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06:19:34 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization (I18N) WG - TPAC 2023 - Tuesday
06:19:41 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
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06:20:14 <addison> present+ Addison
06:20:49 <addison> Topic: Today's Live Schedule
06:20:51 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning
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06:21:28 <addison> agenda+ reviews needs-attention issues
06:21:36 <addison> agenda+ review CSS issues for thursday
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07:13:05 <addison> **Note well: meeting with RDF is at 10:30, not 9:30**
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07:39:45 <addison_> present+ Bert, Richard
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07:40:04 <addison_> agenda?
07:44:24 <addison_> Topic: Today
07:44:24 <addison_> agenda?
07:49:56 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 1
07:49:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- reviews needs-attention issues -- taken up [from addison]
07:50:17 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention
07:52:22 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1361
07:52:45 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/175
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07:55:14 <xfq> addison_: this spec also links to the HTML autocomplete attribute
07:55:22 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
07:55:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
07:55:34 <xfq> ... I could try to reopen this issue
07:56:03 <xfq> present+ Thomas
07:56:44 <xfq> ... I'll mark this as repoen
07:56:48 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1358
07:57:40 <xfq> addison_: this issue is open
07:57:50 <xfq> ... it's about RTL named group support in URLPattern
07:58:10 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1368
07:59:45 <xfq> xfq: we have two tracker issues, 1358 and 1368
07:59:57 <xfq> addison_: will close 1368
08:00:18 <xfq> s/will close 1368/will close 1358
08:00:53 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1038
08:02:10 <xfq> addison_: there's a request at the bottom of it
08:02:29 <xfq> r12a: I'm not sure if it's a tatweel or a hyphen
08:03:45 <xfq> xfq: when browsers implement this, should they use tatweel or hyphen?
08:04:03 <xfq> r12a: no conclusion in the Unicode Consortium yet
08:04:25 <xfq> ... we had a discussion not long ago, and another discussion about N'Ko
08:05:23 <xfq> ... for N'Ko the conlsusion was to use the N'Ko character
08:05:23 <xfq> ... this is a soft hyphen
08:05:23 <xfq> ... I think this should use tatweel
08:05:23 <xfq> ... this is just an example
08:07:14 <xfq> ... I'll reply Florian
08:07:20 <xfq> s/reply Florian/reply to Florian
08:07:33 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1037
08:08:14 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5972
08:10:09 <xfq> addison_: CSSWG rejected it
08:10:32 <xfq> ... and the question is whether if r12a is satisfied
08:13:25 <xfq> r12a: I don't know whether that's a valid distinction or not
08:13:48 <r12a> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-wbr-element
08:14:48 <xfq> Bert: use word-break for long URLs
08:14:57 <xfq> ... I don't expect hyphens in that case
08:15:05 <xfq> addison_: is that intentional?
08:15:29 <xfq> r12a: the HTML example is better for soft hyphens rather than wbr
08:15:58 <xfq> ... the HTML spec says the wbr element represents a line break opportunity
08:16:15 <xfq> it doesn't say "a line break opportunity without hyphenation"
08:16:26 <xfq> s/it doesn't say "a line break opportunity without hyphenation"/... it doesn't say "a line break opportunity without hyphenation"/
08:16:48 <xfq> Bert: if you put the style in the wbr element itself, it doesn't do anything
08:16:55 <xfq> ... you have to put it in the element outside
08:18:33 <xfq> addison_: should we make it a needs-resolution issue?
08:18:37 <xfq> r12a: I think so
08:20:10 <xfq> ... there's no problem if you're using this approach if you use it for URLs
08:20:45 <xfq> ... if you try to click or copy and paste it it will work
08:20:45 <addison_> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6326
08:20:45 <xfq> Bert: and that's why I use wbr
08:21:17 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/980
08:23:57 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/894
08:25:41 <xfq> r12a: I think 894 should be closed
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08:32:52 <addison> Topic: Meeting with RDF-*
08:32:52 <addison> see their notes
08:33:52 <addison> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/12-rdf-star-irc#T08-33-10
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09:29:21 <addison> action: richard to follow up on the bidi thread of rdf-star
09:29:30 <gb> Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe richard is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions?
09:29:35 <addison> gb, richard is r12a
09:29:35 <gb> addison, OK.
09:29:52 <addison> action: richard to follow up on the bidi thread of rdf-star
09:29:53 <gb> Created -> action #44 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/44
09:32:13 <addison> agenda?
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09:43:49 <addison> Topic: APA WG meeting
09:43:49 <addison> Location: Ultera, 1st floor
09:44:29 <addison> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/12-apa-irc#T09-43-49
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09:45:36 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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12:45:10 <addison> agenda?
12:45:56 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:45:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- review CSS issues for thursday -- taken up [from addison]
12:50:26 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning#proposed-css-joint-agenda
12:51:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/projects/39
12:54:27 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11
12:57:39 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/10
13:06:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/projects/39
13:11:44 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3
13:14:37 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/220
13:25:28 <r12a> sideways tests: https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-tests/results/int-vertical-text.html#dutch
13:25:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/243
13:27:14 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/issues/318
13:38:19 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning#proposed-css-joint-agenda
13:40:24 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/
13:41:20 <addison> Topic: WCAG
13:41:21 <addison> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/8f9736a7-09f1-4133-b3f0-3800f777a5fb/
13:47:16 <addison> email sent to wcag
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13:48:18 <addison> present+ Fatima
13:51:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/12-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:08:21 <addison> (discussing what else to accomplish today)
14:08:27 <addison> (pinging wcag)
14:08:34 <addison> (chat-chatting with css)
14:08:40 <addison> (introductions with fatima)
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14:26:37 <xfq> (Discuss WCAG and process issues)
14:37:19 <addison> adjourned
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