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12:34:21 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:34:25 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:34:28 <jasonjgw> present+
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12:34:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Well-known URI proposal for accessibility.
12:34:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Contrast research request from Accessibility Guidelines Working Group.
12:34:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
12:34:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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12:58:28 <scott_h> present+
13:00:46 <janina> present+
13:02:07 <scott_h> scribe+
13:02:12 <janina> scribe+
13:02:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Well-known URI proposal for accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:58 <scott_h> meeting proposed on web security
13:03:07 <scott_h> meeting scheduled
13:03:13 <scott_h> TPAC - well populated
13:03:39 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023
13:04:48 <scott_h> discussion at TPAC< suggesiton RQTF should investigate
13:05:14 <scott_h> info forwrded to APA
13:06:47 <scott_h> IETF mechanism a better fit
13:07:00 <scott_h> EO involved, just acccessibility for now
13:07:15 <scott_h> Why talk with web security: what two kinds of content under accessibility
13:07:22 <scott_h> - human readable
13:07:27 <scott_h> - well-fromated metadata
13:07:56 <scott_h> next steps - bring back to this taskforce as informaiton/advisory TPAC review
13:08:17 <scott_h> one other thing EO asked for: canvas/where do we have metadata right now?
13:10:22 <scott_h> APA taking week after TPAC off, does RQTF?
13:10:37 <scott_h> makes sense for RQTF too
13:10:38 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Contrast research request from Accessibility Guidelines Working Group. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:11:29 <janina> jasonjgw: To investigate different approaches for evaluating color contrast for WCAG 3
13:11:45 <janina> jgwWanting research to be conducted
13:12:08 <janina> ... Accessibility Australia are working out the details
13:13:06 <janina> scott_h: Just chatted with Rachael and discussed how to go at it
13:13:22 <janina> ... Have the university link to create formal research
13:14:03 <janina> ... Offered for staff to test method and analysis, etc
13:14:28 <janina> ... There's still some lack of clarity in AG about what's needed, but we're getting there
13:14:47 <janina> ... We'll look for any available research, and make a plan for what's needed
13:14:55 <janina> ... It's preliminary, but we're underway
13:15:34 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes it's a well defined problem -- somethng we like!
13:15:53 <janina> ... Perhaps a report in October?
13:15:59 <janina> scott_h: Sure
13:16:16 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:16:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:17:23 <scott_h> jason has worked through all COGA comments nad noted first impressions
13:17:35 <scott_h> further comments welcome
13:17:54 <scott_h> Janina did significant edits
13:17:59 <janina> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ctaur/js2308a/index.html
13:18:45 <scott_h> Scott's list helpful, but needed significant editing to amke it work
13:19:07 <scott_h> broading assistive technologies rather than screen reader
13:19:28 <scott_h> avodiing naming partiuclar products  - better to identify types of problems
13:20:16 <scott_h> quesiton: when to reference 2.2 instead of 2.1?
13:20:55 <scott_h> answer: assuming recommendaiton, should move to 2.2
13:21:18 <scott_h> another suggestion: add pointers to ATAG
13:21:50 <scott_h> sevarl more rounds of review required
13:24:40 <scott_h> guidance neds to go beyond WCAG - include ATAG, ARIA< etc
13:25:39 <scott_h> also oint of interest - pointss are paid as each point has 'needs to be on' and 'needs to turn off'
13:27:11 <scott_h> restructure: put under complexity?
13:27:54 <scott_h> perhaps a table for similaar contnet, but also want to make the point
13:28:39 <scott_h> more complexity to come, intentions to provide large language model based assistance in code authroing and text authoring: another level of UI
13:29:41 <janina> scott_h: Notes Ms embedding Code Pilot in Win 11
13:30:31 <janina> jasonjgw: Believe both Ms and Google are testing integrating AI into office suites
13:30:43 <janina> present+ raja
13:31:02 <scott_h> generating AI with multi modal
13:31:03 <janina> raja: Especially with respect to multi-modal
13:31:17 <scott_h> need to understand what is generated: music, pictures, etc.
13:31:25 <janina> raja Can create music, pictures, but cannot understand or describe
13:31:29 <scott_h> but cannot describe what is made - can make pictures form keywords, but can't describe the pictures
13:31:37 <scott_h> or can create audiot files but can't caption them
13:31:48 <janina> raja; Can't describe the pictures, but can't caption the audio files they create. Have to add a layer
13:32:15 <janina> raja: we want speech captioned, and pictures described; still issues with generative AI
13:32:35 <scott_h> issue at the moment
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13:32:47 <janina> jasonjgw: Key is for authors to check that what AI produces matches what they produced and asked for
13:34:07 <scott_h> prompt engineering
13:36:38 <janina> raja: Understand with text, but I'm trying to generate video -- but I don't know what the audio track is saying
13:36:40 <scott_h> discussion - making a video or picture, but not sure what it's saying
13:37:31 <scott_h> non-human collaborator content needed
13:39:35 <janina> jasonjgw: notes corporations are going to be pragmatic about this kind of included tech; but also risk averse
13:40:41 <scott_h> y week after TPAC: decide if changes shoudl be merged
13:42:01 <scott_h> ACTION: Scott and Jason to review edits
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13:42:32 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:42:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:43:23 <janina> jasonjgw: normally we take week following TPAC off, what's the sense here?
13:46:02 <janina> [discussion to meet or not]
13:46:09 <janina> jasonjgw: Suggests deciding on the 18th
13:52:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:52:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina, raja
13:52:19 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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13:52:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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