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13:49:55 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:49:55 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2023
13:50:05 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:50:31 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0000
13:50:56 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/08/11-forms-minutes
13:51:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/08-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:01:13 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:04:56 <Steven> Steven: What should happen if the bindings mismatch?
14:05:09 <Steven> Erik: xforms-binding-error
14:05:16 <Steven> Steven: Should they both get it?
14:05:30 <Steven> Alain: Just the parent
14:06:13 <Steven> Erik: Well, some processing has happened in the child at that point, so I'm not sure...
14:07:04 <Steven> Steven: You will have initialised the instances in the child already
14:08:36 <Steven> Alain: The error should be in the parent, and the child just dies
14:09:19 <Steven> Erik: The default of an error is halting, with recovery if you cancel the default.
14:10:33 <Steven> Steven: I think recovery is something you might want to do.
14:12:59 <Steven> Erik: In all cases where processing halts, there is an error event first.
14:13:14 <Steven> Steven: So both parent and child should get an event
14:15:36 <Steven> Alain: There might be a case where the child offers to share, but the parent doesn't supply anything.
14:16:50 <Steven> Steven: I'm not convinced
14:17:40 <Steven> Steven: Moving to the <shared/> element
14:18:13 <Steven> ... do we agree that the @initial is not an AVT?
14:18:26 <Steven> Erik: It is part of initialising
14:18:39 <Steven> Alain: I don't see a use case...
14:20:11 <Steven> Steven: Do we include attributes in the ahring?
14:20:14 <Steven> Alain: Yes
14:20:17 <Steven> Erik: Yes
14:20:55 <Steven> Alain: Namespaces?
14:22:06 <Steven> Erik: We have specified how we handle namespaces. There are a couple of ways to do it. You could import all inscope namespaces, or only the ones used.
14:22:38 <Steven> Alain: In the embedded form, the namespaces should be declared
14:22:51 <Steven> Erik: The document could be entirely new...
14:23:01 <Steven> ... with thousands of new namespaces
14:23:58 <Steven> Erik: Alain: There could be conflicts
14:24:05 <Steven> s/Erik://
14:25:30 <Steven> Erik: It should be fine
14:25:56 <Steven> Steven: Do we think this needs more thought?
14:26:07 <Steven> Erik: I need to see an example that might be a problem
14:27:08 <Steven> Steven: Why is this different from submission replace= for a sub part of an instance?
14:27:17 <Steven> Erik: Seems similar
14:27:43 <Steven> Alain: The author has to watch out for namespace issues
14:29:00 <Steven> Steven: On to <signal/>
14:29:17 <Steven> ... should we make it exactly like <dispatch/>
14:29:29 <Steven> Alain: Make it exactly like dispatch.
14:29:43 <Steven> Erik: COnsistency is good
14:29:49 <Steven> s/CO/Co/
14:31:23 <Steven> Steven: When signalling the parent, is it required that there be a <shared/> element?
14:31:43 <Steven> ... and if so what should the error be?
14:32:18 <Steven> Erik: Can we embed a form without a <shared/> element?
14:32:25 <Steven> Steven: Yes.
14:32:42 <Steven> Erik: I think we should require a shared element.
14:33:52 <Steven> Steven: On the other hand, if it's embedded, even without a shared element, why not?
14:34:20 <Steven> Erik: Not a really important issue.
14:34:28 <Steven> Steven: I suggest we allow it.
14:34:30 <Steven> Alain: OK
14:35:13 <Steven> Steven: I'll produce a new version
14:35:27 <Steven> Topic: XPath 4.0 functions for node construction
14:35:27 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Jul/att-0000/00-part
14:35:35 <Steven> Steven: Anythin we need to do?
14:35:41 <Steven> s/thin/thing/
14:36:09 <Steven> Erik: Depends on whether the issue is still open.
14:36:17 <Steven> Alain: We could use the same names...
14:36:46 <Steven> Erik: Having functions to do this is good. I like it
14:36:56 <Steven> ... but we have them anyway
14:37:20 <Steven> ... element() ad attribute()
14:37:36 <Steven> ... we could look to see if we need more
14:37:45 <Steven> s/ ad / and /
14:38:01 <Steven> Alain: We should avoid name conflicts
14:38:19 <Steven> Erik: I see some new comments on the issue
14:38:36 <Steven> ... consistency is not quite there.
14:38:43 <Steven> ... We can chime in with opinions
14:39:17 <Steven> Steven: No actions then, just keep our eyes open
14:39:30 <Steven> ACTION: Steven produce new <control/> spec
14:39:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2343 - Produce new <control/> spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-09-15].
14:40:29 <Steven> Close action-2330
14:40:29 <trackbot> Closed action-2330.
14:40:38 <Steven> close action-2314
14:40:39 <trackbot> Closed action-2314.
14:40:44 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:41:22 <Steven> Steven: I'm teaching XForms at the XML Summer School next week.
14:41:33 <Steven> Steven: No call for two weeks.
14:42:02 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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14:43:11 <Steven> i/Present:/Topic: The Control Element
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14:44:11 <Steven> s/ahring/sharing/
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