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12:02:18 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:03:05 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster
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12:05:46 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:06:01 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
12:06:10 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:06:32 <luca_barbato> topic: Minutes
12:06:53 <luca_barbato> mm: Already reviewed before, there is a typo though
12:07:10 <luca_barbato> mm: Any objection?
12:07:10 <sebastian> +1
12:07:13 <luca_barbato> <none>
12:07:45 <luca_barbato> mm: The TPAC minutes will be reviewed on the TPAC-specific section
12:08:00 <luca_barbato> topic: Quick Updates
12:08:29 <luca_barbato> mm: The deadline for IIWoT 2024 is 8th Oct
12:08:39 <sebastian> q
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12:09:38 <luca_barbato> mm: the requirement is 6-pages paper
12:10:07 <kaz> q+
12:10:08 <luca_barbato> mm: Volunteers welcome
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12:10:17 <kaz> ack se
12:10:39 <luca_barbato> seb: If there is a deadline extension we could have more time
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12:11:22 <kaz> q?
12:11:33 <luca_barbato> seb: We could prepare a presentation on the future 2.0 from the material we are already preparing
12:12:07 <luca_barbato> mm: We have to make sure the content is new though
12:13:01 <luca_barbato> ege: The workshops usually prefer scientific papers
12:13:23 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:13:49 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:13:49 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:13:51 <kaz> q?
12:13:56 <kaz> ack e
12:14:09 <luca_barbato> mm: I think describing Thing Model and Discovery should be new
12:14:30 <luca_barbato> mm: Would be good if academics can be the authors since publication means points for them
12:15:28 <luca_barbato> kaz: I'm confused, we do not have to submit research paper, the organiser might ask for a invited presentation though
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12:15:46 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:16:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: Let's discuss about it off-meeting
12:16:14 <kaz> s/about /
12:16:22 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:16:23 <luca_barbato> topic: Policies
12:16:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:16:50 <luca_barbato> mm: We do not have an obvious place to find discussions for the proposals
12:17:12 <kaz> q+
12:18:38 <luca_barbato> kaz: If everybody is fine to make resolution it is fine, but would be good to go over and make sure everybody is fine
12:18:57 <luca_barbato> mm: We can, but we should work more off-meeting
12:19:38 <McCool> proposal: Adopt the “Asynchronous Decisions” policy defined in https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/async-decision.md
12:19:49 <luca_barbato> kaz: Since some policies are about off-meeting work, would be good to discuss it in-meeting to make sure it is consensus
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12:20:18 <sebastian_> q+
12:20:44 <Ege> q+
12:20:45 <Ege> ack k
12:20:45 <luca_barbato> mm: The policies had been in draft for months
12:21:11 <luca_barbato> kaz: I'd rather have a summary during the meeting to make sure all the participants are fully aware
12:21:56 <luca_barbato> seb: I share the view of Michael, I think the policies got enough consensus already
12:22:34 <luca_barbato> q+
12:23:48 <kaz> qq+
12:24:12 <luca_barbato> mm: we have 3 choices: we have the original plan, we could summarise now but the turnover makes it less satisfying,
12:24:46 <luca_barbato> put it off until the next week and send an headsup to the mailing list
12:24:59 <sebastian_> ack s
12:25:15 <luca_barbato> kaz: Do we have a 2h call today?
12:25:22 <luca_barbato> mm: We have 1h call
12:25:34 <luca_barbato> kaz: Let's postpone and ask for a 2h call next week
12:25:39 <kaz> ack k
12:25:39 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
12:25:41 <cris_> cris_ has changed the topic to: 
12:26:01 <luca_barbato> ege: Is the controversy on the async decision or all the policies?
12:26:06 <cris_> +1 for PRs
12:26:23 <luca_barbato> +1 for PRs
12:26:39 <kaz> q?
12:26:41 <McCool> ack e
12:26:41 <kaz> ack e
12:27:45 <kaz> ack l
12:27:47 <luca_barbato> lb: If we fail to have people aware of the policies, we have a bigger problem and we should do better
12:27:59 <luca_barbato> topic: Schedule changes
12:29:48 <kaz> q+
12:30:04 <luca_barbato> mm: We should not have cancellations due holidays
12:31:18 <kaz> s/due/due to/
12:32:24 <luca_barbato> mm: We can restart the USE-CASE activities, let's reach out the a11y group to find a slot that fits their schedule
12:33:40 <luca_barbato> kaz: We can change the wiki title for this section
12:34:28 <kaz> s/section/section to "Meeting Schedule Changes" or something like that to avoid confusion with the "Publication Schedule Changes"./
12:34:35 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:34:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:34:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:36 <kaz> (McCool reorganizes the sections on the agenda wiki)
12:36:58 <luca_barbato> topic: Schedule
12:37:22 <luca_barbato> mm: We should have a press release before the REC publication
12:39:30 <kaz> q+
12:39:32 <luca_barbato> topic: Charter Review Status
12:39:42 <luca_barbato> kaz: I put some information in the wiki
12:39:57 <luca_barbato> kaz: We have some feedback regarding the charter template
12:41:04 <luca_barbato> kaz: I'll address the issue myself
12:41:19 <luca_barbato> mm: We should have the charter ready by Oct 1st
12:41:42 <kaz> s/issue/issue on the unintended removal of "all known" from the Charter template
12:41:51 <kaz> ack k
12:42:01 <kaz> q+
12:42:14 <Ege> q+
12:42:32 <luca_barbato> topic: Publication
12:42:40 <kaz> q- later
12:42:47 <luca_barbato> mm: Is the TD ready?
12:43:04 <luca_barbato> ege: There is a pending PR that requires Directors' approval
12:43:06 <kaz> ack e
12:43:29 <sebastian_> q+
12:43:51 <luca_barbato> mm: kaz can you comment in the PR to make official the Director approved it
12:45:10 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1858 PR1858 - Remove mention of atrisk section
12:45:18 <luca_barbato> kaz: Agreed
12:45:53 <luca_barbato> mm: Who is going to prepare the publication directories?
12:46:00 <luca_barbato> ege: I did before, I can do it
12:46:18 <luca_barbato> kaz: For the REC I can do it myself
12:46:40 <kaz> i|Agreed|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1843 PR1843 - Fix well known operation types only|
12:47:17 <luca_barbato> mm: There is a change in the Implementation Report, I can address it
12:47:50 <kaz> s/to make official the Director approved it/that those PRs have been approved?/
12:48:10 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Web Resource
12:48:14 <Ege> q_
12:48:15 <Ege> q+
12:48:19 <kaz> s/that those/to record that those/
12:48:23 <kaz> ack k
12:48:35 <cris_> q+
12:48:36 <luca_barbato> mm: We have two options, we could do both
12:48:42 <kaz> qq+
12:49:17 <luca_barbato> kaz: We need to respond to another comment in the Implementation Report
12:50:03 <kaz> ack k
12:50:03 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
12:50:15 <luca_barbato> mm: I will take care of it
12:50:27 <McCool> ack s
12:51:17 <luca_barbato> ege: I'm a bit surprised on how it is done in the Discovery repo, maybe would be better to put the resources in a separate directory
12:51:24 <McCool> ack e
12:51:47 <luca_barbato> mm: We'll provide the frozen content in a separate location
12:51:50 <kaz> q+
12:52:11 <luca_barbato> ege: We should mirror them in a w3 server so we do not rely too much on github
12:52:52 <kaz> s/mirror/set up redirection/
12:53:01 <kaz> s/redirection/redirection for/
12:53:22 <luca_barbato> cris: Would be nice to use the same document format across all the TFs
12:54:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:54:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:54:11 <kaz> q?
12:54:11 <kaz> ack c
12:54:17 <Ege> qq+
12:54:35 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:54:36 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
12:54:45 <luca_barbato> cris: We have a file with the mapping
12:54:51 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
12:55:04 <cris_> ack c
12:55:23 <luca_barbato> kaz: We have only 5 minutes left, let's postpone the discussion
12:56:51 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:57:01 <luca_barbato> topic: Press Release
12:57:08 <sebastian_> q+
12:57:12 <luca_barbato> mm: We are waiting for testimonials
12:57:12 <kaz> ack k
12:57:47 <luca_barbato> mm: Send testimonials to Sebastian
12:57:49 <kaz> s/discussion/discussion and ask people for Testimonials and TPAC minutes review instead./
12:57:54 <sebastian_> team-wot@w3.org
12:58:18 <sebastian_> s/team-wot@w3.org/
12:58:51 <kaz> i|Press Release|mm: (gives quick summarization of WoT resources, and then move forward to the Testimonials/TPAC mintues.)|
12:59:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:59:07 <luca_barbato> mm: I send a reminder by email
12:59:08 <sebastian_> ack s
12:59:12 <luca_barbato> s/I/I'll/
12:59:14 <kaz> q+
12:59:27 <luca_barbato> topic: TPAC Minutes
13:00:41 <luca_barbato> mm: Would be great if the TD can read and confirm their minutes, same for the other TFs
13:01:01 <luca_barbato> topic: Events
13:01:09 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html WoT WG/IG Day 1
13:01:10 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/15-wot-minutes.html WoT WG/IG Day 2
13:01:12 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/11-wot-minutes.html JSON-LD, WoT, RCH joint meeting
13:01:14 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-apa-minutes.html#t11 APA WG
13:01:16 <kaz> -> https://hackmd.io/@U6kq3KikTwSQiGSvlEw7vA/SyB0DJ3Cn Web Agent CG
13:01:18 <kaz> s/topic: Events//
13:01:20 <kaz> topic: Events
13:01:33 <kaz> q+
13:01:36 <kaz> ack e
13:01:36 <Zakim> Ege, you wanted to react to cris_
13:01:49 <luca_barbato> ege: There is the next CG meeting, with Seam presenting their solution
13:02:58 <luca_barbato> kaz: We should make sure what is a CG activity and what is a Liason activity
13:03:40 <cris_> q+
13:03:53 <McCool> ack k
13:03:59 <kaz> s/We should make/Thanks for handling those events on the CG side. In addition to that, we should make/
13:04:37 <luca_barbato> cris: We can put in the agenda a discussion on the update of the Scripting API
13:04:50 <sebastian> I have to go bye
13:05:10 <dape> q+
13:05:15 <kaz> s/what is a CG activity and what is a Liason activity/what to be done by the WG side, what to be done by the CG, and what to be done collaboratively. We've started discussion for that during TPAC, and should continue clarification discussion./
13:05:17 <luca_barbato> mm: We should coordinate the publication of Notes so they are published with the RECs
13:05:19 <cris_> ack c
13:05:27 <dape> ack Danrancan
13:05:31 <dape> ack dape
13:05:43 <kaz> q?
13:06:08 <luca_barbato> mm: The Notes should be updated before the press release
13:06:17 <kaz> kaz: sorry for the delay, but working on that
13:06:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:40 <kaz> i|Already reviewed|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html Sep-6|
13:11:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:44 <kaz> s/If everybody is fine to make resolution it is fine/If everybody really wants to make a resolution today, it is fine/
13:13:51 <kaz> i|We should not have cancellations|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
13:13:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:14:49 <kaz> s/We should have a press release before the REC publication/We should have Testimonials for a Press Release ready before the REC publication./
13:15:35 <kaz> s/Is the TD/subtopic: Specs/
13:15:59 <kaz> s/kaz can you/kaz, can you/
13:16:11 <kaz> s/in the wiki/on the wiki/
13:21:20 <kaz> i|We should have T|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|
13:21:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
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