IRC log of forms on 2023-09-08
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- Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 September 2023
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- Chair: Steven
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0000
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- Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/08/11-forms-minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/08-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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- Steven: What should happen if the bindings mismatch?
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- Erik: xforms-binding-error
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- Steven: Should they both get it?
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- Alain: Just the parent
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- Erik: Well, some processing has happened in the child at that point, so I'm not sure...
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- Steven: You will have initialised the instances in the child already
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- Alain: The error should be in the parent, and the child just dies
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- Erik: The default of an error is halting, with recovery if you cancel the default.
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- Steven: I think recovery is something you might want to do.
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- Erik: In all cases where processing halts, there is an error event first.
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- Steven: So both parent and child should get an event
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- Alain: There might be a case where the child offers to share, but the parent doesn't supply anything.
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- Steven: I'm not convinced
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- Steven: Moving to the <shared/> element
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- ... do we agree that the @initial is not an AVT?
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- Erik: It is part of initialising
- 14:18:39 [Steven]
- Alain: I don't see a use case...
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- Steven: Do we include attributes in the ahring?
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- Alain: Yes
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- Erik: Yes
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- Alain: Namespaces?
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- Erik: We have specified how we handle namespaces. There are a couple of ways to do it. You could import all inscope namespaces, or only the ones used.
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- Alain: In the embedded form, the namespaces should be declared
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- Erik: The document could be entirely new...
- 14:23:01 [Steven]
- ... with thousands of new namespaces
- 14:23:58 [Steven]
- Erik: Alain: There could be conflicts
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- s/Erik://
- 14:25:30 [Steven]
- Erik: It should be fine
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- Steven: Do we think this needs more thought?
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- Erik: I need to see an example that might be a problem
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- Steven: Why is this different from submission replace= for a sub part of an instance?
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- Erik: Seems similar
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- Alain: The author has to watch out for namespace issues
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- Steven: On to <signal/>
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- ... should we make it exactly like <dispatch/>
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- Alain: Make it exactly like dispatch.
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- Erik: COnsistency is good
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- s/CO/Co/
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- Steven: When signalling the parent, is it required that there be a <shared/> element?
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- ... and if so what should the error be?
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- Erik: Can we embed a form without a <shared/> element?
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- Steven: Yes.
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- Erik: I think we should require a shared element.
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- Steven: On the other hand, if it's embedded, even without a shared element, why not?
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- Erik: Not a really important issue.
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- Steven: I suggest we allow it.
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- Alain: OK
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- Steven: I'll produce a new version
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- Topic: XPath 4.0 functions for node construction
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Jul/att-0000/00-part
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- Steven: Anythin we need to do?
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- s/thin/thing/
- 14:36:09 [Steven]
- Erik: Depends on whether the issue is still open.
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- Alain: We could use the same names...
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- Erik: Having functions to do this is good. I like it
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- ... but we have them anyway
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- ... element() ad attribute()
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- ... we could look to see if we need more
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- s/ ad / and /
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- Alain: We should avoid name conflicts
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- Erik: I see some new comments on the issue
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- ... consistency is not quite there.
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- ... We can chime in with opinions
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- Steven: No actions then, just keep our eyes open
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- ACTION: Steven produce new <control/> spec
- 14:39:39 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2343 - Produce new <control/> spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-09-15].
- 14:40:29 [Steven]
- Close action-2330
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- Closed action-2330.
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- close action-2314
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- Closed action-2314.
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- Topic: AOB
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- Steven: I'm teaching XForms at the XML Summer School next week.
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- Steven: No call for two weeks.
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- i/Present:/Topic: The Control Element
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- s/ahring/sharing/
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