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14:04:31 <Steven> Meeting: ixml Group Teleconference
14:04:43 <Steven> Date: 17 Oct 2023
14:04:46 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:05:12 <Steven> Scribe: cmsmcq
14:05:26 <Steven> Scribe: cmsmcq_
14:05:51 <cmsmcq_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Oct/0002.html
14:05:54 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/10/03-ixml-minutes
14:06:14 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/17-ixml-minutes.html Steven
14:06:32 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Previous actions
14:07:13 <cmsmcq_> MSM has done the easy ones.
14:07:36 <cmsmcq_> NTW has done 10-03c but 10-03a continues.
14:09:03 <cmsmcq_> SP has come up to the point of clicking the button to submit the pull request, but has not yet overcome resistance from github.
14:09:49 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  status of implementations
14:10:11 <cmsmcq_> NTW reports that his implementation now once again passes all tests.
14:11:37 <cmsmcq_> SP:  nothing to report.
14:12:14 <cmsmcq_> Topic: Publication plans
14:12:14 <cmsmcq_> NTW still kicking the can down the road.
14:13:10 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Revision to agenda
14:13:18 <cmsmcq_> NTW asks to add issue #201 to the agenda.
14:15:19 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Pull request #201
14:15:55 <cmsmcq_> NTW:  the draft which we made the current working draft next week had SP's change markup.
14:16:20 <cmsmcq_> Pull request #201 eliminates that markup, to avoid confusing readers.
14:16:26 <cmsmcq_> Permission to merge granted.  Merged.
14:17:12 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #198 Check that browsable test suite is being updated when tests are added
14:17:17 <cmsmcq_> Continues.
14:17:28 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #139 Sample grammars for IRIs and URIs
14:21:01 <cmsmcq_> MSM requests more documentation of the design choices.
14:21:39 <cmsmcq_> SP recalls that we agreed to provide the original grammar and also a grammar that shows the structure.
14:21:55 <cmsmcq_> We agreed to provide both, so people could use either, whichever they need.
14:24:25 <cmsmcq_> ACTION:  SP to document the grammar to make clearer why you might want it / need it.
14:24:39 <cmsmcq_> (This won't happen before Declarative Amsterdam and SP's Denmark trip, so mid-November.)
14:24:39 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Description of EBNF to BNF translation
14:24:39 <cmsmcq_> Waiting on MSM.
14:24:40 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #137 Document the XML tag set of ixml grammars
14:24:40 <cmsmcq_> Waiting on MSM and NTW.
14:26:29 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #13
14:26:42 <cmsmcq_> This has been merged and the issue should be closed.
14:27:19 <cmsmcq_> NTW closes #13.
14:28:12 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #203 Spec should say explicitly that nonterminals are case-sensitive
14:32:10 <cmsmcq_> ACTION: SP to draft proposed addition to 3.3 saying that nonterminals are case-sensitive.
14:35:06 <cmsmcq_> Do we want to add section numbers?  Discussion, feelings on both sides.
14:37:45 <cmsmcq_> ACTION: NTW to do some experiments with dynamic CSS.
14:37:58 <cmsmcq_> ACTION:  SP to make each heading hyperlink to the section it heads.
14:38:25 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #202 Version of Unicode supported should be implementation-defined
14:40:18 <cmsmcq_> Discussion.  Do we want to specify a floor version?
14:41:13 <cmsmcq_> SP points out that the spec has a normative reference to Unicode 13, with no 'or later' mentioned anywhere.
14:44:56 <cmsmcq_> NTW:  it's going to be hard to support any version of Unicode other than what our libraries support.
14:45:10 <cmsmcq_> MSM:  are all of our libraries in fact up to version 13?
14:47:05 <cmsmcq_> SP:  we could write a test to detect that.
14:47:34 <cmsmcq_> ACTION: SP to develop tests to detect version of Unicode supported.
14:49:19 <cmsmcq_> ACTION: MSM to find the tests which currently provide different results based on version of Unicode supported, and send SP a pointer to them.
14:50:13 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #199 Require whitespace between prolog and first rule?
14:50:28 <cmsmcq_> Awaiting solution of SP's battle with Github.
14:50:38 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Issue #192 Normalizing line endings in ixml inputs
14:51:15 <cmsmcq_> ACTION: NTW to develop proposal for #192 with a menu of choices
14:51:46 <cmsmcq_> Topic:  Next meeting
14:52:09 <cmsmcq_> SP will be available on 31 October and 14 November, so we don't need to cancel those.
14:52:17 <cmsmcq_> Next meeting is 31 October.
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19:11:31 <cmsmcq> Present: Steven, Norm, Bethan, Michael
19:11:40 <cmsmcq> Regrets: John
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