IRC log of wot-td on 2023-09-06

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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regrets+ Ege
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribenick: kaz
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chair: Koster
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topic: Agenda
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_6.2C_2023 agenda for today
14:12:37 [kaz]
kaz: given we just have 3 participants a team contact, I'm not sure if it would make sense to have an official call
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... However, we can still share ideas for TPAC preparation
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topic: Binding Templates publication
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kaz: working the publication after the summer vacation and procedures on Proposed RECs and Charter
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... need some editorial updates on Process 2023, etc.
14:15:11 [sebastian]
q+
14:15:16 [kaz]
... would like to publish the Notes (Binding and Scripting) this week or next using the auto publishing tool, Echidna
14:15:47 [kaz]
sk: after the publication, we should publish the Binding Template sub document for MQTT, etc., as well
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q+
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ack s
14:16:49 [kaz]
kaz: for that purpose, we need to clarify the document structure, e.g., TD and Binding sub document, or potential registry
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sk: that's partly true, but we already have an HTML document
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ack k
14:18:03 [kaz]
kaz: we should be careful about the document structure as a whole
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mjk: what we've been working on informally is having TD 2.0 spec and Binding registry
14:18:51 [kaz]
... also using protocol binding less defined
14:19:13 [kaz]
... we had Modbus and so on, though
14:19:35 [kaz]
... we could probably look at what the document requirement would be
14:20:10 [kaz]
... my question is about the structure requirement
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present+ Luca_Barbato
14:20:29 [kaz]
... do we have enough requirements already?
14:21:14 [kaz]
q?
14:21:16 [kaz]
q+
14:21:29 [sebastian]
q+
14:22:08 [kaz]
kaz: btw, Luca has just joined, and now we could make the call an official one
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mjk: ok
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topic: Minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-23
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mjk: Aug 23 call was the latest one
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... (goes through the minutes)
14:28:57 [kaz]
kaz: regarding PR 1868 and 1842, Ege should have mentioned them on the mailing list as well
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... I can respond to his original email mentioning this
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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mjk: regarding the minutes themselves, I don't see any problems
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minutes approved
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topic: Next meetings after TPAC
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mjk: do we want to have a meeting immediately after TPAC?
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... on September 20
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(no objections)
14:31:45 [kaz]
mjk: let's have the next TD meeting on September 20
14:32:33 [kaz]
sk: maybe we might want to think about changing the date/time for the next Charter period
14:33:09 [kaz]
mjk: ok
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... what about availabilities and public holidays?
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... don't think any for September
14:33:56 [kaz]
topic: Thing Description 1.1
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subtopic: PRs
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q+
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls PRs
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ack kaz
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ack seb
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subtopic: PR 1867
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1867 PR 1867 - Documenting TD resources next to the spec
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ca: reviewed the proposed description
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q+
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14:37:38 [kaz]
mjk: there is a list of documents within the README.md. right?
14:37:41 [kaz]
ca: right
14:39:03 [kaz]
kaz: OK with adding this kind of description on the resources related to the WoT Thing Description spec
14:39:21 [kaz]
... However, the description of the PR itself should be also more descriptive :)
14:39:51 [kaz]
... we can merge this PR and think about how to improve the README.md later
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(merged)
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subtopic: PR 1861
14:40:46 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1861 PR 1861 - Desired namespaces for 1.0 and 1.1 resources
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q+
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ca: clarifying the current status and the desired status of the URL redirections
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q+
14:42:21 [kaz]
kaz: OK with merging this as an initial proposal, but would suggest we add "DRAFT" to the title of the file
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ack c
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14:43:43 [kaz]
... Given Ege is not here, we should wait for this PR, though
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present+ Ege_Korkan_listen-only
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q?
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ack k
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q+
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sk: good to summarize this kind of information
14:47:02 [EGE]
We can add DRAFT without an issue
14:48:44 [kaz]
kaz: given Ege is OK to add "[DRAFT]", let's add that to the title, and then merge this PR
14:48:50 [kaz]
mjk: ok
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... (adds "[Draft]" to the title)
14:50:02 [kaz]
... any objections to merge this PR?
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(no objections)
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merged
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q+
14:51:52 [kaz]
topic: Quick preview of TPAC discussion
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ack k
14:52:36 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC WoT agenda wiki
14:53:33 [kaz]
mjk: need to clarify our prioritization
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sk: we won't have very long time during TPAC for TD/Binding
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q?
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q+
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kaz: if the three topics listed at "Thing Description Final Topics", that's fine
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... summarizing planned activities
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... binding registry
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... and potentially, manageable actions
14:55:50 [kaz]
mjk: yeah, those topics would be good
14:56:04 [EGE]
I find the registry topic important since we can get feedback from a wider w3c presence
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(just what koster said now :) )
14:56:44 [kaz]
mjk: would be good to talk about binding registry during TPAC to get wider input
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q+
14:57:39 [kaz]
... the procedure on who does what would be also important
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... regarding "manageable actions", Matthias did much about that
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... maybe I can use 5 minutes
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kaz: I'd assume Sebastian will moderate the slot
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... and we should clarify who will talk about which item within how long time
14:59:38 [EGE]
I can talk about the registry mechanism and kickstart the discussion
15:01:38 [kaz]
mjk: Sebastian can talk about the summary
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... 20mins for summary
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... 20mins for registry
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... 5mins for manageable actions
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q+
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... then Q&A
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ack k
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ca: so we'll have a slot for manageable actions too
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mjk: yes. just 5mins, though
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q+
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ack cr
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ack k
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kaz: (added time assignment and speakers to the agenda wiki)
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda#Thing_Description_Final_Topics updated TD topics
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topic: AOB
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mjk: those are the items for today
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... any other business?
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(nothing)
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[adjourned]
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15:08:07 [luca_barbato]
q+
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s/[adjourned]//
15:08:39 [kaz]
lb: might be good to start to think about something
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... what you can expect for the WoT Thing Description
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s/tion/tion?/
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... e.g., about the base URL
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... would like to open some discussion for WoT Discovery too
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q+
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ack lu
15:10:21 [kaz]
... would be good to expand the capability of TD too
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q?
15:10:37 [kaz]
mjk: sounds like we need essential clarification
15:11:44 [kaz]
lb: sometimes TD would not really be self-contained
15:12:49 [kaz]
kaz: we could talk about that during the commercial use case session next Friday with some use case description
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lb: you can not reject valid TD even with a broken consumption
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ack k
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q+
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mjk: maybe we should clarify best practices
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kaz: we don't have any dedicated slot for best practices or implementation guidelines during TPAC
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... so my suggestion is talking about the problem during the use case discussion
15:18:08 [kaz]
... "use case discussion" doesn't only mean the "WoT Use Cases and Requirements Note" but also means possible setting for WoT-based IoT implementations including various Internet standards
15:18:18 [EGE]
See you there!
15:19:53 [kaz]
... So having this discussion during the use case session would be useful not only for the use case discussion itself but also for the implementation guideline discussion.
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[adjourned]
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