IRC log of wot on 2023-09-20
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-irc
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- meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster
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- present+ Daniel_Peintner
- 12:06:01 [luca_barbato]
- scribenick: luca_barbato
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- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- 12:06:23 [sebastian]
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- 12:06:32 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Minutes
- 12:06:53 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Already reviewed before, there is a typo though
- 12:07:10 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Any objection?
- 12:07:10 [sebastian]
- +1
- 12:07:13 [luca_barbato]
- <none>
- 12:07:45 [luca_barbato]
- mm: The TPAC minutes will be reviewed on the TPAC-specific section
- 12:08:00 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Quick Updates
- 12:08:29 [luca_barbato]
- mm: The deadline for IIWoT 2024 is 8th Oct
- 12:08:39 [sebastian]
- q
- 12:08:41 [sebastian]
- q+
- 12:09:11 [Ege]
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- q+
- 12:09:38 [luca_barbato]
- mm: the requirement is 6-pages paper
- 12:10:07 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:10:08 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Volunteers welcome
- 12:10:10 [ktoumura]
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- 12:10:17 [kaz]
- ack se
- 12:10:39 [luca_barbato]
- seb: If there is a deadline extension we could have more time
- 12:10:51 [matsuda]
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- 12:11:22 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:11:33 [luca_barbato]
- seb: We could prepare a presentation on the future 2.0 from the material we are already preparing
- 12:12:07 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We have to make sure the content is new though
- 12:13:01 [luca_barbato]
- ege: The workshops usually prefer scientific papers
- 12:13:23 [kaz]
- present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
- 12:13:49 [kaz]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 12:13:49 [Zakim]
- Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Tetsushi_Matsuda
- 12:13:51 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:13:56 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:14:09 [luca_barbato]
- mm: I think describing Thing Model and Discovery should be new
- 12:14:30 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Would be good if academics can be the authors since publication means points for them
- 12:15:28 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: I'm confused, we do not have to submit research paper, the organiser might ask for a invited presentation though
- 12:15:37 [cris_]
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- present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
- 12:16:08 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: Let's discuss about it off-meeting
- 12:16:14 [kaz]
- s/about /
- 12:16:22 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 12:16:23 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Policies
- 12:16:26 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:16:50 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We do not have an obvious place to find discussions for the proposals
- 12:17:12 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:18:38 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: If everybody is fine to make resolution it is fine, but would be good to go over and make sure everybody is fine
- 12:18:57 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We can, but we should work more off-meeting
- 12:19:38 [McCool]
- proposal: Adopt the “Asynchronous Decisions” policy defined in https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/async-decision.md
- 12:19:49 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: Since some policies are about off-meeting work, would be good to discuss it in-meeting to make sure it is consensus
- 12:20:15 [sebastian_]
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- 12:20:18 [sebastian_]
- q+
- 12:20:44 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:20:45 [Ege]
- ack k
- 12:20:45 [luca_barbato]
- mm: The policies had been in draft for months
- 12:21:11 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: I'd rather have a summary during the meeting to make sure all the participants are fully aware
- 12:21:56 [luca_barbato]
- seb: I share the view of Michael, I think the policies got enough consensus already
- 12:22:34 [luca_barbato]
- q+
- 12:23:48 [kaz]
- qq+
- 12:24:12 [luca_barbato]
- mm: we have 3 choices: we have the original plan, we could summarise now but the turnover makes it less satisfying,
- 12:24:46 [luca_barbato]
- put it off until the next week and send an headsup to the mailing list
- 12:24:59 [sebastian_]
- ack s
- 12:25:15 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: Do we have a 2h call today?
- 12:25:22 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We have 1h call
- 12:25:34 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: Let's postpone and ask for a 2h call next week
- 12:25:39 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:25:39 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
- 12:25:41 [cris_]
- cris_ has changed the topic to:
- 12:26:01 [luca_barbato]
- ege: Is the controversy on the async decision or all the policies?
- 12:26:06 [cris_]
- +1 for PRs
- 12:26:23 [luca_barbato]
- +1 for PRs
- 12:26:39 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:26:41 [McCool]
- ack e
- 12:26:41 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:27:45 [kaz]
- ack l
- 12:27:47 [luca_barbato]
- lb: If we fail to have people aware of the policies, we have a bigger problem and we should do better
- 12:27:59 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Schedule changes
- 12:29:48 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:30:04 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We should not have cancellations due holidays
- 12:31:18 [kaz]
- s/due/due to/
- 12:32:24 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We can restart the USE-CASE activities, let's reach out the a11y group to find a slot that fits their schedule
- 12:33:40 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: We can change the wiki title for this section
- 12:34:28 [kaz]
- s/section/section to "Meeting Schedule Changes" or something like that to avoid confusion with the "Publication Schedule Changes"./
- 12:34:35 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:34:40 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:35:36 [kaz]
- (McCool reorganizes the sections on the agenda wiki)
- 12:36:58 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Schedule
- 12:37:22 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We should have a press release before the REC publication
- 12:39:30 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:39:32 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Charter Review Status
- 12:39:42 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: I put some information in the wiki
- 12:39:57 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: We have some feedback regarding the charter template
- 12:41:04 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: I'll address the issue myself
- 12:41:19 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We should have the charter ready by Oct 1st
- 12:41:42 [kaz]
- s/issue/issue on the unintended removal of "all known" from the Charter template
- 12:41:51 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:42:01 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:42:14 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:42:32 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Publication
- 12:42:40 [kaz]
- q- later
- 12:42:47 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Is the TD ready?
- 12:43:04 [luca_barbato]
- ege: There is a pending PR that requires Directors' approval
- 12:43:06 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:43:29 [sebastian_]
- q+
- 12:43:51 [luca_barbato]
- mm: kaz can you comment in the PR to make official the Director approved it
- 12:45:10 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1858 PR1858 - Remove mention of atrisk section
- 12:45:18 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: Agreed
- 12:45:53 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Who is going to prepare the publication directories?
- 12:46:00 [luca_barbato]
- ege: I did before, I can do it
- 12:46:18 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: For the REC I can do it myself
- 12:46:40 [kaz]
- i|Agreed|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1843 PR1843 - Fix well known operation types only|
- 12:47:17 [luca_barbato]
- mm: There is a change in the Implementation Report, I can address it
- 12:47:50 [kaz]
- s/to make official the Director approved it/that those PRs have been approved?/
- 12:48:10 [luca_barbato]
- subtopic: Web Resource
- 12:48:14 [Ege]
- q_
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- q+
- 12:48:19 [kaz]
- s/that those/to record that those/
- 12:48:23 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:48:35 [cris_]
- q+
- 12:48:36 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We have two options, we could do both
- 12:48:42 [kaz]
- qq+
- 12:49:17 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: We need to respond to another comment in the Implementation Report
- 12:50:03 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:50:03 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
- 12:50:15 [luca_barbato]
- mm: I will take care of it
- 12:50:27 [McCool]
- ack s
- 12:51:17 [luca_barbato]
- ege: I'm a bit surprised on how it is done in the Discovery repo, maybe would be better to put the resources in a separate directory
- 12:51:24 [McCool]
- ack e
- 12:51:47 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We'll provide the frozen content in a separate location
- 12:51:50 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:52:11 [luca_barbato]
- ege: We should mirror them in a w3 server so we do not rely too much on github
- 12:52:52 [kaz]
- s/mirror/set up redirection/
- 12:53:01 [kaz]
- s/redirection/redirection for/
- 12:53:22 [luca_barbato]
- cris: Would be nice to use the same document format across all the TFs
- 12:54:04 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:54:05 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:54:11 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:54:11 [kaz]
- ack c
- 12:54:17 [Ege]
- qq+
- 12:54:35 [kaz]
- chair: McCool/Sebastian
- 12:54:36 [Ege]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
- 12:54:45 [luca_barbato]
- cris: We have a file with the mapping
- 12:54:51 [McCool]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
- 12:55:04 [cris_]
- ack c
- 12:55:23 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: We have only 5 minutes left, let's postpone the discussion
- 12:56:51 [kaz]
- present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
- 12:57:01 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Press Release
- 12:57:08 [sebastian_]
- q+
- 12:57:12 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We are waiting for testimonials
- 12:57:12 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:57:47 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Send testimonials to Sebastian
- 12:57:49 [kaz]
- s/discussion/discussion and ask people for Testimonials and TPAC minutes review instead./
- 12:57:54 [sebastian_]
- team-wot@w3.org
- 12:58:18 [sebastian_]
- s/team-wot@w3.org/
- 12:58:51 [kaz]
- i|Press Release|mm: (gives quick summarization of WoT resources, and then move forward to the Testimonials/TPAC mintues.)|
- 12:59:00 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:59:07 [luca_barbato]
- mm: I send a reminder by email
- 12:59:08 [sebastian_]
- ack s
- 12:59:12 [luca_barbato]
- s/I/I'll/
- 12:59:14 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:59:27 [luca_barbato]
- topic: TPAC Minutes
- 13:00:41 [luca_barbato]
- mm: Would be great if the TD can read and confirm their minutes, same for the other TFs
- 13:01:01 [luca_barbato]
- topic: Events
- 13:01:09 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html WoT WG/IG Day 1
- 13:01:10 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/15-wot-minutes.html WoT WG/IG Day 2
- 13:01:12 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/11-wot-minutes.html JSON-LD, WoT, RCH joint meeting
- 13:01:14 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-apa-minutes.html#t11 APA WG
- 13:01:16 [kaz]
- -> https://hackmd.io/@U6kq3KikTwSQiGSvlEw7vA/SyB0DJ3Cn Web Agent CG
- 13:01:18 [kaz]
- s/topic: Events//
- 13:01:20 [kaz]
- topic: Events
- 13:01:33 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:01:36 [kaz]
- ack e
- 13:01:36 [Zakim]
- Ege, you wanted to react to cris_
- 13:01:49 [luca_barbato]
- ege: There is the next CG meeting, with Seam presenting their solution
- 13:02:58 [luca_barbato]
- kaz: We should make sure what is a CG activity and what is a Liason activity
- 13:03:40 [cris_]
- q+
- 13:03:53 [McCool]
- ack k
- 13:03:59 [kaz]
- s/We should make/Thanks for handling those events on the CG side. In addition to that, we should make/
- 13:04:37 [luca_barbato]
- cris: We can put in the agenda a discussion on the update of the Scripting API
- 13:04:50 [sebastian]
- I have to go bye
- 13:05:10 [dape]
- q+
- 13:05:15 [kaz]
- s/what is a CG activity and what is a Liason activity/what to be done by the WG side, what to be done by the CG, and what to be done collaboratively. We've started discussion for that during TPAC, and should continue clarification discussion./
- 13:05:17 [luca_barbato]
- mm: We should coordinate the publication of Notes so they are published with the RECs
- 13:05:19 [cris_]
- ack c
- 13:05:27 [dape]
- ack Danrancan
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- ack dape
- 13:05:43 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:06:08 [luca_barbato]
- mm: The Notes should be updated before the press release
- 13:06:17 [kaz]
- kaz: sorry for the delay, but working on that
- 13:06:24 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:07:40 [kaz]
- i|Already reviewed|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html Sep-6|
- 13:11:45 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:11:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:12:44 [kaz]
- s/If everybody is fine to make resolution it is fine/If everybody really wants to make a resolution today, it is fine/
- 13:13:51 [kaz]
- i|We should not have cancellations|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
- 13:13:54 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:14:49 [kaz]
- s/We should have a press release before the REC publication/We should have Testimonials for a Press Release ready before the REC publication./
- 13:15:35 [kaz]
- s/Is the TD/subtopic: Specs/
- 13:15:59 [kaz]
- s/kaz can you/kaz, can you/
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- s/in the wiki/on the wiki/
- 13:21:20 [kaz]
- i|We should have T|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|
- 13:21:23 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
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