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14:06:01 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
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14:07:12 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:11:11 <cris_> scribe+
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14:11:20 <cris_> topic: previous minutes
14:11:35 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#18_September_2023
14:11:47 <cris_> s/minutes/TPAC minutes/
14:11:50 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4
14:12:12 <cris_> mc: create an issue for the #discovery html id
14:12:22 <cris_> ... we need to be consistent
14:12:45 <cris_> s/consistent/more specific/
14:12:48 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/228
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14:12:54 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|
14:12:58 <cris_> mc: created the issue above
14:13:07 <kaz> s/previous TPAC minutes/TPAC Minutes/
14:13:11 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:13:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:13:32 <kaz> present+ Andrea_Cimmino
14:13:38 <cris_> mc: we had a lost discussion in the last meeting but the point is not clear
14:13:59 <cris_> ... next time in security we need to review it
14:14:43 <cris_> ... found a problem
14:14:59 <cris_> ... it should be TD server not simply TD
14:15:20 <cris_> ... minutes ok, approved to be published
14:15:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:16:24 <kaz> s/TPAC Minutes/Previous Minutes/
14:16:56 <cris_> topic: Ontology for  DID vocabulary
14:16:57 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|
14:17:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:17:44 <cris_> mc: Andrea, I wanted to discussed about your PR
14:17:54 <cris_> s/discussed/discuss/
14:18:11 <cris_> andrea: I should have answered your comments
14:18:30 <cris_> mc: I don't want to import the whole Discovery ontology to the DID ontology
14:18:39 <cris_> andrea: correct
14:18:47 <cris_> ... we have two seperate context files
14:19:06 <cris_> ... the json payload will use only the context of DID
14:19:14 <cris_> ... not all Discovery spec
14:19:18 <kaz> i|minutes ok|("CoAP for TD" has been fixed as "CoAP for TD server")|
14:19:19 <cris_> s/spec/ontology/
14:19:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:19:34 <cris_> andrea: you don't pulling any ontology file
14:19:45 <cris_> ... you just use the context files
14:20:10 <kaz> i|Andrea, I|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/511 PR 511 - Update discovery-ontology.ttl|
14:20:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:20:20 <cris_> ... there is nothing retrieving the ontology doc
14:20:22 <cris_> mc: ok, let's review the process
14:21:25 <cris_> ... do we want this info in our discovery ontology or have a standalone document
14:21:45 <cris_> andrea: I think it make sense to have in the discovery ontology.
14:21:58 <cris_> mc: there is no collection with other classes
14:22:13 <cris_> s/collection/relationship/
14:23:11 <cris_> andrea: WoTDirectory should be aligned with Thing Directory
14:23:20 <cris_> q+
14:23:49 <cris_> mc: ok that was the ontology
14:23:57 <cris_> ... then you created a JSON-LD context
14:24:46 <cris_> andrea: I can refactor the PR in two separate ontologies
14:24:54 <cris_> mc: I understand the common practice
14:25:30 <cris_> michael shows the document
14:27:07 <cris_> cris: WoT Directory and ThingDirectory are not related?
14:27:32 <cris_> andrea: they could be related, but it depends on the degree
14:27:44 <cris_> ... they fulfil different functions.
14:30:43 <cris_> mc: WotDirectory is different WotThingDirectory
14:30:54 <cris_> ... they are unrelated
14:31:10 <cris_> andrea: putting them in different ontology does not solve the issues
14:31:16 <cris_> s/issues/issue/
14:31:52 <cris_> mc: at least I would not mistakenly use one type or the other
14:32:04 <cris_> andrea: we can improve the wording
14:33:03 <cris_> mc: is not legal to use the newly introduced terms in the TD
14:33:11 <cris_> s/is/it is/
14:34:36 <cris_> mc: we need tweak the name in the ontology to avoid confusion
14:34:40 <cris_> q+
14:35:52 <cris_> ack cris_
14:38:29 <cris_> Michael suggested changes on the PR
14:38:38 <cris_> andrea: +1
14:38:40 <cris_> cris: +1
14:39:06 <cris_> jan: about the directory service
14:39:43 <cris_> ... I would say that must described the TD Directory
14:40:44 <cris_> mc: committing
14:40:49 <cris_> ... any objections?
14:41:17 <cris_> ... ok done
14:41:45 <cris_> ... we have an extra blank line but should not be a problem
14:42:01 <cris_> jan: one question about the comment above, is it still correct?
14:42:14 <cris_> ... is it a little bit redundant
14:42:19 <cris_> mc: ok I'll change it
14:42:27 <kaz> q+
14:42:47 <cris_> ... does it look ok?
14:43:16 <cris_> kaz: maybe I missed previous discussions, does this ontology refers to other ontologies?
14:43:32 <cris_> mc: we are following DID ontology
14:44:22 <cris_> kaz: I asked because I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards
14:44:37 <cris_> ... the suggestion is to look at those dialects again
14:45:21 <cris_> ... the example is coming from the broadcasting industry
14:46:13 <cris_> mc: we are using DID but is not used anywhere else
14:46:22 <cris_> ... it is less modular as I liked
14:46:25 <cris_> ... but it is fine
14:46:41 <cris_> kaz: this is a good starting point for today
14:46:52 <cris_> ... but when we look into more use cases
14:46:59 <cris_> ... in TD in general we can review it
14:47:09 <cris_> mc: this is work ok for now
14:47:22 <cris_> ... now we should test this
14:47:41 <cris_> ... and I want to have our publication to be frozen
14:48:17 <cris_> ... I'm ok to merge PR 511 and 512
14:48:52 <cris_> jan: the file in the PR does not have a file extension
14:49:25 <cris_> mc: it is ok because it is returned by the URL
14:49:36 <cris_> ... we shoudl configure the website to use the right content-type
14:49:41 <cris_> q+
14:49:45 <kaz> s/refers to other ontologies?/refer to other existing ontologies for discovery purposes?/
14:49:47 <kaz> q-
14:51:18 <kaz> s/dialects/"dialects" of ontologies, meaning locally and separately defined ontolgies,
14:52:27 <cris_> mc: when I fetch a content type it is required to have a content-type?
14:52:35 <cris_> andrea: no, in sparql
14:52:57 <cris_> ... it expect to be json
14:53:11 <cris_> ... does it need to have the content-type in the header
14:53:24 <cris_> q+
14:53:34 <cris_> andrea: I think we should
14:53:36 <cris_> cris: +1
14:53:44 <cris_> mc: +1
14:54:07 <kaz> s/I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards/there was related discussion on TV broadcasting, and usage of mixture of ontologies depends on local standards./
14:54:21 <kaz> s/suggestion is/suggestion there was/
14:54:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:55:07 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:55:09 <cris_> cris: I would prefer to have the right file extension
14:55:21 <cris_> mc: ok, we can have a mapping later between url and files
14:56:01 <kaz> s/again/again as best practices./
14:56:22 <cris_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
14:57:03 <kaz> s/shoudl/should/
14:58:34 <kaz> i|Andrea, I wanted|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/512 PR 512 - Create discovery-did|
14:58:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:59:17 <cris_> mc: I noticed the namespace is github
14:59:17 <cris_> andrea: it was temporary
14:59:32 <cris_> mc: needs to be fixed
14:59:35 <cris_> andrea:+1
14:59:36 <cris_> cris: +1
15:03:06 <cris_> mc: we will discuss the process in the main call
15:03:22 <cris_> ... if you have any issues please propose a PR or create one
15:03:41 <kaz> q+
15:03:45 <cris_> mc: aob?
15:03:47 <cris_> ack cr
15:04:03 <cris_> kaz: this is related where to put resources
15:04:13 <cris_> mc: we are organizing things
15:04:23 <cris_> ... to be moved to publications
15:04:49 <cris_> kaz: we need more discussions including farshid
15:05:15 <cris_> mc: we will go over tpac minutes next time, check them
15:05:44 <cris_> [adjourned]
15:08:05 <kaz> s/we will go over tpac minutes, check them/btw, we didn't review the TPAC minutes, so will go over them. Please check them./
15:08:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:08:52 <kaz> s/related where/related to the discussion on where/
15:09:16 <kaz> s/we are/Yes, and we're/
15:09:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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