IRC log of wot-discovery on 2023-09-18

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14:06:01 [kaz]
meeting: WoT Discovery
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribe+
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topic: previous minutes
14:11:35 [kaz]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#18_September_2023
14:11:47 [cris_]
s/minutes/TPAC minutes/
14:11:50 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4
14:12:12 [cris_]
mc: create an issue for the #discovery html id
14:12:22 [cris_]
... we need to be consistent
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s/consistent/more specific/
14:12:48 [McCool_]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/228
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s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|
14:12:58 [cris_]
mc: created the issue above
14:13:07 [kaz]
s/previous TPAC minutes/TPAC Minutes/
14:13:11 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:13:32 [kaz]
present+ Andrea_Cimmino
14:13:38 [cris_]
mc: we had a lost discussion in the last meeting but the point is not clear
14:13:59 [cris_]
... next time in security we need to review it
14:14:43 [cris_]
... found a problem
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... it should be TD server not simply TD
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... minutes ok, approved to be published
14:15:45 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:16:24 [kaz]
s/TPAC Minutes/Previous Minutes/
14:16:56 [cris_]
topic: Ontology for DID vocabulary
14:16:57 [kaz]
s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|
14:17:02 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:17:44 [cris_]
mc: Andrea, I wanted to discussed about your PR
14:17:54 [cris_]
s/discussed/discuss/
14:18:11 [cris_]
andrea: I should have answered your comments
14:18:30 [cris_]
mc: I don't want to import the whole Discovery ontology to the DID ontology
14:18:39 [cris_]
andrea: correct
14:18:47 [cris_]
... we have two seperate context files
14:19:06 [cris_]
... the json payload will use only the context of DID
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... not all Discovery spec
14:19:18 [kaz]
i|minutes ok|("CoAP for TD" has been fixed as "CoAP for TD server")|
14:19:19 [cris_]
s/spec/ontology/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:19:34 [cris_]
andrea: you don't pulling any ontology file
14:19:45 [cris_]
... you just use the context files
14:20:10 [kaz]
i|Andrea, I|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/511 PR 511 - Update discovery-ontology.ttl|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:20:20 [cris_]
... there is nothing retrieving the ontology doc
14:20:22 [cris_]
mc: ok, let's review the process
14:21:25 [cris_]
... do we want this info in our discovery ontology or have a standalone document
14:21:45 [cris_]
andrea: I think it make sense to have in the discovery ontology.
14:21:58 [cris_]
mc: there is no collection with other classes
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s/collection/relationship/
14:23:11 [cris_]
andrea: WoTDirectory should be aligned with Thing Directory
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q+
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mc: ok that was the ontology
14:23:57 [cris_]
... then you created a JSON-LD context
14:24:46 [cris_]
andrea: I can refactor the PR in two separate ontologies
14:24:54 [cris_]
mc: I understand the common practice
14:25:30 [cris_]
michael shows the document
14:27:07 [cris_]
cris: WoT Directory and ThingDirectory are not related?
14:27:32 [cris_]
andrea: they could be related, but it depends on the degree
14:27:44 [cris_]
... they fulfil different functions.
14:30:43 [cris_]
mc: WotDirectory is different WotThingDirectory
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... they are unrelated
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andrea: putting them in different ontology does not solve the issues
14:31:16 [cris_]
s/issues/issue/
14:31:52 [cris_]
mc: at least I would not mistakenly use one type or the other
14:32:04 [cris_]
andrea: we can improve the wording
14:33:03 [cris_]
mc: is not legal to use the newly introduced terms in the TD
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s/is/it is/
14:34:36 [cris_]
mc: we need tweak the name in the ontology to avoid confusion
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q+
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ack cris_
14:38:29 [cris_]
Michael suggested changes on the PR
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andrea: +1
14:38:40 [cris_]
cris: +1
14:39:06 [cris_]
jan: about the directory service
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... I would say that must described the TD Directory
14:40:44 [cris_]
mc: committing
14:40:49 [cris_]
... any objections?
14:41:17 [cris_]
... ok done
14:41:45 [cris_]
... we have an extra blank line but should not be a problem
14:42:01 [cris_]
jan: one question about the comment above, is it still correct?
14:42:14 [cris_]
... is it a little bit redundant
14:42:19 [cris_]
mc: ok I'll change it
14:42:27 [kaz]
q+
14:42:47 [cris_]
... does it look ok?
14:43:16 [cris_]
kaz: maybe I missed previous discussions, does this ontology refers to other ontologies?
14:43:32 [cris_]
mc: we are following DID ontology
14:44:22 [cris_]
kaz: I asked because I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards
14:44:37 [cris_]
... the suggestion is to look at those dialects again
14:45:21 [cris_]
... the example is coming from the broadcasting industry
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mc: we are using DID but is not used anywhere else
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... it is less modular as I liked
14:46:25 [cris_]
... but it is fine
14:46:41 [cris_]
kaz: this is a good starting point for today
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... but when we look into more use cases
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... in TD in general we can review it
14:47:09 [cris_]
mc: this is work ok for now
14:47:22 [cris_]
... now we should test this
14:47:41 [cris_]
... and I want to have our publication to be frozen
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... I'm ok to merge PR 511 and 512
14:48:52 [cris_]
jan: the file in the PR does not have a file extension
14:49:25 [cris_]
mc: it is ok because it is returned by the URL
14:49:36 [cris_]
... we shoudl configure the website to use the right content-type
14:49:41 [cris_]
q+
14:49:45 [kaz]
s/refers to other ontologies?/refer to other existing ontologies for discovery purposes?/
14:49:47 [kaz]
q-
14:51:18 [kaz]
s/dialects/"dialects" of ontologies, meaning locally and separately defined ontolgies,
14:52:27 [cris_]
mc: when I fetch a content type it is required to have a content-type?
14:52:35 [cris_]
andrea: no, in sparql
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... it expect to be json
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... does it need to have the content-type in the header
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q+
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andrea: I think we should
14:53:36 [cris_]
cris: +1
14:53:44 [cris_]
mc: +1
14:54:07 [kaz]
s/I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards/there was related discussion on TV broadcasting, and usage of mixture of ontologies depends on local standards./
14:54:21 [kaz]
s/suggestion is/suggestion there was/
14:54:29 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:55:07 [kaz]
present+ Jan_Romann
14:55:09 [cris_]
cris: I would prefer to have the right file extension
14:55:21 [cris_]
mc: ok, we can have a mapping later between url and files
14:56:01 [kaz]
s/again/again as best practices./
14:56:22 [cris_]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
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s/shoudl/should/
14:58:34 [kaz]
i|Andrea, I wanted|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/512 PR 512 - Create discovery-did|
14:58:39 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:59:17 [cris_]
mc: I noticed the namespace is github
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andrea: it was temporary
14:59:32 [cris_]
mc: needs to be fixed
14:59:35 [cris_]
andrea:+1
14:59:36 [cris_]
cris: +1
15:03:06 [cris_]
mc: we will discuss the process in the main call
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... if you have any issues please propose a PR or create one
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q+
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mc: aob?
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ack cr
15:04:03 [cris_]
kaz: this is related where to put resources
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mc: we are organizing things
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... to be moved to publications
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kaz: we need more discussions including farshid
15:05:15 [cris_]
mc: we will go over tpac minutes next time, check them
15:05:44 [cris_]
[adjourned]
15:08:05 [kaz]
s/we will go over tpac minutes, check them/btw, we didn't review the TPAC minutes, so will go over them. Please check them./
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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s/related where/related to the discussion on where/
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s/we are/Yes, and we're/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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