12:06:57 mjk has joined #wot 12:07:12 scribenick: mjk 12:07:26 topic: minutes review 12:07:57 mm: any objections to publish the minutes from October 11? 12:08:02 Ege has joined #wot 12:08:12 ... no objections, publish 12:08:25 topic: quick updates 12:08:48 ... no updates 12:08:52 matsuda has joined #wot 12:08:55 topic: planning 12:09:00 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:09:09 mm: propose 2 hour meeting for next week 12:09:38 i|any obj|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/11-wot-minutes.html Oct-11| 12:09:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:09:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:10:16 dape has joined #wot 12:10:16 subtopic: project planning 12:10:28 q+ 12:10:51 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:11:04 mm: propose to finish the policy discussion, then discuss project management 12:11:38 kaz: there is ongoing work in W3C around project management and something coming out soon 12:12:02 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:12:28 mm: not clear if we will be able to use the W3C project management approach 12:13:04 kaz: the working groups still define their own management but there is a guideline 12:13:36 subtopic: face to face day 12:13:59 ... planning for next year 12:14:10 q? 12:14:14 ack k 12:14:15 seb: we want to have an event like the 2019 Munich 12:14:52 ... Siemens would organize it again, this time in Berlin 12:15:12 ... we could combine the event with other WoT activities 12:15:28 ... we are considering a W3C workshop 12:15:32 luca_barbato has joined #wot 12:16:05 s/the working groups/there is the W3C Process Document as the basics but the working groups/ 12:16:15 q+ 12:16:31 mm: we don't need an official workshop, and it would be extra work 12:17:00 kaz: the question is whether we will invite external contributors 12:17:45 seb: we could have a plugfest and invite contributors 12:18:14 ... there is a one day event and we can organize other activities around it 12:18:38 kaz: an official W3C workshop would need to follow a complicated procedure 12:19:03 ack k 12:19:23 mm: we need a proposal, in the meantime plan for June 12:19:31 subtopic: IG charter 12:19:44 mm: the IG expires this year (Dec. 31) 12:20:01 s/but there is a guideline/Note that there is a guideline page also./ 12:20:05 ... we need to decide if we need the IG 12:20:16 q+ 12:20:20 q+ 12:20:29 ... we need to schedule the charter discussion 12:20:52 ... it takes 2 months for review 12:21:18 kaz: the IG charter should be easier and we can probably copy the existing charter 12:21:34 ack k 12:21:58 mm: let's have the discussion right away so there is enough time for review 12:22:11 ... put it on the calendar 12:22:53 ege: if we don't have an IG, can we transfer the marketing and use case work to the WG? 12:23:10 q+ 12:23:30 mm: the discussion is whether the CG can take over some of the IG tasks 12:24:01 ack e 12:24:02 kaz: transferring tasks is complicated 12:24:03 ack k 12:24:11 mm: let's discuss it next week 12:24:38 subtopic: meeting schedule changes 12:24:59 i|subtopic: face|-> https://www.w3.org/Guide/ Gidebook page| 12:25:15 mm: having special use case calls October 19 and 26 12:25:34 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#18_October_2023 12:25:42 ... waiting for the time change before rescheduling the TD meeting 12:25:51 ... any other holidays or conflicts? 12:26:10 seb: November 1 12:26:42 mm: we are planning the policy discussion on November 1st 12:27:31 mm: we should move the policy discussion to November 8th 12:27:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:27:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:53 ... any other conflicts? 12:28:02 dezell has joined #wot 12:28:10 present+ David_Ezell 12:28:27 ... reminder about the week of confusion time change 12:28:39 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Luca_Barbato, Kunihiko_Toumura, Daniel_Peintner 12:28:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:29:39 ... for the use case meeting, mm will prepare a template and will discuss organizing use case work 12:29:55 ... any other schedule changes or conflicts 12:30:49 kaz: will reschedule the TD coordination call 12:31:44 topic: publications 12:32:02 mm: is the TD rec ready for publication? 12:32:05 ege: yes 12:32:17 https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/publication/ver11/7-rec/Overview 12:32:18 mm: let's do the resolution 12:32:41 proposal: Proceed with REC transition for TD 1.1 based on version staged in https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/publication/ver11/7-rec/Overview 12:33:00 q? 12:33:10 mm: are there any changes or objections to the resolution? 12:34:01 q+ 12:34:06 ege: forgot to fix McCool's affiliation 12:34:40 ack dape 12:34:43 dape: similar issue on other documents 12:35:21 mm: Intel has local companies and it is confusing, so we should Intel Corp 12:35:32 s/should/should use / 12:36:10 mm: any objections to the resolution? 12:36:10 resolution: Proceed with REC transition for TD 1.1 based on version staged in https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/publication/ver11/7-rec/Overview (incl change to say "Intel Corp") 12:36:48 mm: resolved to publish the TD Recommendation 12:38:54 mm: still have some cleanup to do so the publication will be next week 12:39:30 mm: reviewing the resources directory organization 12:40:34 ... comparing discovery vs. TD resources organization 12:40:51 ... concerns about the included README and file names 12:41:11 q+ 12:41:19 cris_ has joined #wot 12:41:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:41:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:41:45 ... also a question around how to handle models 12:41:51 q? 12:42:36 ege: the problem is redirecting 12:42:55 ... we need to provide the github locations 12:43:19 mm: if the README is included in the directory, it will get copied over 12:44:32 ege: the structure comes from many assumptions that were made earlier 12:44:57 i|is the TD rec re|subtopic: specs| 12:45:08 mm: we need to document the exact steps needed for publication 12:45:12 i|reviewing the resources|subtopic: resources| 12:45:58 mm: there are questions about how to document and how to organize 12:46:05 i|reviewing the resources|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md wot-thing-description/NAMESPACES.md| 12:46:48 ... would like to merge the TD resources as-is even though there are some inconsistencies 12:47:20 ege: there are some messy things but it will be difficult to change them 12:47:29 i|reviewing the resources|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/blob/main/publication/6-resources/README.md wot-discovery/publication/6-resources/README.md| 12:47:40 q+ 12:47:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:47:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:48:52 q? 12:48:56 ack e 12:48:57 mm: how can we make the discovery resources and TD resources consistent? 12:50:04 kaz: once the resources are published, it will be nice to have a table of the URLs 12:50:57 mm: would like to merge the discovery resources PR 12:51:10 ... any objection? 12:51:35 ... PR #552 12:52:12 s/merge the TD resources/merge the discovery resources/ 12:52:22 s|URLs|URLs including the information which URL (https://www.w3.org/...) to be redirected to which URL (https://w3c.github.io/...).| 12:52:44 s/are published/are published under the wot-resources repository/ 12:52:48 ... there is a PR for TD resources but it's missing a table 12:53:06 q+ 12:53:08 ege: should there be one top level table or a table for each spec? 12:53:11 ack k 12:53:17 mm: a table for each version 12:53:57 ack d 12:54:19 ack dape 12:55:46 ege: separate tables is better 12:56:26 q+ 12:56:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:57:26 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:58:22 mm: marking the TD README as DRAFT and will merge now, expecting another PR to update the README 12:58:26 q? 12:59:08 kaz: We ahve resolved to publich TD 1.1, what about the other specifications? 12:59:25 mm: do they all need to have the same date? 13:00:18 s/ahve/have/ 13:00:18 mm: we have minor updates to do on discovery and architecture 13:00:55 mm: we are still waiting for the press release also, let's publish everything next week 13:01:04 q+ 13:02:26 s/let's publish everything next week/let's generate transition requests for all the three RECs next week./ 13:02:27 ack k 13:02:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:02:56 mm: there are 15 PRs on the press release, can we merge them and get a final version we can review? 13:03:58 mm: we're out of time, are there any other items? 13:04:19 ege: we're publishing the TD call agenda 1 week in advance 13:04:37 s/15/5/ 13:04:40 mm: adjourned 13:05:21 i|we're|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3APress wot PRs with "Press" label| 13:05:31 i|we'reout|topic: AOB| 13:05:42 i|we're out|topic: AOB| 13:05:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:04:05 mahda-noura_ has joined #wot 15:11:14 Zakim has left #wot 15:59:12 gkellogg has joined #wot