IRC log of trustable-internet on 2023-09-13

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zakim, start meeting
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jay
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present+
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shigeya: update trustable internet concept which was announced at last TPAC
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present+
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shigeya: user generate content to share: trustable internet, Japanese gov. promotion: Trusted Web, Originator Profile: is not mentioned today.
09:09:49 [weiler]
What is meant by "trust" here?
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meeting: Updates on the "Trustable Internet" project
09:09:49 [Jay]
... We will present first two issue.
09:09:49 [weiler]
q+
09:09:49 [kaz]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
09:09:58 [kaz]
q?
09:09:58 [Jay]
Sakuma: This is mainly update of "Trustable Internet"
09:09:58 [kaz]
zakim, who is on the call?
09:09:58 [Zakim]
Present: Jay, y-sakuma, weiler
09:10:03 [kaz]
present+
09:10:11 [Jay]
... [agenda bashing]
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present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi
09:11:28 [sandro]
present+ Sandro_Hawke
09:11:28 [kaz]
i/update trustable i/scribenick: Jay/
09:11:28 [Jay]
... [video of this concept]
09:12:32 [kaz]
i/update trustable i/topic: Opening/
09:12:37 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
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09:14:02 [kaz]
present+ Takuya_Sakamoto, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Ryosuke_Abe, Ryo_Yasuoka, Nimura
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09:14:50 [kaz]
present+ Bruno_Vavala, Dmitri_Zagidulin, Hisayuki_Ohmata, Kunihiko_Toumura, Masayuki_Fukui
09:15:03 [kaz]
q?
09:15:24 [Jay]
... summary of "Trustable Internet"
09:15:30 [weiler]
q-
09:16:14 [kaz]
i/We will present/topic: Presentation/
09:16:25 [Jay]
... [explain PoC in IETF demo]
09:16:28 [kaz]
i|We will present|-> https://github.com/y-sakuma-fjlab/ti_tpac2023_breakout/blob/main/W3CTPAC_TrustableInternet.pdf Slides|
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09:20:36 [weiler]
[sharing some questions as they come to mind: how does one discover endorsements? Must they be provided by the Endorsee or can they be found independently?]
09:20:45 [Jay]
... slide:endorsement data structure:
09:21:30 [Jay]
...slide: example of endorsement
09:21:46 [weiler]
[how are these authenticated? What Identifiers and PKIs are used to validate the claims?]
09:23:17 [Jay]
... slide: Necessary of standardization
09:23:45 [kaz]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
09:24:04 [shigeya]
present+
09:24:28 [weiler]
[would you explain more how this differs from the Trusted Web proposal being presented this afternoon?]]
09:25:21 [Jay]
... open discusiion
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q+
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q?
09:25:48 [Jay]
sam: ome questions
09:25:53 [kaz]
present+ Osamu_Nakamura, Naomi_Yoshizawa, Wonsuk_Lee, Sami_Tikkala, Hiroshi_Ota, Lee_Wegener
09:26:06 [weiler]
s/some questions/where would you like to queue?/
09:26:56 [kaz]
present+ In_Song_Lee, Yen-Lin_Huang, Michiel_de_Jong, Theo_Warren, Hyojin_Song
09:27:39 [y-sakuma]
q?
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ack w
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chair: Sakuma
09:28:50 [Jay]
shigeya: discovery isse: basic data model endorse creator create endorsement.
09:29:05 [kaz]
s/isse:/issue:/
09:29:08 [weiler]
q+
09:29:19 [kaz]
s/ ome / some /
09:29:23 [Jay]
... challenging issue.
09:30:35 [Jay]
... Fleshing the info is important issue to discuss.
09:32:53 [sandro]
But where does that extension find its data?
09:33:40 [y-sakuma]
q?
09:34:18 [sandro]
One big question is who is trusted to provide that data feed.
09:34:46 [kaz]
q?
09:35:00 [Jay]
shigeya: next question is how to validate the data.
09:36:30 [y-sakuma]
q?
09:36:33 [Jay]
... neutral of authentic is important. we need more progress.
09:36:45 [weiler]
I heard you say you're using a private root of trust - I would be more interested in something that could leverage existing authentication infrastrcture....
09:36:50 [Jay]
ack sam
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ack weiler
09:37:21 [weiler]
q+
09:37:45 [sandro]
I suggest people look at some prior work done by the Credible Web CG, especially https://www.w3.org/2018/10/credibility-tech/ and https://credweb.org/reviewed-signals
09:38:21 [weiler]
would you explain more how this differs from the Trusted Web proposal being presented this afternoon?]
09:38:54 [Jay]
shigeya: this is very flexible structure.
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q?
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ack me
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09:40:04 [Jay]
... Trusted Web is generalized Identity scheme. This model is corporated with another system.
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09:41:00 [Jay]
... Details will be discussed in this evening.
09:41:35 [weiler]
+1 re: transport being hardest, though I'd call the problem more one of "discovery"
09:42:34 [Jay]
sandro: how to create, consume has some problem on tranport.
09:44:34 [weiler]
How do protect your cosumption metrics from Sybil attacks? (forged identities)
09:44:50 [Jay]
s/sandro: /@@@:/
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s/forged identities/one party pretending to be many people/
09:47:02 [kaz]
s/@@@:/Michiel:/
09:47:52 [Jay]
shigeya: 2 things. how to easy acceible from user.
09:48:48 [weiler]
zakim, who's on the call?
09:48:48 [Zakim]
Present: Jay, y-sakuma, weiler, kaz, Tatsuya_Igarashi, Sandro_Hawke, Takuya_Sakamoto, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Ryosuke_Abe, Ryo_Yasuoka, Nimura, Bruno_Vavala, Dmitri_Zagidulin,
09:48:50 [Zakim]
... Hisayuki_Ohmata, Kunihiko_Toumura, Masayuki_Fukui, shigeya, Osamu_Nakamura, Naomi_Yoshizawa, Wonsuk_Lee, Sami_Tikkala, Hiroshi_Ota, Lee_Wegener, In_Song_Lee, Yen-Lin_Huang,
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... Michiel_de_Jong, Theo_Warren, Hyojin_Song
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09:49:44 [Jay]
Michiel: Social web CG is discussing this issue.
09:49:44 [Jay]
q?
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q?
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q?
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q?
09:49:55 [sandro]
q+ to ask who is ready to work on this?
09:50:03 [shigeya]
ack sandro
09:50:03 [Zakim]
sandro, you wanted to ask who is ready to work on this?
09:50:05 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
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09:50:23 [kaz]
q+
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sandro: @
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credweb.org
09:53:11 [Jay]
... recommend credweb.org to check
09:53:12 [y-sakuma]
q?
09:53:20 [shigeya]
ack kaz
09:54:18 [Jay]
kaz: In general, all stakeholder should each CG, org...
09:54:20 [sandro]
+1 gather stakeholders
09:54:35 [shigeya]
+1 to gather stakeholders
09:54:46 [Jay]
s/should/should check/
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q?
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https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/
09:56:49 [kaz]
s/all stakeholder should each CG, org.../we should ask experts here, e.g., Sam, sandro and Michiel, for further information and have collaborative discussion about the existing groups./
09:56:55 [Jay]
kaz: before to create CG, frequent communication with related group.
09:57:44 [igarashi]
I suggest to create a draft of CG chater and then ask the communities if they are interested in the CG.
09:57:50 [shigeya]
my email address: shigeya@wide.ad.jp
09:57:51 [kaz]
s/before to create CG, frequent communication with related group./Before creating a new CG, would suggest you talk with the experts here to gather information about the existing groups. Then you can see if we really need a new CG./
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q?
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ack igarashi
09:58:24 [Jay]
igarashi:
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... Trust anker is very important.
09:59:47 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
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s/anker/anchor/
10:01:13 [Jay]
y-sakuma: next action: continuous discussion
10:01:13 [Jay]
[adjourned]
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rrsagent, make draft
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft', Jay. Try /msg RRSAgent help
10:02:08 [kaz]
s/all stakeholder should check each CG, org/we should gather all the stakeholders around this proposal. I'd suggest we start with experts here, e.g., Sam, Sandro and Michiel, for further information about the existing groups./
10:02:17 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
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10:25:16 [sandro]
I note that the video shown seems to be available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_wEfEO5vTg
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html sandro
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