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08:31:49 <Jay> zakim, start meeting
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08:31:50 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jay
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08:57:33 <Jay> present+
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09:06:59 <Jay> shigeya: update trustable internet concept which was announced at last TPAC
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09:09:49 <Jay> shigeya: user generate content to share: trustable internet, Japanese gov. promotion: Trusted Web, Originator Profile: is not mentioned today.
09:09:49 <weiler> What is meant by "trust" here?
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09:09:49 <kaz> meeting: Updates on the "Trustable Internet" project
09:09:49 <Jay> ... We will present first two issue.
09:09:49 <weiler> q+
09:09:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
09:09:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/13-trustable-internet-minutes.html kaz
09:09:58 <kaz> q?
09:09:58 <Jay> Sakuma: This is mainly update of "Trustable Internet"
09:09:58 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
09:09:58 <Zakim> Present: Jay, y-sakuma, weiler
09:10:03 <kaz> present+
09:10:11 <Jay> ... [agenda bashing]
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09:10:41 <igarashi> present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi
09:11:28 <sandro> present+ Sandro_Hawke
09:11:28 <kaz> i/update trustable i/scribenick: Jay/
09:11:28 <Jay> ... [video of this concept]
09:12:32 <kaz> i/update trustable i/topic: Opening/
09:12:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:14:02 <kaz> present+ Takuya_Sakamoto, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Ryosuke_Abe, Ryo_Yasuoka, Nimura
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09:14:50 <kaz> present+ Bruno_Vavala, Dmitri_Zagidulin, Hisayuki_Ohmata, Kunihiko_Toumura, Masayuki_Fukui
09:15:03 <kaz> q?
09:15:24 <Jay> ... summary of "Trustable Internet"
09:15:30 <weiler> q-
09:16:14 <kaz> i/We will present/topic: Presentation/
09:16:25 <Jay> ... [explain PoC in IETF demo]
09:16:28 <kaz> i|We will present|-> https://github.com/y-sakuma-fjlab/ti_tpac2023_breakout/blob/main/W3CTPAC_TrustableInternet.pdf Slides|
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09:20:36 <weiler> [sharing some questions as they come to mind:  how does one discover endorsements?  Must they be provided by the Endorsee or can they be found independently?]
09:20:45 <Jay> ... slide:endorsement data structure:
09:21:30 <Jay> ...slide: example of endorsement
09:21:46 <weiler> [how are these authenticated?  What Identifiers and PKIs are used to validate the claims?]
09:23:17 <Jay> ... slide: Necessary of standardization
09:23:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:24:04 <shigeya> present+
09:24:28 <weiler> [would you explain more how this differs from the Trusted Web proposal being presented this afternoon?]]
09:25:21 <Jay> ... open discusiion
09:25:35 <weiler> q+
09:25:48 <y-sakuma> q?
09:25:48 <Jay> sam: ome questions
09:25:53 <kaz> present+ Osamu_Nakamura, Naomi_Yoshizawa, Wonsuk_Lee, Sami_Tikkala, Hiroshi_Ota, Lee_Wegener
09:26:06 <weiler> s/some questions/where would you like to queue?/
09:26:56 <kaz> present+ In_Song_Lee, Yen-Lin_Huang, Michiel_de_Jong, Theo_Warren, Hyojin_Song
09:27:39 <y-sakuma> q?
09:28:16 <kaz> ack w
09:28:28 <kaz> chair: Sakuma
09:28:50 <Jay> shigeya: discovery isse: basic data model endorse creator create endorsement.
09:29:05 <kaz> s/isse:/issue:/
09:29:08 <weiler> q+
09:29:19 <kaz> s/ ome / some /
09:29:23 <Jay> ... challenging issue.
09:30:35 <Jay> ... Fleshing the info is important issue to discuss.
09:32:53 <sandro> But where does that extension find its data?
09:33:40 <y-sakuma> q?
09:34:18 <sandro> One big question is who is trusted to provide that data feed.
09:34:46 <kaz> q?
09:35:00 <Jay> shigeya: next question is how to validate the data.
09:36:30 <y-sakuma> q?
09:36:33 <Jay> ... neutral of authentic is important. we need more progress.
09:36:45 <weiler> I heard you say you're using a private root of trust - I would be more interested in something that could leverage existing authentication infrastrcture....
09:36:50 <Jay> ack sam
09:37:14 <Jay> ack weiler
09:37:21 <weiler> q+
09:37:45 <sandro> I suggest people look at some prior work done by the Credible Web CG, especially https://www.w3.org/2018/10/credibility-tech/ and https://credweb.org/reviewed-signals
09:38:21 <weiler> would you explain more how this differs from the Trusted Web proposal being presented this afternoon?]
09:38:54 <Jay> shigeya: this is very flexible structure.
09:39:12 <y-sakuma> q?
09:39:19 <weiler> ack me
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09:40:04 <Jay> ... Trusted Web is generalized Identity scheme. This model is corporated with another system.
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09:41:00 <Jay> ... Details will be discussed in this evening.
09:41:35 <weiler> +1 re: transport being hardest, though I'd call the problem more one of "discovery"
09:42:34 <Jay> sandro: how to create, consume has some problem on tranport.
09:44:34 <weiler> How do protect your cosumption metrics from Sybil attacks?  (forged identities)
09:44:50 <Jay> s/sandro: /@@@:/
09:45:27 <weiler> s/forged identities/one party pretending to be many people/
09:47:02 <kaz> s/@@@:/Michiel:/
09:47:52 <Jay> shigeya: 2 things. how to easy acceible from user.
09:48:48 <weiler> zakim, who's on the call?
09:48:48 <Zakim> Present: Jay, y-sakuma, weiler, kaz, Tatsuya_Igarashi, Sandro_Hawke, Takuya_Sakamoto, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Ryosuke_Abe, Ryo_Yasuoka, Nimura, Bruno_Vavala, Dmitri_Zagidulin,
09:48:50 <Zakim> ... Hisayuki_Ohmata, Kunihiko_Toumura, Masayuki_Fukui, shigeya, Osamu_Nakamura, Naomi_Yoshizawa, Wonsuk_Lee, Sami_Tikkala, Hiroshi_Ota, Lee_Wegener, In_Song_Lee, Yen-Lin_Huang,
09:48:50 <Zakim> ... Michiel_de_Jong, Theo_Warren, Hyojin_Song
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09:49:44 <Jay> Michiel: Social web CG is discussing this issue.
09:49:44 <Jay> q?
09:49:44 <y-sakuma> q?
09:49:44 <kaz> q?
09:49:45 <shigeya> q?
09:49:55 <sandro> q+ to ask who is ready to work on this?
09:50:03 <shigeya> ack sandro
09:50:03 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask who is ready to work on this?
09:50:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:51:58 <Jay> sandro: @
09:52:29 <sandro> credweb.org
09:53:11 <Jay> ... recommend credweb.org to check
09:53:12 <y-sakuma> q?
09:53:20 <shigeya> ack kaz
09:54:18 <Jay> kaz: In general, all stakeholder should each CG, org...
09:54:20 <sandro> +1 gather stakeholders
09:54:35 <shigeya> +1 to gather stakeholders
09:54:46 <Jay> s/should/should check/
09:55:13 <kaz> q?
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09:56:48 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/
09:56:49 <kaz> s/all stakeholder should each CG, org.../we should ask experts here, e.g., Sam, sandro and Michiel, for further information and have collaborative discussion about the existing groups./
09:56:55 <Jay> kaz: before to create CG, frequent communication with related group.
09:57:44 <igarashi> I suggest to create a draft of CG chater and then ask the communities if they are interested in the CG.
09:57:50 <shigeya> my email address: shigeya@wide.ad.jp
09:57:51 <kaz> s/before to create CG, frequent communication with related group./Before creating a new CG, would suggest you talk with the experts here to gather information about the existing groups. Then you can see if we really need a new CG./
09:58:07 <igarashi> q+
09:58:08 <kaz> q?
09:58:16 <shigeya> ack igarashi
09:58:24 <Jay> igarashi:
09:59:35 <Jay> ... Trust anker is very important.
09:59:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:59:54 <kaz> s/anker/anchor/
10:01:13 <Jay> y-sakuma: next action: continuous discussion
10:01:13 <Jay> [adjourned]
10:01:14 <Jay> rrsagent, make draft
10:01:14 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft', Jay.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
10:02:08 <kaz> s/all stakeholder should check each CG, org/we should gather all the stakeholders around this proposal. I'd suggest we start with experts here, e.g., Sam, Sandro and Michiel, for further information about the existing groups./
10:02:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:25:16 <sandro> I note that the video shown seems to be available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_wEfEO5vTg
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