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12:02:16 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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12:02:48 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster
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12:03:09 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#6_September_2023
12:04:09 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:17 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
12:04:22 <kaz> chair: McCool
12:04:38 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:06:35 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:07:10 <sebastian> topic: Guests, New members
12:07:17 <sebastian> MM: no guests
12:07:28 <sebastian> ... we have a pending new member request
12:07:31 <kaz> i/no/scribenick: sebastian/
12:07:33 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:07:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:45 <sebastian> topic: Minutes:
12:07:46 <kaz> s/Minutes:/Minutes/
12:07:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html Aug-9
12:08:27 <sebastian> MM: any objections or change requests?
12:08:37 <sebastian> none
12:08:46 <sebastian> minutes approved
12:09:00 <sebastian> topic: Quick Updates
12:09:07 <kaz> q+
12:09:17 <sebastian> no new updates
12:09:25 <sebastian> topic: Policies
12:10:11 <sebastian> MM: let's skip this topic today. Talk this after TPAC
12:10:22 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm agree
12:10:34 <sebastian> topic: Cancellations
12:10:46 <kaz> s/I'm agree/I agree. Let's skip this for today./
12:11:01 <sebastian> MM: Are there regular meetings planed during TPAC?
12:11:02 <sebastian> no
12:11:14 <dape> q+
12:11:18 <kaz> ack k
12:11:37 <sebastian> MM: How about after TPAC?
12:12:00 <sebastian> DP: We plan to have API meeting just after TPAC
12:12:06 <dape> ack dape
12:12:31 <kaz> s/TPAC/TPAC on Sep 18./
12:12:50 <sebastian> MM: Suggest to have regular meetings again after the week of TPAC
12:12:56 <kaz> q+
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12:12:57 <sebastian> no objections
12:13:18 <sebastian> topic: New WG Charter
12:13:38 <sebastian> Kaz: we received enough supports
12:14:06 <sebastian> ... 24 supporters
12:14:31 <sebastian> ... there is one objections
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12:15:14 <sebastian> ... and there is a bigger question
12:16:03 <sebastian> ... I'm working on this issue with the strategy team
12:16:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416 bigger issue on the Charter template
12:17:05 <sebastian> ... the current charter is running until end of September and I'm also in exchange with Chris
12:18:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:18:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:18:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:19:51 <McCool> proposal: Regarding https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416, we agree to let the W3C strategy team decide whether or not to apply the suggested changes (privacy mitigations, security "all known") to our new (now approved) charter.
12:19:59 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:20:04 <McCool> q?
12:20:07 <kaz> ack k
12:20:08 <McCool> ack k
12:20:36 <McCool> resolution: Regarding https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416, we agree to let the W3C strategy team decide whether or not to apply the suggested changes (privacy mitigations, security "all known") to our new (now approved) charter.
12:21:07 <sebastian>  topic: Publications
12:21:07 <kaz> q+
12:22:14 <sebastian> Kaz: all 3 PRs are done but we still need to wrap up the existing questions from BBC and Adobe
12:22:29 <sebastian> ... I'm working on this topic
12:23:14 <kaz> ack k
12:23:17 <kaz> q+
12:23:49 <sebastian> MM: Let's wait for the next TD meeting. Will the TD meeting take place today?
12:23:59 <sebastian> MK: Yes, prepeared an agenda
12:24:14 <kaz> s/I'm working/I've talked with PLH about the changes, and got approval. So I'll work on the changes. The question is when to publish the final Recommendations./
12:24:49 <kaz> q?
12:25:41 <sebastian> MM: We should resolve all open issues before publication. Recommend to publish until end of September
12:26:23 <kaz> ack k
12:26:24 <kaz> q+
12:27:11 <sebastian> Kaz: we need also to schedule time for the press release and ontology installation
12:30:08 <sebastian> MM: Joint yesterday OPC UA meeting. It seems they finished the first draft. There was a question about validation and JSON Schema.
12:31:14 <sebastian> q+
12:34:00 <sebastian> ack s
12:34:13 <kaz> kaz: note that we need to clarify how to proceed with the liaison with OPC as well
12:34:15 <kaz> ack k
12:34:21 <kaz> i/note/scribenick: kaz/
12:34:25 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:34:59 <sebastian> subtopic: Ressource Repository
12:35:42 <sebastian> MM: publications needs to ensure resources are frozen at point of publications
12:36:38 <sebastian> ... different options possible
12:36:44 <kaz> q+
12:37:17 <cris_> q+
12:37:19 <sebastian> ... Option 1: creat a seperate wot-resource repo that consilidate all resources
12:37:20 <dape> q+
12:37:50 <kaz> ack k
12:37:53 <sebastian> ... Option 2: each TF manages resources in their own repo
12:38:24 <sebastian> Kaz: everything would be easier when we go for Option 1
12:38:39 <McCool> q+
12:39:03 <sebastian> CA: prefer also option 1
12:39:09 <cris_> ack cris_
12:39:10 <sebastian> q+
12:39:27 <mjk> q?
12:39:57 <sebastian> DP: is Option 1 a copy of the TF repo?
12:40:05 <kaz> s/everything would be easier when we go for Option 1/It would be easier to manage the resources if we go for option 1, though we need to clarify the policy and procedure about how to manage the new resource repository./
12:40:23 <kaz> q?
12:40:25 <kaz> ack d
12:40:27 <sebastian> ... we should never use github reference, we should only use w3.org resources
12:40:30 <kaz> q+
12:40:56 <sebastian> MM: yes, we should use redirection bedind w3.org
12:41:06 <sebastian> s/bedind/behind
12:41:45 <cris_> q+
12:41:59 <McCool> ack m
12:42:43 <kaz> ack s
12:42:45 <McCool> mm: suggest we do option 1, starting with TD, then Discovery can follow format, then we DO set up wot-resources to make sure the resources are frozen
12:43:11 <mjk> q+
12:43:16 <McCool> s/option 1/option 2/
12:43:31 <McCool> s/wot-resources/wot-resources (option 1)/
12:43:44 <McCool> ack k
12:44:06 <sebastian> sk: is wot-resource a copy of the TD/Discovery/Architecture repo? Or do we have only a single repo in the future?
12:44:28 <McCool> q+
12:45:26 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm okay either way, but it is easier to manage the resources if we use one specific repo
12:46:37 <luca_barbato> q+
12:46:40 <sebastian> MM: answear SK question. Its just a copy and it will not include everything what is in the source repo.
12:48:17 <cris_> ack c
12:49:02 <kaz> s|I'm okay either way, but it is easier to manage the resources if we use one specific repo|I'm OK with using option 2 as a tentative solution, but it would be much easier to manage all the related resources if we use one specific repository for WoT-related resources, and use its subdirectory of that repo for WoT specs and versions than asking the Webmaster to allocate redirection from www.w3.org/YYYY/spec-variation/resource-variation for every year, every
12:49:02 <kaz> spec and every resource. I personally think it would be nice to simply use www.w3.org/ns/wot to be redirected to github.com/wot-resources.|
12:49:22 <sebastian> MK: I need to understand the origin problem. Is this urgent?
12:49:28 <kaz> q+
12:49:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:49:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:53 <cris_> cris: I don't like to have copies of the same rec file in two repository. It would better to move resources than copy them
12:50:57 <kaz> s|every year, every|every year, every spec and every resource. In addition, I personally think it would be nice to simply use www.w3.org/ns/wot to be redirected to github.com/wot-resources for that purpose.|
12:50:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:51:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:51:10 <kaz> q?
12:51:13 <kaz> ack mjk
12:51:18 <kaz> ack mc
12:51:35 <McCool> ack l
12:51:36 <McCool> ack k
12:52:08 <sebastian> subtopic: Notes
12:52:17 <sebastian> MM: any news
12:52:36 <sebastian> Kaz: Sorry, I'm working on this
12:53:19 <ktoumura> +q
12:53:21 <luca_barbato> q+
12:53:26 <sebastian> s/Notes/Notes Publications
12:53:36 <sebastian> topic: Press Release
12:53:51 <kaz> s/Sorry but still working on this. Due to the recent change of the Process and Patent Policy, we need some edits, but already working on the changes./
12:54:22 <sebastian> MM: we have a draft press release available
12:54:32 <sebastian> ... collecting testimonials
12:55:06 <sebastian> ... due to vacation time this takes a while
12:55:32 <kaz> q+
12:55:49 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/press-releases/2020/wot-rec/
12:55:50 <sebastian> ... realistic to have this done until end of September
12:55:59 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:56:19 <kaz> s|rec/|rec/ WoT 1.0 Press Release|
12:56:28 <kaz> ack ktoumura
12:56:58 <luca_barbato> ack lu
12:57:01 <McCool> mailto:w3t-pr@w3.org
12:57:06 <sebastian> LB: I can ask the chief coordinator, is there a template available?
12:57:34 <sebastian> <MM shows the old press release>
12:58:03 <McCool> suggest Sept 25 as the deadline to finalize Testimonials
12:58:08 <sebastian> KT: Hitachi wants also to provide a testimonial. Where should I porvide this?
12:58:23 <McCool> actual publication can be Sept 28 (Thursday that same week).
12:58:35 <kaz> q?
12:58:45 <McCool> please also email team-wot with Testimonial
12:58:47 <sebastian> MM: you can send it to team-wot
12:59:34 <sebastian> MM: lets make September 20 as final deadline to provide testimonial
12:59:48 <sebastian> s/20/25
13:00:04 <kaz> ack k
13:00:15 <cris_> q+
13:00:55 <kaz> i/you can/kaz: w3t-pr is the final destination all the resources to be sent. We can once consolidate the resources on team-wot and then forward the results to w3t-pr./
13:01:03 <sebastian> topic: TPAC
13:01:03 <kaz> i/final/scribenick: kaz/
13:01:09 <cris_> ack c
13:01:22 <sebastian> CA: We should plan the joint meeting with WoT CG
13:01:24 <kaz> i/can send/scribenick: sebastian/
13:02:31 <cris_> +1
13:03:00 <sebastian> <MM shows the joint sessions overview>
13:03:31 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC Schedule
13:04:37 <sebastian> <MM edits the wiki page and who is attending the meetings>
13:05:08 <kaz> q+
13:05:19 <cris_> q+
13:05:58 <sebastian> <MM shows the joint meetings during the WoT WG sessions>
13:07:42 <sebastian> MM: we need to link the topics of the different agenda points
13:08:19 <sebastian> ... I created a folder to collect materials like presentations
13:09:00 <sebastian> MM: it is uncertain what we do with the Profile and Architecture topic
13:09:38 <kaz> ack k
13:09:41 <kaz> q+
13:10:07 <luca_barbato> q+
13:10:19 <sebastian> ... we should have a open discussion who can take over the lead about this point
13:10:42 <sebastian> MM: Michael Koster can you moderate this topic?
13:10:59 <sebastian> MK: Friday should work, yes
13:11:24 <sebastian> LB: I can take over the Profile part
13:11:56 <sebastian> <MM split Profile and Architecture in the agenda in different slots>
13:12:54 <kaz> q?
13:13:50 <sebastian> Kaz:
13:13:59 <sebastian> s/Kaz:/
13:14:06 <mjk> q?
13:14:07 <kaz> ack ka
13:14:46 <sebastian> Kaz: we should concentrate on policy and basic summary
13:15:08 <cris_> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b9a57d94-1dd0-44dd-aa7e-90b510b4f98a/
13:15:14 <kaz> s/we should/given we don't have much time for each topic during TPAC, we should/
13:15:43 <kaz> s/summary/summary during TPAC, and discuss the details after TPAC./
13:16:19 <kaz> i/https/mm: yeah/
13:16:42 <sebastian> CA: there will be planned joint WoT CG / WG meeting on Friday 12:15 - 13:00 during the WoT CG meeting
13:17:02 <sebastian> ... still waiting for confirmation from the WG
13:17:33 <kaz> s/given/This is a general comment for the WoT discussion at TPAC. Given/
13:18:44 <sebastian> MM: we need careful if there is no technical requirement discussions in the agenda
13:19:09 <sebastian> SK: ok from my side, I will join the CG meeting
13:19:40 <sebastian> CA: thanks, then this is then confirmed then
13:19:47 <kaz> q?
13:19:48 <kaz> ack c
13:20:00 <kaz> q+
13:20:58 <kaz> ack k
13:21:37 <sebastian> Kaz: Commercial Use Case will be a brainstorming session
13:22:03 <sebastian> MM: Eventually TAG will also joint, but it is uncertain
13:22:08 <sebastian> s/joint/join
13:22:25 <kaz> s/Commercial Use Case will be a brainstorming session/I'll moderate the commercial use cases session, but I'd expect that will be a brainstorming discussion on people's expectations./
13:22:39 <kaz> q?
13:23:02 <kaz> ack lu
13:23:33 <sebastian> topic: Liaisons
13:23:34 <kaz> q+
13:24:49 <sebastian> MM: any news?
13:25:44 <sebastian> SK: OPCF works on the topic to use Thing Descriptions to onboard field devices into OPC UA systems
13:27:06 <kaz> mm: @1
13:27:09 <kaz> kaz: @2
13:27:12 <dape> q+
13:27:15 <kaz> ack k
13:27:17 <sebastian> Kaz: we should clearify the procedure between the OPCF
13:27:33 <kaz> s/mm: @1//
13:27:39 <kaz> s/kaz: @2/
13:27:43 <kaz> mm: @1
13:27:49 <kaz> kaz: @2
13:27:58 <kaz> i/mm:/scribenick: kaz/
13:28:02 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:28:33 <sebastian> topic: TF news
13:28:46 <sebastian> MM: there was a Scripting meeting?
13:28:51 <kaz> s/@1/Technically, Kaz is the official liaison contact from the W3C Team, so should organize liaison calls./
13:29:03 <kaz> s/@2/If it's OK by you, can work on that too./
13:29:36 <cris_> q+
13:29:49 <dape> ack dape
13:29:51 <McCool> ack d
13:30:03 <sebastian> DP: yes, we need also discuss about a topic. Suggest to do this after TPAC
13:30:03 <cris_> https://iiwot24.nws.cs.unibo.it/
13:30:42 <kaz> q+
13:30:43 <sebastian> CA: lets move this topic after TPAC
13:31:03 <kaz> ack c
13:31:51 <sebastian> MK: TD call will take place today to finalise the open issues
13:33:23 <sebastian> CA: there will be a workshop again, invite you to submit papers
13:33:24 <kaz> ack k
13:34:57 <kaz> q+
13:36:38 <kaz> ack k
13:36:43 <sebastian> Kaz: would be nice to have summary of the breakout sessions (TPAC agenda)
13:36:49 <sebastian> adjourn
13:37:13 <kaz> s/adjourn/mm: (updates the TPAC WoT agenda for that purpose)/
13:37:19 <kaz> i/updates/scribenick: kaz/
13:37:31 <kaz> i/adjou/scribenick: sebastian/
13:37:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:37:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz
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