IRC log of wot-td on 2023-09-06
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- meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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- regrets+ Ege
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- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- scribenick: kaz
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- chair: Koster
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- topic: Agenda
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- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_6.2C_2023 agenda for today
- 14:12:37 [kaz]
- kaz: given we just have 3 participants a team contact, I'm not sure if it would make sense to have an official call
- 14:12:47 [kaz]
- ... However, we can still share ideas for TPAC preparation
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- topic: Binding Templates publication
- 14:14:11 [kaz]
- kaz: working the publication after the summer vacation and procedures on Proposed RECs and Charter
- 14:14:28 [kaz]
- ... need some editorial updates on Process 2023, etc.
- 14:15:11 [sebastian]
- q+
- 14:15:16 [kaz]
- ... would like to publish the Notes (Binding and Scripting) this week or next using the auto publishing tool, Echidna
- 14:15:47 [kaz]
- sk: after the publication, we should publish the Binding Template sub document for MQTT, etc., as well
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- q+
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- ack s
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- kaz: for that purpose, we need to clarify the document structure, e.g., TD and Binding sub document, or potential registry
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- sk: that's partly true, but we already have an HTML document
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- ack k
- 14:18:03 [kaz]
- kaz: we should be careful about the document structure as a whole
- 14:18:40 [kaz]
- mjk: what we've been working on informally is having TD 2.0 spec and Binding registry
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- ... also using protocol binding less defined
- 14:19:13 [kaz]
- ... we had Modbus and so on, though
- 14:19:35 [kaz]
- ... we could probably look at what the document requirement would be
- 14:20:10 [kaz]
- ... my question is about the structure requirement
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- present+ Luca_Barbato
- 14:20:29 [kaz]
- ... do we have enough requirements already?
- 14:21:14 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:21:16 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:21:29 [sebastian]
- q+
- 14:22:08 [kaz]
- kaz: btw, Luca has just joined, and now we could make the call an official one
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- mjk: ok
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- topic: Minutes
- 14:23:11 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-23
- 14:23:34 [kaz]
- mjk: Aug 23 call was the latest one
- 14:24:36 [kaz]
- ... (goes through the minutes)
- 14:28:57 [kaz]
- kaz: regarding PR 1868 and 1842, Ege should have mentioned them on the mailing list as well
- 14:29:09 [kaz]
- ... I can respond to his original email mentioning this
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- present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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- mjk: regarding the minutes themselves, I don't see any problems
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- minutes approved
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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- topic: Next meetings after TPAC
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- mjk: do we want to have a meeting immediately after TPAC?
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- ... on September 20
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- (no objections)
- 14:31:45 [kaz]
- mjk: let's have the next TD meeting on September 20
- 14:32:33 [kaz]
- sk: maybe we might want to think about changing the date/time for the next Charter period
- 14:33:09 [kaz]
- mjk: ok
- 14:33:29 [kaz]
- ... what about availabilities and public holidays?
- 14:33:37 [kaz]
- ... don't think any for September
- 14:33:56 [kaz]
- topic: Thing Description 1.1
- 14:34:14 [kaz]
- subtopic: PRs
- 14:34:26 [cris__]
- q+
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls PRs
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- ack kaz
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- ack seb
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- subtopic: PR 1867
- 14:35:49 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1867 PR 1867 - Documenting TD resources next to the spec
- 14:36:01 [kaz]
- ca: reviewed the proposed description
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- q+
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- ack c
- 14:36:48 [luca_barbato]
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- 14:37:38 [kaz]
- mjk: there is a list of documents within the README.md. right?
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- ca: right
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- kaz: OK with adding this kind of description on the resources related to the WoT Thing Description spec
- 14:39:21 [kaz]
- ... However, the description of the PR itself should be also more descriptive :)
- 14:39:51 [kaz]
- ... we can merge this PR and think about how to improve the README.md later
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- (merged)
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- subtopic: PR 1861
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1861 PR 1861 - Desired namespaces for 1.0 and 1.1 resources
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- q+
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- ca: clarifying the current status and the desired status of the URL redirections
- 14:42:05 [cris__]
- q+
- 14:42:21 [kaz]
- kaz: OK with merging this as an initial proposal, but would suggest we add "DRAFT" to the title of the file
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- ack c
- 14:43:33 [EGE]
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- 14:43:43 [kaz]
- ... Given Ege is not here, we should wait for this PR, though
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- present+ Ege_Korkan_listen-only
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- q?
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- ack k
- 14:44:49 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:45:05 [kaz]
- sk: good to summarize this kind of information
- 14:47:02 [EGE]
- We can add DRAFT without an issue
- 14:48:44 [kaz]
- kaz: given Ege is OK to add "[DRAFT]", let's add that to the title, and then merge this PR
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- mjk: ok
- 14:49:12 [kaz]
- ... (adds "[Draft]" to the title)
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- ... any objections to merge this PR?
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- (no objections)
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- merged
- 14:51:15 [kaz]
- q+
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- topic: Quick preview of TPAC discussion
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- ack k
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- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC WoT agenda wiki
- 14:53:33 [kaz]
- mjk: need to clarify our prioritization
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- sk: we won't have very long time during TPAC for TD/Binding
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- q?
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- q+
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- kaz: if the three topics listed at "Thing Description Final Topics", that's fine
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- ... summarizing planned activities
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- ... binding registry
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- ... and potentially, manageable actions
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- mjk: yeah, those topics would be good
- 14:56:04 [EGE]
- I find the registry topic important since we can get feedback from a wider w3c presence
- 14:56:23 [EGE]
- (just what koster said now :) )
- 14:56:44 [kaz]
- mjk: would be good to talk about binding registry during TPAC to get wider input
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- q+
- 14:57:39 [kaz]
- ... the procedure on who does what would be also important
- 14:58:04 [kaz]
- ... regarding "manageable actions", Matthias did much about that
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- ... maybe I can use 5 minutes
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- kaz: I'd assume Sebastian will moderate the slot
- 14:59:30 [kaz]
- ... and we should clarify who will talk about which item within how long time
- 14:59:38 [EGE]
- I can talk about the registry mechanism and kickstart the discussion
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- mjk: Sebastian can talk about the summary
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- ... 20mins for summary
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- ... 20mins for registry
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- ... 5mins for manageable actions
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- q+
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- ... then Q&A
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- ack k
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- ca: so we'll have a slot for manageable actions too
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- mjk: yes. just 5mins, though
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- q+
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- ack cr
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- ack k
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- kaz: (added time assignment and speakers to the agenda wiki)
- 15:07:23 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda#Thing_Description_Final_Topics updated TD topics
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- topic: AOB
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- mjk: those are the items for today
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- ... any other business?
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- (nothing)
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- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 15:08:07 [luca_barbato]
- q+
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- s/[adjourned]//
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- lb: might be good to start to think about something
- 15:08:55 [kaz]
- ... what you can expect for the WoT Thing Description
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- s/tion/tion?/
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- ... e.g., about the base URL
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- ... would like to open some discussion for WoT Discovery too
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- q+
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- ack lu
- 15:10:21 [kaz]
- ... would be good to expand the capability of TD too
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- q?
- 15:10:37 [kaz]
- mjk: sounds like we need essential clarification
- 15:11:44 [kaz]
- lb: sometimes TD would not really be self-contained
- 15:12:49 [kaz]
- kaz: we could talk about that during the commercial use case session next Friday with some use case description
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- lb: you can not reject valid TD even with a broken consumption
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- ack k
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- q+
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- mjk: maybe we should clarify best practices
- 15:16:02 [kaz]
- kaz: we don't have any dedicated slot for best practices or implementation guidelines during TPAC
- 15:16:31 [kaz]
- ... so my suggestion is talking about the problem during the use case discussion
- 15:18:08 [kaz]
- ... "use case discussion" doesn't only mean the "WoT Use Cases and Requirements Note" but also means possible setting for WoT-based IoT implementations including various Internet standards
- 15:18:18 [EGE]
- See you there!
- 15:19:53 [kaz]
- ... So having this discussion during the use case session would be useful not only for the use case discussion itself but also for the implementation guideline discussion.
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- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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