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11:59:19 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
11:59:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster
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12:03:39 <Ege> brb
12:04:10 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushim
12:04:26 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:33 <kaz> present- Tomoaki_Mizushim
12:04:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:04:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:04:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:06:45 <mahda-noura> present+ Mahda_Noura
12:06:59 <sebastian> MM: today we will have only 1h meeting
12:07:13 <sebastian> topic: Minutes check
12:07:25 <kaz> i/today/topic: Logistics/
12:07:48 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/27-wot-minutes.html
12:08:11 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#4_October_2023
12:08:37 <sebastian> MM: we checked the minutes in the chairs call. are looking good
12:08:50 <sebastian> ... any objections?
12:08:55 <sebastian> approved
12:08:58 <kaz> action: Kaz to start to post all the minutes to the member lists every Friday
12:09:05 <dape> q+ to inform about publications
12:09:05 <sebastian> topic: Quick Updates
12:09:27 <dape> ack dape
12:09:27 <Zakim> dape, you wanted to inform about publications
12:09:38 <kaz> q+
12:09:41 <sebastian> MM: IIWoT will not give us an keynote this year
12:09:57 <sebastian> s/IIWoT/IIWoT Workshop
12:10:24 <sebastian> ... is someone planning to submit a paper?
12:10:28 <sebastian> <no reaction>
12:10:54 <sebastian> Kaz: @@
12:11:28 <kaz> ack k
12:11:51 <sebastian> ... we have no official liasion, no need to visit this topic every week
12:12:28 <sebastian> MM: W3C has selected new CEO
12:12:47 <sebastian> ... also see https://www.w3.org/press-releases/2023/w3c-welcomes-seth-dobbs-as-new-ceo/
12:12:54 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/press-releases/2023/w3c-welcomes-seth-dobbs-as-new-ceo/ World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) welcomes Seth Dobbs as new Chief Executive Officer
12:13:10 <kaz> q+
12:13:24 <kaz> ack k
12:13:27 <sebastian> topic: Policies
12:13:57 <sebastian> MM: we pospone the decissions about the policies to next week
12:14:51 <sebastian> <MM will send a email to the WG group>
12:14:55 <kaz> s/@@/There are two points about this workshop, (1) WoT WG participants' submitting a research paper to the workshop and (2) liaison between them and our WG given they hold this workshop as a series. From my viewpoint, what is more important is the 2nd point./
12:15:09 <sebastian> topic: Special Items
12:15:11 <Ege> q+
12:15:36 <sebastian> MM: twitter still broken at the main WoT page, in Canada its works
12:15:46 <kaz> s/WG group/WG group that we'll have a 2-hour meeting next week./
12:15:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:15:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:16:12 <dape> q+
12:16:20 <sebastian> EK: we could not find any reason yet, there is a strange behavoir
12:16:41 <dape> ack dape
12:16:43 <kaz> q+
12:16:53 <kaz> ack e
12:17:21 <sebastian> ... in forums there is a similar discussion
12:17:49 <kaz> ack k
12:17:52 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/438 if people can comment with their results, it would be good
12:18:12 <sebastian> MM: maybe we should move to another platform. But lets wait until they will fix it
12:18:26 <sebastian> q+
12:18:38 <dape> q+
12:19:00 <sebastian> Kaz: not good to have a broken twitter at the marketing page
12:19:34 <sebastian> ack s
12:19:36 <kaz> s/marketing page/marketing page. Maybe it would be better to once remove Twitter on the page for a while./
12:19:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:20:18 <sebastian> DP: we can also show the latest tweet, its a simple solution
12:20:20 <kaz> s/Twitter/Twitter feed/
12:20:21 <dape> ack dape
12:20:26 <sebastian> MM: agree
12:20:28 <sebastian> +1
12:20:32 <kaz> q?
12:20:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:20:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:20:51 <kaz> s/Special Items/Twitter issue/
12:20:52 <sebastian> topic: Meeting Schedule Changes
12:20:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:20:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:21:11 <kaz> s/+1/Sebastian: +1/
12:21:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:21:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:22:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations
12:22:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:22:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:24:41 <sebastian_> q+
12:25:04 <Ege> you should take time off for sure :) definitely earned it
12:26:15 <McCool> proposal: Reschedule the TD/Binding calls as soon as possible with the goal of making it more convenient for all timezones.
12:26:35 <sebastian_> Kaz: we should find a new time slot for the TD/binding call
12:27:58 <Ege> q+
12:28:04 <kaz> ack k
12:28:11 <sebastian_> ... we should think who we would be expect in addition in the TD call
12:28:25 <sebastian_> s/expect/expected
12:28:28 <kaz> qq+
12:29:09 <sebastian_> MM: Im ok to move the chairs call on Tuesday
12:30:05 <sebastian_> Kaz: Ege or Michael Koster would be great if you setup a doodle to find new options
12:30:58 <sebastian_> MM: would make sense that Kaz sends the times to TD moderators which time would be possible
12:31:20 <sebastian_> ... the reduces the slot options
12:31:24 <McCool> proposal: Reschedule the TD/Binding calls as soon as possible with the goal of making it more convenient for all timezones.
12:31:26 <kaz> action: kaz to send his availability to Ege
12:31:30 <sebastian_> s/the/this
12:31:38 <Ege> q?
12:31:41 <Ege> ack k
12:31:41 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
12:31:42 <kaz> ack kaz
12:31:42 <sebastian_> ack s
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12:32:43 <sebastian_> EK: it would be good that McCool would able to join in the TD call
12:32:46 <sebastian_> q+
12:32:55 <McCool> resolution: Reschedule the TD/Binding calls as soon as possible with the goal of making it more convenient for all timezones.
12:33:04 <McCool> ack e
12:33:59 <kaz> q+
12:34:28 <sebastian_> SK: we should think about splitting TD and binding in seperate calls
12:35:35 <sebastian_> MM: we should defer profile and architecture until other calls are stable
12:35:52 <sebastian_> Kaz: do we need 2 doodle for TD and bindings
12:36:34 <sebastian_> MM: lets go for 1 doodle for now
12:37:00 <sebastian_> s/bindings/bindings?
12:37:24 <sebastian_> topic: New Charter
12:38:01 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html new Charter
12:38:05 <cris_> q+
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12:38:18 <sebastian_> Kaz: new charter is active since yesterday with 3 chairs: Sebastian Kaebisch, Michael McCool, and Michael Koster
12:38:20 <kaz> ack k
12:38:36 <sebastian_> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html
12:38:45 <kaz> s/new Charter/new WoT WG Charter/
12:38:55 <sebastian_> MM: charter will run for 2 years
12:38:58 <kaz> q?
12:39:03 <sebastian_> ack s
12:39:03 <kaz> ack s
12:39:11 <kaz> ack c
12:39:19 <dape> q+ to IG charter
12:39:22 <sebastian_> CA: are the IEs taken over?
12:39:30 <sebastian_> Kaz: yes
12:39:56 <kaz> q+
12:40:13 <dape> ack dape
12:40:13 <Zakim> dape, you wanted to IG charter
12:40:17 <sebastian_> DP: the IG charter ends this year, do we also need to recharter?
12:40:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/12/wot-ig-2021.html IG Charter
12:40:23 <sebastian_> MM: thats correct
12:40:28 <kaz> q?
12:40:37 <kaz> s/thats/that's/
12:41:07 <sebastian_> <MM add this topic on the agenda for next time>
12:41:27 <Ege> q+
12:41:56 <kaz> ack k
12:42:40 <sebastian_> Kaz: we need to clearify group (IG,CGs, etc) responsibilities before
12:42:50 <Ege> q-
12:43:01 <sebastian_> topic: RECs
12:43:03 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:43:32 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/521
12:43:41 <sebastian_> <MM shows the PRs for the REC publications>
12:43:47 <kaz> q+
12:43:55 <sebastian_> TD1.1: -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1890
12:44:07 <sebastian_> Discovery: -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/519
12:44:23 <sebastian_> Architecture1.1: -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/934
12:47:26 <kaz> q+
12:48:37 <sebastian_> <there are some discussions about "If it is the intention to incorporate new features in future updates of the Recommendation, please make sure to identify the document as intending to allow new features.">
12:49:30 <sebastian_> <HTML and CSS have this text in there specs>
12:49:49 <sebastian_> MM: suggest to clearify this in today's TD call
12:50:27 <sebastian_> Kaz: propose to clearify details in TF calls
12:51:55 <sebastian_> MM: we have not finished the pubrules and linker checker
12:52:24 <sebastian_> ... propose the finalize REC publications
12:52:32 <sebastian_> s/the/to
12:53:05 <sebastian_> Kaz: we need resolutions for the html publications
12:54:08 <McCool> proposal: Use current version of index.html in wot-thing-description, wot-discovery, and wot-architecture as the basis for REC publications.  These will be prepared and we will call for a resolution to publish the final versions next week.
12:54:23 <sebastian_> +1
12:54:48 <McCool> resolution: Use current version of index.html in wot-thing-description, wot-discovery, and wot-architecture as the basis for REC publications.  These will be prepared and we will call for a resolution to publish the final versions next week.
12:55:00 <kaz> s/html publications/html publications like we did for WoT-related resources last week./
12:55:41 <sebastian_> <MM shows the Arch1.1 PR>
12:56:42 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/933
12:56:43 <sebastian_> s/the/a
12:56:51 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/517
12:56:59 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1887
12:57:15 <sebastian_> MM: going to merge all 3 PRs
12:57:22 <sebastian_> ... any objections?
12:57:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:14 <sebastian_> no
12:58:24 <sebastian_> PRs merged
12:58:31 <kaz> i/521/subtopic: Spec HTMLs/
12:59:03 <kaz> q+
12:59:37 <kaz> topic: Press Releases
12:59:46 <luca_barbato> q+
13:00:13 <kaz> sk: got Testimonials
13:00:27 <kaz> mm: let's put them into the draft Press Release
13:00:33 <kaz> ... and then ask the MarComm Team for review
13:00:41 <sebastian_> SK: we have 5 testimonials so far: HITACHI, Siemens, Microsoft, OPC Foundation, and Intel
13:01:13 <sebastian_> Kaz: we need a date for the press release
13:01:32 <sebastian_> MM: how about Oct 12?
13:02:07 <sebastian_> ... still need to finalize homework for REC publication
13:02:34 <sebastian_> MM: Sebastian can you clean-up the Press release?
13:02:42 <sebastian_> SK: ok for me
13:03:07 <sebastian_> MM: testimonial should be included, figures, and some notes
13:03:47 <sebastian_> s/some notes/the WoT Notes
13:03:52 <kaz> Kaz: fine, but we should clarify a bit more detailed milestones, e.g., Press Release prep (putting together, MarComm Review), Publication (Pubrules finalization, wot-resources installation, resolution, transition request, publication and redirection)/
13:04:06 <sebastian_> SK: I will do the updates and send a new version to MarComm team
13:04:08 <kaz> s|Kaz: fine, but we should clarify a bit more detailed milestones, e.g., Press Release prep (putting together, MarComm Review), Publication (Pubrules finalization, wot-resources installation, resolution, transition request, publication and redirection)/|
13:04:41 <kaz> Kaz: Note that we should clarify a bit more detailed milestones, e.g., Press Release prep (putting together, MarComm Review), Publication (Pubrules finalization, wot-resources installation, resolution, transition request, publication and redirection)
13:04:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:05:26 <kaz> topic: WoT Resources
13:05:52 <Ege> q+
13:05:54 <kaz> i|today we will have|scribenick: sebastian|
13:05:55 <kaz> ack k
13:06:01 <sebastian_> <shows a proposal where the resources should go in a seperate directory>
13:06:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:40 <sebastian_> LB: I will also provide a testimonial
13:06:40 <sebastian_> ... I will send a email to Sebastian
13:06:57 <kaz> (@@@ to be moved to the Press Release)
13:07:05 <sebastian_> EK: is there a new stagging there will be new folder?
13:07:09 <sebastian_> MM: yes
13:07:09 <kaz> q+
13:07:12 <kaz> ack lu
13:07:38 <sebastian_> s/stagging/staging
13:07:54 <kaz> ack e
13:08:38 <kaz> ack k
13:09:04 <sebastian_> Kaz: this is just a temporary solution, W3C working on a general solution
13:09:23 <sebastian_> <call will be extended for 10min>
13:09:33 <kaz> i/got Testi/scribenick: kaz/
13:09:36 <sebastian_> adjourn
13:09:44 <kaz> s/<call will be extended for 10min>//
13:10:49 <kaz> i/we have 5/scribenick: sebastian/
13:10:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:11:05 <kaz> i/Note that/scribenick: kaz/
13:11:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:16:27 <kaz> i/shows a proposal/scribenick: sebastian_/
13:16:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:18:41 <kaz> s/this is just a temporary solution, W3C working on a general solution/In any case, using the "publications" area from each spec repo is a tentative solution for one week, so we should clarify our policy on how to use the final "wot-resources" area as well./
13:18:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
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