IRC log of wot-discovery on 2023-09-18
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-irc
- 14:06:01 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT Discovery
- 14:07:01 [McCool_]
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 14:11:11 [cris_]
- scribe+
- 14:11:16 [JKRhb]
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- 14:11:20 [cris_]
- topic: previous minutes
- 14:11:35 [kaz]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#18_September_2023
- 14:11:47 [cris_]
- s/minutes/TPAC minutes/
- 14:11:50 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4
- 14:12:12 [cris_]
- mc: create an issue for the #discovery html id
- 14:12:22 [cris_]
- ... we need to be consistent
- 14:12:45 [cris_]
- s/consistent/more specific/
- 14:12:48 [McCool_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/228
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- 14:12:54 [kaz]
- s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|
- 14:12:58 [cris_]
- mc: created the issue above
- 14:13:07 [kaz]
- s/previous TPAC minutes/TPAC Minutes/
- 14:13:11 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 14:13:15 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:13:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:13:32 [kaz]
- present+ Andrea_Cimmino
- 14:13:38 [cris_]
- mc: we had a lost discussion in the last meeting but the point is not clear
- 14:13:59 [cris_]
- ... next time in security we need to review it
- 14:14:43 [cris_]
- ... found a problem
- 14:14:59 [cris_]
- ... it should be TD server not simply TD
- 14:15:20 [cris_]
- ... minutes ok, approved to be published
- 14:15:45 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:15:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:16:24 [kaz]
- s/TPAC Minutes/Previous Minutes/
- 14:16:56 [cris_]
- topic: Ontology for DID vocabulary
- 14:16:57 [kaz]
- s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC minutes - Day 1|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/04-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-4|
- 14:17:02 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:17:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:17:44 [cris_]
- mc: Andrea, I wanted to discussed about your PR
- 14:17:54 [cris_]
- s/discussed/discuss/
- 14:18:11 [cris_]
- andrea: I should have answered your comments
- 14:18:30 [cris_]
- mc: I don't want to import the whole Discovery ontology to the DID ontology
- 14:18:39 [cris_]
- andrea: correct
- 14:18:47 [cris_]
- ... we have two seperate context files
- 14:19:06 [cris_]
- ... the json payload will use only the context of DID
- 14:19:14 [cris_]
- ... not all Discovery spec
- 14:19:18 [kaz]
- i|minutes ok|("CoAP for TD" has been fixed as "CoAP for TD server")|
- 14:19:19 [cris_]
- s/spec/ontology/
- 14:19:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:19:22 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:19:34 [cris_]
- andrea: you don't pulling any ontology file
- 14:19:45 [cris_]
- ... you just use the context files
- 14:20:10 [kaz]
- i|Andrea, I|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/511 PR 511 - Update discovery-ontology.ttl|
- 14:20:11 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:20:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:20:20 [cris_]
- ... there is nothing retrieving the ontology doc
- 14:20:22 [cris_]
- mc: ok, let's review the process
- 14:21:25 [cris_]
- ... do we want this info in our discovery ontology or have a standalone document
- 14:21:45 [cris_]
- andrea: I think it make sense to have in the discovery ontology.
- 14:21:58 [cris_]
- mc: there is no collection with other classes
- 14:22:13 [cris_]
- s/collection/relationship/
- 14:23:11 [cris_]
- andrea: WoTDirectory should be aligned with Thing Directory
- 14:23:20 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:23:49 [cris_]
- mc: ok that was the ontology
- 14:23:57 [cris_]
- ... then you created a JSON-LD context
- 14:24:46 [cris_]
- andrea: I can refactor the PR in two separate ontologies
- 14:24:54 [cris_]
- mc: I understand the common practice
- 14:25:30 [cris_]
- michael shows the document
- 14:27:07 [cris_]
- cris: WoT Directory and ThingDirectory are not related?
- 14:27:32 [cris_]
- andrea: they could be related, but it depends on the degree
- 14:27:44 [cris_]
- ... they fulfil different functions.
- 14:30:43 [cris_]
- mc: WotDirectory is different WotThingDirectory
- 14:30:54 [cris_]
- ... they are unrelated
- 14:31:10 [cris_]
- andrea: putting them in different ontology does not solve the issues
- 14:31:16 [cris_]
- s/issues/issue/
- 14:31:52 [cris_]
- mc: at least I would not mistakenly use one type or the other
- 14:32:04 [cris_]
- andrea: we can improve the wording
- 14:33:03 [cris_]
- mc: is not legal to use the newly introduced terms in the TD
- 14:33:11 [cris_]
- s/is/it is/
- 14:34:36 [cris_]
- mc: we need tweak the name in the ontology to avoid confusion
- 14:34:40 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:35:52 [cris_]
- ack cris_
- 14:38:29 [cris_]
- Michael suggested changes on the PR
- 14:38:38 [cris_]
- andrea: +1
- 14:38:40 [cris_]
- cris: +1
- 14:39:06 [cris_]
- jan: about the directory service
- 14:39:43 [cris_]
- ... I would say that must described the TD Directory
- 14:40:44 [cris_]
- mc: committing
- 14:40:49 [cris_]
- ... any objections?
- 14:41:17 [cris_]
- ... ok done
- 14:41:45 [cris_]
- ... we have an extra blank line but should not be a problem
- 14:42:01 [cris_]
- jan: one question about the comment above, is it still correct?
- 14:42:14 [cris_]
- ... is it a little bit redundant
- 14:42:19 [cris_]
- mc: ok I'll change it
- 14:42:27 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:42:47 [cris_]
- ... does it look ok?
- 14:43:16 [cris_]
- kaz: maybe I missed previous discussions, does this ontology refers to other ontologies?
- 14:43:32 [cris_]
- mc: we are following DID ontology
- 14:44:22 [cris_]
- kaz: I asked because I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards
- 14:44:37 [cris_]
- ... the suggestion is to look at those dialects again
- 14:45:21 [cris_]
- ... the example is coming from the broadcasting industry
- 14:46:13 [cris_]
- mc: we are using DID but is not used anywhere else
- 14:46:22 [cris_]
- ... it is less modular as I liked
- 14:46:25 [cris_]
- ... but it is fine
- 14:46:41 [cris_]
- kaz: this is a good starting point for today
- 14:46:52 [cris_]
- ... but when we look into more use cases
- 14:46:59 [cris_]
- ... in TD in general we can review it
- 14:47:09 [cris_]
- mc: this is work ok for now
- 14:47:22 [cris_]
- ... now we should test this
- 14:47:41 [cris_]
- ... and I want to have our publication to be frozen
- 14:48:17 [cris_]
- ... I'm ok to merge PR 511 and 512
- 14:48:52 [cris_]
- jan: the file in the PR does not have a file extension
- 14:49:25 [cris_]
- mc: it is ok because it is returned by the URL
- 14:49:36 [cris_]
- ... we shoudl configure the website to use the right content-type
- 14:49:41 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:49:45 [kaz]
- s/refers to other ontologies?/refer to other existing ontologies for discovery purposes?/
- 14:49:47 [kaz]
- q-
- 14:51:18 [kaz]
- s/dialects/"dialects" of ontologies, meaning locally and separately defined ontolgies,
- 14:52:27 [cris_]
- mc: when I fetch a content type it is required to have a content-type?
- 14:52:35 [cris_]
- andrea: no, in sparql
- 14:52:57 [cris_]
- ... it expect to be json
- 14:53:11 [cris_]
- ... does it need to have the content-type in the header
- 14:53:24 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:53:34 [cris_]
- andrea: I think we should
- 14:53:36 [cris_]
- cris: +1
- 14:53:44 [cris_]
- mc: +1
- 14:54:07 [kaz]
- s/I saw usage of a mix of ontologies depending on local standards/there was related discussion on TV broadcasting, and usage of mixture of ontologies depends on local standards./
- 14:54:21 [kaz]
- s/suggestion is/suggestion there was/
- 14:54:29 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:54:30 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:55:07 [kaz]
- present+ Jan_Romann
- 14:55:09 [cris_]
- cris: I would prefer to have the right file extension
- 14:55:21 [cris_]
- mc: ok, we can have a mapping later between url and files
- 14:56:01 [kaz]
- s/again/again as best practices./
- 14:56:22 [cris_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/NAMESPACES.md
- 14:57:03 [kaz]
- s/shoudl/should/
- 14:58:34 [kaz]
- i|Andrea, I wanted|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/512 PR 512 - Create discovery-did|
- 14:58:39 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:58:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:59:17 [cris_]
- mc: I noticed the namespace is github
- 14:59:17 [cris_]
- andrea: it was temporary
- 14:59:32 [cris_]
- mc: needs to be fixed
- 14:59:35 [cris_]
- andrea:+1
- 14:59:36 [cris_]
- cris: +1
- 15:03:06 [cris_]
- mc: we will discuss the process in the main call
- 15:03:22 [cris_]
- ... if you have any issues please propose a PR or create one
- 15:03:41 [kaz]
- q+
- 15:03:45 [cris_]
- mc: aob?
- 15:03:47 [cris_]
- ack cr
- 15:04:03 [cris_]
- kaz: this is related where to put resources
- 15:04:13 [cris_]
- mc: we are organizing things
- 15:04:23 [cris_]
- ... to be moved to publications
- 15:04:49 [cris_]
- kaz: we need more discussions including farshid
- 15:05:15 [cris_]
- mc: we will go over tpac minutes next time, check them
- 15:05:44 [cris_]
- [adjourned]
- 15:08:05 [kaz]
- s/we will go over tpac minutes, check them/btw, we didn't review the TPAC minutes, so will go over them. Please check them./
- 15:08:13 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:08:15 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 15:08:52 [kaz]
- s/related where/related to the discussion on where/
- 15:09:16 [kaz]
- s/we are/Yes, and we're/
- 15:09:28 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:09:29 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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