IRC log of wot on 2023-09-06

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meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#6_September_2023

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Michael_McCool

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chair: McCool

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present+ Daniel_Peintner

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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch

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topic: Guests, New members

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MM: no guests

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... we have a pending new member request

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i/no/scribenick: sebastian/

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:07:45 [sebastian]

topic: Minutes:

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s/Minutes:/Minutes/

12:07:56 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html Aug-9

12:08:27 [sebastian]

MM: any objections or change requests?

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none

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minutes approved

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topic: Quick Updates

12:09:07 [kaz]

q+

12:09:17 [sebastian]

no new updates

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topic: Policies

12:10:11 [sebastian]

MM: let's skip this topic today. Talk this after TPAC

12:10:22 [sebastian]

Kaz: I'm agree

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topic: Cancellations

12:10:46 [kaz]

s/I'm agree/I agree. Let's skip this for today./

12:11:01 [sebastian]

MM: Are there regular meetings planed during TPAC?

12:11:02 [sebastian]

no

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q+

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ack k

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MM: How about after TPAC?

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DP: We plan to have API meeting just after TPAC

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ack dape

12:12:31 [kaz]

s/TPAC/TPAC on Sep 18./

12:12:50 [sebastian]

MM: Suggest to have regular meetings again after the week of TPAC

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q+

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no objections

12:13:18 [sebastian]

topic: New WG Charter

12:13:38 [sebastian]

Kaz: we received enough supports

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... 24 supporters

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... there is one objections

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... and there is a bigger question

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... I'm working on this issue with the strategy team

12:16:09 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416 bigger issue on the Charter template

12:17:05 [sebastian]

... the current charter is running until end of September and I'm also in exchange with Chris

12:18:13 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:19:51 [McCool]

proposal: Regarding https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416, we agree to let the W3C strategy team decide whether or not to apply the suggested changes (privacy mitigations, security "all known") to our new (now approved) charter.

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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Cristiano_Aguzzi

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q?

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ack k

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ack k

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resolution: Regarding https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/416, we agree to let the W3C strategy team decide whether or not to apply the suggested changes (privacy mitigations, security "all known") to our new (now approved) charter.

12:21:07 [sebastian]

topic: Publications

12:21:07 [kaz]

q+

12:22:14 [sebastian]

Kaz: all 3 PRs are done but we still need to wrap up the existing questions from BBC and Adobe

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... I'm working on this topic

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ack k

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q+

12:23:49 [sebastian]

MM: Let's wait for the next TD meeting. Will the TD meeting take place today?

12:23:59 [sebastian]

MK: Yes, prepeared an agenda

12:24:14 [kaz]

s/I'm working/I've talked with PLH about the changes, and got approval. So I'll work on the changes. The question is when to publish the final Recommendations./

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q?

12:25:41 [sebastian]

MM: We should resolve all open issues before publication. Recommend to publish until end of September

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ack k

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q+

12:27:11 [sebastian]

Kaz: we need also to schedule time for the press release and ontology installation

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MM: Joint yesterday OPC UA meeting. It seems they finished the first draft. There was a question about validation and JSON Schema.

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q+

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ack s

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kaz: note that we need to clarify how to proceed with the liaison with OPC as well

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ack k

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i/note/scribenick: kaz/

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scribenick: sebastian

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subtopic: Ressource Repository

12:35:42 [sebastian]

MM: publications needs to ensure resources are frozen at point of publications

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... different options possible

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q+

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q+

12:37:19 [sebastian]

... Option 1: creat a seperate wot-resource repo that consilidate all resources

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q+

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ack k

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... Option 2: each TF manages resources in their own repo

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Kaz: everything would be easier when we go for Option 1

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q+

12:39:03 [sebastian]

CA: prefer also option 1

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ack cris_

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q+

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q?

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DP: is Option 1 a copy of the TF repo?

12:40:05 [kaz]

s/everything would be easier when we go for Option 1/It would be easier to manage the resources if we go for option 1, though we need to clarify the policy and procedure about how to manage the new resource repository./

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q?

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ack d

12:40:27 [sebastian]

... we should never use github reference, we should only use w3.org resources

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q+

12:40:56 [sebastian]

MM: yes, we should use redirection bedind w3.org

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s/bedind/behind

12:41:45 [cris_]

q+

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ack m

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ack s

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mm: suggest we do option 1, starting with TD, then Discovery can follow format, then we DO set up wot-resources to make sure the resources are frozen

12:43:11 [mjk]

q+

12:43:16 [McCool]

s/option 1/option 2/

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s/wot-resources/wot-resources (option 1)/

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ack k

12:44:06 [sebastian]

sk: is wot-resource a copy of the TD/Discovery/Architecture repo? Or do we have only a single repo in the future?

12:44:28 [McCool]

q+

12:45:26 [sebastian]

Kaz: I'm okay either way, but it is easier to manage the resources if we use one specific repo

12:46:37 [luca_barbato]

q+

12:46:40 [sebastian]

MM: answear SK question. Its just a copy and it will not include everything what is in the source repo.

12:48:17 [cris_]

ack c

12:49:02 [kaz]

s|I'm okay either way, but it is easier to manage the resources if we use one specific repo|I'm OK with using option 2 as a tentative solution, but it would be much easier to manage all the related resources if we use one specific repository for WoT-related resources, and use its subdirectory of that repo for WoT specs and versions than asking the Webmaster to allocate redirection from www.w3.org/YYYY/spec-variation/resource-variation for every year, every

12:49:02 [kaz]

spec and every resource. I personally think it would be nice to simply use www.w3.org/ns/wot to be redirected to github.com/wot-resources.|

12:49:22 [sebastian]

MK: I need to understand the origin problem. Is this urgent?

12:49:28 [kaz]

q+

12:49:45 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:49:53 [cris_]

cris: I don't like to have copies of the same rec file in two repository. It would better to move resources than copy them

12:50:57 [kaz]

s|every year, every|every year, every spec and every resource. In addition, I personally think it would be nice to simply use www.w3.org/ns/wot to be redirected to github.com/wot-resources for that purpose.|

12:50:59 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz

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q?

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ack mjk

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ack mc

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ack l

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ack k

12:52:08 [sebastian]

subtopic: Notes

12:52:17 [sebastian]

MM: any news

12:52:36 [sebastian]

Kaz: Sorry, I'm working on this

12:53:19 [ktoumura]

+q

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q+

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s/Notes/Notes Publications

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topic: Press Release

12:53:51 [kaz]

s/Sorry but still working on this. Due to the recent change of the Process and Patent Policy, we need some edits, but already working on the changes./

12:54:22 [sebastian]

MM: we have a draft press release available

12:54:32 [sebastian]

... collecting testimonials

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... due to vacation time this takes a while

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q+

12:55:49 [McCool]

https://www.w3.org/press-releases/2020/wot-rec/

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... realistic to have this done until end of September

12:55:59 [kaz]

s/https/-> https/

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s|rec/|rec/ WoT 1.0 Press Release|

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ack ktoumura

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ack lu

12:57:01 [McCool]

mailto:w3t-pr@w3.org

12:57:06 [sebastian]

LB: I can ask the chief coordinator, is there a template available?

12:57:34 [sebastian]

<MM shows the old press release>

12:58:03 [McCool]

suggest Sept 25 as the deadline to finalize Testimonials

12:58:08 [sebastian]

KT: Hitachi wants also to provide a testimonial. Where should I porvide this?

12:58:23 [McCool]

actual publication can be Sept 28 (Thursday that same week).

12:58:35 [kaz]

q?

12:58:45 [McCool]

please also email team-wot with Testimonial

12:58:47 [sebastian]

MM: you can send it to team-wot

12:59:34 [sebastian]

MM: lets make September 20 as final deadline to provide testimonial

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s/20/25

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ack k

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q+

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i/you can/kaz: w3t-pr is the final destination all the resources to be sent. We can once consolidate the resources on team-wot and then forward the results to w3t-pr./

13:01:03 [sebastian]

topic: TPAC

13:01:03 [kaz]

i/final/scribenick: kaz/

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ack c

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CA: We should plan the joint meeting with WoT CG

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i/can send/scribenick: sebastian/

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+1

13:03:00 [sebastian]

<MM shows the joint sessions overview>

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC Schedule

13:04:37 [sebastian]

<MM edits the wiki page and who is attending the meetings>

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q+

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q+

13:05:58 [sebastian]

<MM shows the joint meetings during the WoT WG sessions>

13:07:42 [sebastian]

MM: we need to link the topics of the different agenda points

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... I created a folder to collect materials like presentations

13:09:00 [sebastian]

MM: it is uncertain what we do with the Profile and Architecture topic

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ack k

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q+

13:10:07 [luca_barbato]

q+

13:10:19 [sebastian]

... we should have a open discussion who can take over the lead about this point

13:10:42 [sebastian]

MM: Michael Koster can you moderate this topic?

13:10:59 [sebastian]

MK: Friday should work, yes

13:11:24 [sebastian]

LB: I can take over the Profile part

13:11:56 [sebastian]

<MM split Profile and Architecture in the agenda in different slots>

13:12:54 [kaz]

q?

13:13:50 [sebastian]

Kaz:

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s/Kaz:/

13:14:06 [mjk]

q?

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ack ka

13:14:46 [sebastian]

Kaz: we should concentrate on policy and basic summary

13:15:08 [cris_]

https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b9a57d94-1dd0-44dd-aa7e-90b510b4f98a/

13:15:14 [kaz]

s/we should/given we don't have much time for each topic during TPAC, we should/

13:15:43 [kaz]

s/summary/summary during TPAC, and discuss the details after TPAC./

13:16:19 [kaz]

i/https/mm: yeah/

13:16:42 [sebastian]

CA: there will be planned joint WoT CG / WG meeting on Friday 12:15 - 13:00 during the WoT CG meeting

13:17:02 [sebastian]

... still waiting for confirmation from the WG

13:17:33 [kaz]

s/given/This is a general comment for the WoT discussion at TPAC. Given/

13:18:44 [sebastian]

MM: we need careful if there is no technical requirement discussions in the agenda

13:19:09 [sebastian]

SK: ok from my side, I will join the CG meeting

13:19:40 [sebastian]

CA: thanks, then this is then confirmed then

13:19:47 [kaz]

q?

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ack c

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q+

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ack k

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Kaz: Commercial Use Case will be a brainstorming session

13:22:03 [sebastian]

MM: Eventually TAG will also joint, but it is uncertain

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s/joint/join

13:22:25 [kaz]

s/Commercial Use Case will be a brainstorming session/I'll moderate the commercial use cases session, but I'd expect that will be a brainstorming discussion on people's expectations./

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q?

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ack lu

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topic: Liaisons

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q+

13:24:49 [sebastian]

MM: any news?

13:25:44 [sebastian]

SK: OPCF works on the topic to use Thing Descriptions to onboard field devices into OPC UA systems

13:27:06 [kaz]

mm: @1

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kaz: @2

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q+

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ack k

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Kaz: we should clearify the procedure between the OPCF

13:27:33 [kaz]

s/mm: @1//

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s/kaz: @2/

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mm: @1

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kaz: @2

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i/mm:/scribenick: kaz/

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scribenick: sebastian

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topic: TF news

13:28:46 [sebastian]

MM: there was a Scripting meeting?

13:28:51 [kaz]

s/@1/Technically, Kaz is the official liaison contact from the W3C Team, so should organize liaison calls./

13:29:03 [kaz]

s/@2/If it's OK by you, can work on that too./

13:29:36 [cris_]

q+

13:29:49 [dape]

ack dape

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ack d

13:30:03 [sebastian]

DP: yes, we need also discuss about a topic. Suggest to do this after TPAC

13:30:03 [cris_]

https://iiwot24.nws.cs.unibo.it/

13:30:42 [kaz]

q+

13:30:43 [sebastian]

CA: lets move this topic after TPAC

13:31:03 [kaz]

ack c

13:31:51 [sebastian]

MK: TD call will take place today to finalise the open issues

13:33:23 [sebastian]

CA: there will be a workshop again, invite you to submit papers

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ack k

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q+

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ack k

13:36:43 [sebastian]

Kaz: would be nice to have summary of the breakout sessions (TPAC agenda)

13:36:49 [sebastian]

adjourn

13:37:13 [kaz]

s/adjourn/mm: (updates the TPAC WoT agenda for that purpose)/

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i/updates/scribenick: kaz/

13:37:31 [kaz]

i/adjou/scribenick: sebastian/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/06-wot-minutes.html kaz

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