IRC log of apa on 2023-09-27

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina

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Meeting: APA Teleconference

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Date: 27 Sep 2023

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Chair: Janina

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ TPAC 2023 Followup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023

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agenda+ Epub Note Special Request https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/a11y-exemption/

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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ be done

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agenda?

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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zakim, who is victim?

14:03:52 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, Irfan.

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zakim, pick a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose janina

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scribe+

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 was just opened, janina

14:04:50 [gpellegrino]

janina: we have an agenda for today

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... we have an urgent issue from publishing group

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... any announcement to share?

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... Matthew will not partecipate to the call, he's busy

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 Followup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023 -- taken up [from janina]

14:06:18 [gpellegrino]

janina: the outcomes were great

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... to much to talk about in only one session

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... the URI of the agenda is the same we used at TPAC, so you can check that page

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... TPAC was great, all meetings were very productive

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... some groups were not sure about creating a repository for symbols for WAI-Adaptive

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Epub Note Special Request https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/a11y-exemption/ -- taken up [from janina]

14:08:31 [gpellegrino]

... instead of using unicode

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janina: we had a request for Publishing Maintenance Group

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... there is a law in EU that provides an exception for publishers for producing accessible publications

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... we can't modify a lot, since it is the law

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Matt: yes, there are three exceptions (micro-enterprise, disporpotionated burden, fundamental alteration)

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... these metadata are already available in ONIX standard, we would link to sync EPUB metadata with the supply chain standard

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... this metadata we'll be used for displaying metadata to endusers and to have statistics

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gpellegrino: yes, it was requests by the Federation of European Publishers to have data after the European Accessibility Act will take in place

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... so they can have numbers of publications that are not accessible, to maybe ask for public funding to fix those

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janina: is there any question?

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... is there any objection to approve the publication to the document?

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scribe+

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RESOLUTION: APA approves and supports the Epub Note on accessibility metadata and does not object to the Note's publication.

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RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/27-apa-minutes.html Roy

14:15:47 [niklasegger]

scribe+

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]

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subtopic: WebApps WG 2023 Rechartering

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- charter: https://w3c.github.io/webappswg/charter/draft-charter-2023.html

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/383

14:16:52 [niklasegger]

Roy: I don't think there are any big chances to last time

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janina: I think we can it sign off (no objection from the group)

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subtopic: Device and Sensors WG 2023 Rechartering

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- charter: https://w3c.github.io/das-charter/das-wg-charter.html

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/429

14:18:13 [niklasegger]

janina: This is a interesting one, due to the haptics group from China

14:20:03 [niklasegger]

janina: I think we should aks for a updated spec, that supports more precision (like we saw in the TPAC meeting)

14:20:04 [Roy]

"An API allowing web applications to interface with haptic actuators, such as vibration motors found on gamepad controllers, and potentially other devices that provide haptic feedback."

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Tencent

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janina: At least we would like to know, if more precision in the haptics spec is possible.

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janina: Action on me to write them an email

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subtopic: Accessibility EOWG re-charter

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- charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2023/eowg-charter-2023.html

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/428

14:23:32 [niklasegger]

Roy: Do we have any request for them?

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janina: I propose we should take a week to look at it. Talk about it next week

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]

14:24:56 [niklasegger]

Roy: Nothing new there, but still remaining ones

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 5 closed

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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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6. Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]

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subtopic: W3C Securing Verifiable Credentials using JOSE and COSE

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/68

14:26:09 [niklasegger]

Roy: They want us to review this document until october

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Roy: However, Lionel is not here, who did it last time

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Roy: Said no special date, but probably until end of october

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janina: Will talk to Lionel

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zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]

14:27:07 [Roy]

subtopic: CSS Transitions Level 2

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- tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Transitions_Level_2

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- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-transitions-2/

14:28:22 [niklasegger]

PaulG: The transition stuff has not been an issue for a11y, but didn't look at this spec specifily.Will take a look

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zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]

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janina: Matthew and I were really impressed with the CSS meeting, and they were impressed by you Paul

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PaulG: I reviewed the issues ahead of time, but nothing jumped out. With Scott O'hara being part with some suggestions we are in good hands

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zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 9 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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10. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]

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janina: Wonderful meeting with web security about well known uri. We propose several uri that have bubbled up from coga. Matthew voluntered to be the main author

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janina: Other TPAC results: We are going to continue work on User cases (Web of things)

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janina: ... new github issues filed for COGA and RQTF. We will publish a new working draft until the end of the year

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PaulG: Update from pronunciation: We were going to beef up our use cases. We need to better convey the use cases. Allowing AT to deligate to the user agent (browser) to use the speech api -> might help to convice some browser vendors, right now they/ some don't see the benefits

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zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/27-apa-minutes.html Irfan

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 10 closed

14:46:48 [niklasegger]

zakim, close this item

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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11. Other Business [from janina]

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I do not know what agendum had been taken up, niklasegger

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zakim, close this item

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I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Irfan

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zakim, take up item 11

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agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 11 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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12. be done [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 12 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 12 closed

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I see nothing remaining on the agenda

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/27-apa-minutes.html Irfan

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