IRC log of forms on 2023-09-08

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Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 September 2023
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Chair: Steven
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0000
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/08/11-forms-minutes
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14:01:13 [Steven]
Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:04:56 [Steven]
Steven: What should happen if the bindings mismatch?
14:05:09 [Steven]
Erik: xforms-binding-error
14:05:16 [Steven]
Steven: Should they both get it?
14:05:30 [Steven]
Alain: Just the parent
14:06:13 [Steven]
Erik: Well, some processing has happened in the child at that point, so I'm not sure...
14:07:04 [Steven]
Steven: You will have initialised the instances in the child already
14:08:36 [Steven]
Alain: The error should be in the parent, and the child just dies
14:09:19 [Steven]
Erik: The default of an error is halting, with recovery if you cancel the default.
14:10:33 [Steven]
Steven: I think recovery is something you might want to do.
14:12:59 [Steven]
Erik: In all cases where processing halts, there is an error event first.
14:13:14 [Steven]
Steven: So both parent and child should get an event
14:15:36 [Steven]
Alain: There might be a case where the child offers to share, but the parent doesn't supply anything.
14:16:50 [Steven]
Steven: I'm not convinced
14:17:40 [Steven]
Steven: Moving to the <shared/> element
14:18:13 [Steven]
... do we agree that the @initial is not an AVT?
14:18:26 [Steven]
Erik: It is part of initialising
14:18:39 [Steven]
Alain: I don't see a use case...
14:20:11 [Steven]
Steven: Do we include attributes in the ahring?
14:20:14 [Steven]
Alain: Yes
14:20:17 [Steven]
Erik: Yes
14:20:55 [Steven]
Alain: Namespaces?
14:22:06 [Steven]
Erik: We have specified how we handle namespaces. There are a couple of ways to do it. You could import all inscope namespaces, or only the ones used.
14:22:38 [Steven]
Alain: In the embedded form, the namespaces should be declared
14:22:51 [Steven]
Erik: The document could be entirely new...
14:23:01 [Steven]
... with thousands of new namespaces
14:23:58 [Steven]
Erik: Alain: There could be conflicts
14:24:05 [Steven]
s/Erik://
14:25:30 [Steven]
Erik: It should be fine
14:25:56 [Steven]
Steven: Do we think this needs more thought?
14:26:07 [Steven]
Erik: I need to see an example that might be a problem
14:27:08 [Steven]
Steven: Why is this different from submission replace= for a sub part of an instance?
14:27:17 [Steven]
Erik: Seems similar
14:27:43 [Steven]
Alain: The author has to watch out for namespace issues
14:29:00 [Steven]
Steven: On to <signal/>
14:29:17 [Steven]
... should we make it exactly like <dispatch/>
14:29:29 [Steven]
Alain: Make it exactly like dispatch.
14:29:43 [Steven]
Erik: COnsistency is good
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s/CO/Co/
14:31:23 [Steven]
Steven: When signalling the parent, is it required that there be a <shared/> element?
14:31:43 [Steven]
... and if so what should the error be?
14:32:18 [Steven]
Erik: Can we embed a form without a <shared/> element?
14:32:25 [Steven]
Steven: Yes.
14:32:42 [Steven]
Erik: I think we should require a shared element.
14:33:52 [Steven]
Steven: On the other hand, if it's embedded, even without a shared element, why not?
14:34:20 [Steven]
Erik: Not a really important issue.
14:34:28 [Steven]
Steven: I suggest we allow it.
14:34:30 [Steven]
Alain: OK
14:35:13 [Steven]
Steven: I'll produce a new version
14:35:27 [Steven]
Topic: XPath 4.0 functions for node construction
14:35:27 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Jul/att-0000/00-part
14:35:35 [Steven]
Steven: Anythin we need to do?
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s/thin/thing/
14:36:09 [Steven]
Erik: Depends on whether the issue is still open.
14:36:17 [Steven]
Alain: We could use the same names...
14:36:46 [Steven]
Erik: Having functions to do this is good. I like it
14:36:56 [Steven]
... but we have them anyway
14:37:20 [Steven]
... element() ad attribute()
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... we could look to see if we need more
14:37:45 [Steven]
s/ ad / and /
14:38:01 [Steven]
Alain: We should avoid name conflicts
14:38:19 [Steven]
Erik: I see some new comments on the issue
14:38:36 [Steven]
... consistency is not quite there.
14:38:43 [Steven]
... We can chime in with opinions
14:39:17 [Steven]
Steven: No actions then, just keep our eyes open
14:39:30 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven produce new <control/> spec
14:39:39 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2343 - Produce new <control/> spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-09-15].
14:40:29 [Steven]
Close action-2330
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Closed action-2330.
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close action-2314
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Closed action-2314.
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Topic: AOB
14:41:22 [Steven]
Steven: I'm teaching XForms at the XML Summer School next week.
14:41:33 [Steven]
Steven: No call for two weeks.
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