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22:04:37 <kristina> zakim, start meeting
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22:04:38 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), kristina
22:05:04 <manu> Meeting: W3C VCWG Special Topic Call
22:05:09 <manu> rrsagent, make logs pubic
22:05:14 <TallTed> meeting: Verifiable Credentials WG Special Topic Call
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22:05:41 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:06:34 <TallTed> present+ selfissued kristina
22:06:37 <TallTed> chair: kristina
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22:06:53 <manu> q+ to mention updates on DI specs
22:06:54 <dwaite> kristina: still working on TPAC agenda, hoping to present to the working group soon
22:06:58 <kristina> ack manu
22:06:58 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention updates on DI specs
22:07:06 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:08:09 <dwaite> manu: heads up to group - data integrity specifications have PRs in for every pre-CR issue - those should be merged in towards end of the week. That will mean that none have any pre-CR issues and will be ready for candidate rec. Should be in good shape for TPAC and DI being ready for CR. Status list and VCDM still have work to go.
22:09:32 <dwaite> manu: feedback from horizontal review from DI - internationalization did not respond, three months for the request means that we are good but may re-ask.
22:09:46 <kristina> topic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls
22:09:50 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:09:58 <kristina> topic: VCDM PRs
22:09:59 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1199
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22:10:52 <dwaite> manu: waiting on JoeAndrieu re-review
22:11:05 <dwaite> JoeAndrieu: will look at again
22:11:10 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1252
22:12:11 <dwaite> manu: changes requested by awoie, waiting on review of changes
22:14:16 <dwaite> manu: can add description to the issuer or to the credential itself. Issue raised were internationalization based, now allows for language tags and has examples. Still raised issue of setting a default language for entire credential. That raises issues on side effects on languages being applied to other strings such as encoded images.
22:14:28 <Kristina_> Q?
22:14:30 <manu> s/awoie/aphillips/
22:14:47 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1256
22:15:55 <JoeAndrieu> q+
22:16:10 <dwaite> manu: optionality of fields and requirement on verifying required fields
22:16:14 <Kristina_> ack JoeAndrieu
22:16:24 <manu> q+
22:16:32 <kristina> ack manu
22:16:51 <dwaite> JoeAndrieu: concerned about "validate" as a defined term
22:17:08 <dwaite> manu: defined in a non-normative section
22:17:18 <brent> I'm happy to take suggestions
22:17:27 <dwaite> JoeAndrieu: I don't think we have defined what that means in a conformant way
22:17:50 <brent> me lol
22:18:38 <dwaite> manu: suggests that we do specify what an appropriate syntax is for those fields, if "validate" makes people uneasy we can say it must meet the normative requirements for the format of the field.
22:18:53 <brent> works for me
22:19:12 <dwaite> JoeAndrieu: describing in that manner frees up the term "validate" which has been used to describe business rules post verification.
22:19:19 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1257
22:20:35 <dwaite> manu: describes use in HTTP, specifically appropriate use of media types. However, be liberal in what you accept.
22:20:49 <manu> q?
22:20:55 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1258
22:21:40 <dwaite> manu: provides guidance on array/multi-dimensional array usage with JSON-LD, to make sure ordering is preserved
22:21:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:22:20 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1259
22:23:18 <dwaite> manu: at the point where we need to lock down the JSON-LD context, Dave Longley and manu have taken passes to fix issues in the context.
22:23:24 <kristina> q?
22:24:56 <dwaite> manu: one new issue - concern about JWT properties are defined. They are currently defined as having to be URLs, may not be the right thing for all properties. For example, kid is defined as being a URL value.
22:25:06 <dwaite> selfissued: kid has no semantics, it is a string
22:26:27 <dwaite> manu: asks for note from selfisused on 1259 to kid, needs general review of types.
22:26:36 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1260
22:28:27 <dwaite> manu: adds key types to base context. Don't know if we have general use cases for expressing keys in a verifiable credential. Don't know if it is a good idea until we have use cases warranting this
22:29:01 <dwaite> kristina: will bring this up in tomorrow's working group call
22:29:09 <kristina> q?
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22:29:29 <pl-asu> Why would anyone want to publish their private key in a VC???
22:31:00 <manu> exactly :)
22:31:29 <dwaite> (zk selective disclosure)
22:31:30 <manu> q+
22:31:38 <kristina> ack manu
22:32:48 <dwaite> manu: add support for DIDs issue is providing a controller document, danger here is that definitions will deviate due to copies in DID core, DI and vc-jose-cose
22:32:57 <dwaite> selfissued: a reason we can't just site did-core?
22:33:09 <TallTed> s/site/cite/
22:33:15 <dwaite> manu: we need to update the text without a mandate to update did-core
22:33:33 <manu> q+
22:33:54 <kristina> ack manu
22:34:21 <dwaite> manu: the point in which the group should get concerned is if these copy-pasted sections start giving opposite advice.
22:34:42 <kristina> topic: issue triaging
22:34:48 <kristina> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3Abefore-CR+-label%3Apost-CR
22:35:06 <kristina> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/1263
22:36:41 <kristina> q?
22:36:48 <manu> q+
22:36:57 <kristina> @dmitri: here is the issue: https://github.com/w3c/vc-jose-cose/issues/140
22:37:04 <kristina> on the controller doc I mean
22:37:10 <dwaite> TallTed: <refering to properties> most properties apply to VCs and not VPs - one property supports both, one is VP-specific. Concerns this is incorrect
22:37:10 <kristina> ack manu
22:37:39 <dwaite> manu: some difficulties in evaluating the diagram - the properties can exist on the VP and VC simulataneously
22:38:34 <manu> q+
22:38:37 <manu> q-
22:38:38 <dwaite> TallTed: credentialschema vs presentationschema, the conversation settled on a VP being a VC with some specialness to it
22:39:09 <dwaite> manu: the VP has different properties, can hold a bundle of verifiable credentials.
22:39:22 <dwaite> TallTed: can you not put VCs in VCs?
22:39:36 <dwaite> manu: you can put them in spots but not in the way that you can do so with a VP
22:40:33 <dwaite> TallTed: people want to associate a verifiable credential with a holder, this diagram makes that impossible
22:40:41 <manu> q+
22:40:55 <kristina> ack manu
22:41:24 <dwaite> manu: I think this comes down to suggested use - since it is an open world model, they can add whatever properties they want
22:42:07 <kristina> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/1262
22:42:15 <manu> q+
22:42:16 <dwaite> kristina, TallTed: mark as discuss
22:42:35 <kristina> ack manu
22:43:22 <dwaite> manu: Orie noticed that JWK didn' have the expired and revoked properties that multikey had.
22:44:17 <dwaite> manu: alignment would mean JWK would have all the same properties
22:44:31 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:45:09 <dwaite> manu: being aligned in DI, after that may need to be aligned in base context
22:45:09 <kristina> q?
22:45:35 <dwaite> manu: may be able to do it post-CR since the context can be modified, but not preferred
22:46:06 <kristina> q?
22:46:24 <manu> rrsagent, publish minutes
22:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/29-vcwg-special-minutes.html manu
22:47:18 <dwaite> zakim, please part
22:47:18 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been manu, dwaite, TallTed, dlongley, selfissued, kristina, dlehn, dmitriz, pl-asu
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22:47:37 <kristina> zakim, end meeting
22:47:37 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:47:49 <TallTed> z, end meeting
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22:47:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been (no one)
22:47:54 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
22:47:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/29-vcwg-special-minutes.html Zakim
22:48:01 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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22:48:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items