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13:49:49 <Steven> Meeting: ixml Group Teleconference
13:49:57 <Steven> Date: 3 October 2023
13:50:02 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:50:47 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/09/05-ixml-minutes
13:50:55 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Oct/0000
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14:02:47 <Steven> Present: Bethan, Norm, John, Michael, Steven
14:03:31 <Steven> Michael: Nothing done, even the easy ones!
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14:04:21 <Steven> ACTION 2023-07-25-a: Norm to create an issue w.r.t. end of line
14:04:21 <Steven>                      normalization: Done
14:04:55 <Steven> Norm: All my actions done except publishing the reoprt
14:05:07 <Steven> s/reoprt/report/
14:06:02 <Steven> John: Done ACTION 2023-07-25-c: JL to redraft his notes on grammar combination
14:06:02 <Steven>                      and send something to the public list.
14:06:18 <Steven> John: Done ACTION 2023-09-05-g: John to implement the renaming proposal
14:06:35 <Steven> Topic:  Status of implementations
14:06:45 <Steven> John: Added renaming
14:07:15 <Steven> ... works fairly well
14:07:29 <Steven> ... Need to talk about "version" later
14:07:53 <Steven> ... there are a number of symbols we haven't used, like %
14:08:10 <Steven> ... we might want to bear in mind that they are available
14:10:07 <Steven> Norm: Working on improve,emts
14:10:11 <Steven> s/,//
14:10:22 <Steven> Topic:  Status of testing and test suites
14:10:40 <Steven> John: Are there renaming tests?
14:10:41 <cmsmcq_> We definitely do need tests for renaming.
14:11:03 <Steven> ACTION: Norm create tests for renaming
14:12:02 <Steven> Topic: Issue #199 Require whitespace between prolog and first rule?
14:12:46 <Steven> Michael: It's not ambiguous, but we should do it for consistency
14:12:58 <Steven> Steven: So resolved
14:13:41 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make pull request for grammar for space after prolog
14:14:26 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #197 Remove the Unicode non-character constraint
14:15:05 <Steven> Norm: RFC for JSON, and they have a rule that includes non-unicode characters
14:15:53 <Steven> "An encoded character is an optionally marked hexadecimal number. It starts with a hash symbol, followed by any number of hexadecimal digits, for example #a0. The digits are interpreted as a number in hexadecimal (error S06) , and the character at that Unicode code-point is used [Unicode]. The number must be within the Unicode code-point range (error S07), and must not denote a Noncharacter or Surrogate code point (error S08)."
14:17:54 <Steven> Norm: I'm happy to say that you can't have them in Unicode, and you can't use them.
14:18:39 <Steven> Michael: the ixml grammar of the JSON grammar can't then be a simple transcription.
14:20:28 <Steven> Steven: We leave the spec as is then.
14:20:43 <Steven> ACTION: Norm close issue 197 without changes
14:20:56 <Steven> Norm: Should we have an FAQ?
14:21:14 <Steven> Michael: A good idea.
14:23:34 <Steven> Norm: You could create a range that is expressible, but that includes noncharacters...
14:24:48 <Steven> Michael: But the input still can't contain those characters
14:24:56 <Steven> Norm: I can live with that
14:25:36 <Steven> ACTION: Michael draft a FAQ
14:28:05 <Steven> Steven: The spec requires UTF-8 encoding, but doesn't explicitly restrict noncharacters
14:29:22 <Steven> Michael: I think that our rules effectively mean that noncharacters are excluded
14:29:50 <Steven> Steven: Except exclusions
14:30:00 <Steven> ... would allow noncharacters
14:30:48 <Steven> .... input: ~[]*.
14:32:01 <Steven> ... input: -~[]*, +'.'.
14:32:53 <Steven> Norm: I'd like to see what Michael writes in the FAQ.
14:33:20 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #189 What are the control characters
14:33:57 <Steven> Norm: THis is resolved using character classes. We can close.
14:34:10 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #181 Non-serializable characters in the input
14:34:15 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:34:27 <Steven> Norm: Has been closed
14:34:41 <Steven> ... raises error D04
14:36:14 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #139 Sample grammars for IRIs and URIs
14:36:22 <Steven> Steven: Where are we at?
14:36:48 <Steven> Michael: Awaiting review
14:37:18 <Steven> Steven: On the agenda for next time
14:38:09 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #192 Normalizing line endings in ixml inputs
14:38:47 <Steven> John: Before that. About version
14:38:51 <Steven> Topic: Version
14:39:08 <Steven> John: Are the version numbers collatable?
14:39:17 <Steven> ... is there a strict ordering
14:39:22 <Steven> s/ing/ing?
14:39:39 <Steven> Bethan: It would be good to agree a format
14:40:46 <Steven> Norm: I'd rather put off the decision till when we have a versionable number
14:41:51 <Steven> Michael: How about "Tokenise on '.', that is a sequence of keys, if a key is a number, then compare numerically, otherwise lexically
14:42:03 <Steven> s/lexically/lexically"/
14:42:20 <Steven> Bethan: Rather just use numbers
14:43:12 <Steven> Michael: Are we the only ones to create a version number?
14:43:18 <Steven> Bethan: Yes.
14:43:35 <Steven> John: Leave it on the backburner
14:44:39 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #13 Renaming proposal (for v.Next)
14:45:07 <Steven> Steven: Nothing to discuss?
14:45:45 <Steven> Norm: Merge?
14:45:49 <Steven> All: Yes
14:45:58 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #192 Normalizing line endings in ixml inputs
14:46:44 <Steven> Norm: 4 options.
14:46:50 <Steven> ... it is a pain
14:47:36 <Steven> Michael: I would like our abstraction to be that we are parsing unicode characters, without an abstraction on top of that.
14:48:05 <Steven> ... normalising default is OK; require it to be disableable
14:48:31 <Steven> ... I see uses cases for not normalising
14:49:09 <Steven> John: So what do I write?
14:51:58 <Steven> Steven: I was thinking of U+2028
14:52:10 <Steven> ... line separator
14:52:47 <Steven> Bethan: I like the idea
14:53:31 <Steven> ... would it be in input anyway
14:53:35 <Steven> Michael: Could be
14:55:28 <Steven> Michael: We need a written proposal
14:57:04 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:57:29 <Steven> Steven: Next meeting in 2 weeks
14:57:36 <Steven> John: Regrets
14:58:10 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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14:59:10 <Steven> i/Michael: Nothing done, even the easy ones!/Topic: Actions
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14:59:53 <Steven> s/improveemts/improvements
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