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13:59:59 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
14:00:04 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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14:05:24 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Andrea_Cimmino, Mihcael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:08:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:08:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:08:53 <FarshidT> topic: Minutes
14:09:09 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:09:20 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/25-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-25
14:09:22 <FarshidT> mmc: publishing the minutes; no objections
14:09:30 <FarshidT> topic: PRs
14:09:48 <kaz> present- Mihcael_McCool
14:09:53 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
14:10:03 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:10:08 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:10:32 <FarshidT> sub-topic: TPAC Discovery Discussion
14:10:32 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1134
14:11:18 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1134|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1134 wot PR 1134 - Create 2023-09-14-WoT-TPAC-Discovery-Discussion.md|
14:11:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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14:12:55 <luca_barbato> q+
14:13:07 <FarshidT> ft: SparkPlug B
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14:14:17 <FarshidT> s|SparkPlug B|SparkPlug B may have some relevant specification for MQTT discovery|
14:14:59 <FarshidT> https://sparkplug.eclipse.org/specification/
14:18:40 <FarshidT> ft: The MQTT payloads could be just raw TDs, the tricky part is designing the topic structure. Everything else can be designed around the native MQTT features.
14:19:13 <FarshidT> lb: Do we want to support brownfield devices? Using Sparkplug B prevents that.
14:20:27 <FarshidT> mmc: adding as follow-up to the document (see the PR)
14:20:51 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1134 merged
14:21:00 <FarshidT> ... PR merged.
14:21:13 <FarshidT> sub-topic: Capture frozen resources for publication
14:21:15 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/516
14:22:13 <luca_barbato> s/Sparkplug B prevents that/Sparkplug B is just one of the many brownfields we can look into, see also Homie for another/
14:26:32 <FarshidT> mmc: placing ontology and context files under a versioned publication directory. This is the staging area before copying files over to the wot-resources repo.
14:27:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:27:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:28:54 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/516|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/516 wot-discovery PR 516 - Capture frozen resources for publication|
14:29:15 <FarshidT> mmc: correcting discovery context URLs
14:30:19 <kaz> q+
14:33:33 <FarshidT> mmc: The next issue is that the link to TD refers to the old, 2019 version
14:34:23 <FarshidT> ac: It should point to the latest TD ontology
14:34:41 <FarshidT> ... which is https://www.w3.org/2019/wot/td#
14:35:53 <cris__> q+
14:36:00 <cris__> qq+
14:36:38 <cris__> ack cris__
14:36:38 <Zakim> cris__, you wanted to react to a previous speaker
14:36:47 <FarshidT> mmc: the URL is the same, but TD v1.1 ontology has been updated
14:36:48 <cris__> ack c
14:37:14 <FarshidT> ca: we decided to keep the URL for v1 for backward compatibility purposes
14:37:45 <kaz> ack lu
14:37:45 <McCool_> ack l
14:41:55 <FarshidT> mmc: The structure of TD resource files are different from what is proposed in discovery; the WG agreed on this during the main call.
14:42:22 <FarshidT> kaz: There may have been some misunderstanding
14:44:47 <kaz> kaz: I'm OK with the content and thank you for the discussion. However, as discussed during the main call last week, putting the resources files under the tentative "/publication" area would be dangerous.
14:47:33 <kaz> ... these resource files need to be stable, while the index.html file to be updated multiple times based on the Pubrules Checker's results during the publication preparation period./
14:48:22 <FarshidT> mmc: removing the v1 directory, since by convention we keep v1 files flat and add sub-directories for follow-up versions.
14:51:55 <FarshidT> kaz: suggesting another approach
14:53:19 <FarshidT> ... the resolution from the last Main call agrees with the proposed approach in this PR, so let's keep that.
14:54:45 <kaz> s/suggesting another approach/I've checked the minutes from the main call on Sep 27, and apparently it was rather myself who misunderstood the resolution :(/
14:56:28 <kaz> s/so let's keep that./so if you still want to go for this direction, let's do so. However, we need to be aware of the potential danger and remember the official resources to be referred and to be maintained will be the resources under "wot-resources" repository./
14:58:01 <FarshidT> mmc: Agreement to use UTF-8 encoding
14:58:26 <FarshidT> mmc: The URLs aren't reachable in the staging area. How do we test them?
14:58:35 <kaz> q?
14:58:37 <kaz> ack k
14:59:10 <FarshidT> ac: I can commit to doing some manual testing, as wrong URLs cause major issues in our projects.
14:59:41 <FarshidT> mmc: Even though the resources are frozen, we can still do bug fixes
15:00:59 <FarshidT> ... testing should be separate issue on Github
15:01:08 <FarshidT> s|should be|should be a|
15:01:28 <FarshidT> mmc: Let's publish and create a separate for testing
15:02:11 <FarshidT> s|a separate|a separate issue|
15:02:35 <McCool_> proposal: McCool to finish last two points (line endings, UTF-8), then merge PR516 and proceed with publication.
15:02:52 <McCool_> resolution: McCool to finish last two points (line endings, UTF-8), then merge PR516 and proceed with publication.
15:04:53 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:04:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:05:42 <kaz> i|I'm OK with|scribenick: kaz|
15:05:57 <kaz> i|removing the v1|scribenick: FarshidT|
15:05:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:07:03 <kaz> i|publishing the mi|scibenick: FarshidT|
15:07:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:07:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:07:35 <kaz> s/scibenick/scribenick/
15:07:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:07:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:08:40 <kaz> i|Agreement|(some more discussion on the content)|
15:08:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/02-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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