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11:56:16 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Joint Meeting
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11:58:31 <xfq> present+ Zitao
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12:00:56 <QingAn> present+
12:01:47 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:02:34 <xiaoqian> QingAn: what's the status of the FO for the charter?
12:02:44 <xfq> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:02:49 <xiaoqian> xfq: I pinged chaals already, no reply yet
12:03:02 <xiaoqian> ... I'll keep writing to him until TPAC
12:03:13 <xiaoqian> ... or we can find him in TPAC
12:03:45 <xiaoqian> QingAn: our charter expires, right?
12:04:00 <xiaoqian> xfq: it's not a problem unless we want to publish specs
12:04:19 <xiaoqian> QingAn: I think we already addressed all the issues Chaals raised
12:04:52 <xiaoqian> xfq: we wanted some clarification on the issues he mentioned
12:05:16 <xiaoqian> ... one on the deliverables, another is about the wide review
12:05:47 <xiaoqian> ... we removed the components according to his advice
12:06:13 <xiaoqian> ... we need an approval from him anyway
12:07:30 <xiaoqian> s/another/the other
12:08:20 <xiaoqian> QingAn: how about the reply to the TAG comments?
12:08:33 <xiaoqian> xfq: waiting for a review from Martin
12:08:45 <xiaoqian> zitao: I'll ping Martin
12:10:36 <xiaoqian> topic: Status of the specs
12:10:54 <xiaoqian> QingAn: not much progress on Lifecycle
12:11:07 <xiaoqian> xfq: we need to close all the issues before moving to CG
12:11:11 <xiaoqian> s/CG/CR
12:11:23 <xiaoqian> ... please close #22
12:11:42 <xiaoqian> QingAn: this is not included in our scope
12:12:07 <xiaoqian> zitao: I'll try to ping the guys who raised the issue
12:12:32 <xiaoqian> QingAn: yes, please, I already explained the situation to they in a f2f meeting
12:13:25 <xiaoqian> zitao: Manifest and Package, no much update
12:13:42 <xiaoqian> ... looking into the security issue raised by the TAG
12:14:04 <xiaoqian> ... if the comment gets accepted, we should update the spec accordingly
12:14:34 <xiaoqian> ... waiting for the suggestion from the TAG
12:14:57 <xiaoqian> xfq: there are some other issues, specially the one about sessions
12:15:21 <xiaoqian> ... and the one about "req_permission"
12:15:42 <xiaoqian> zitao: I will talk to Martin and work on these two
12:16:09 <xiaoqian> xfq: sub-package is relevant to the TAG comments
12:17:16 <xiaoqian> zitao: QingAn and Dan, please take a look at the proposal of sub-package and tell us if the industry can accept it
12:17:51 <xiaoqian> ... it's an important part in our product
12:18:04 <xiaoqian> Dan: is it already inside the spec?
12:18:13 <xiaoqian> zitao: not yet, waiting for your comments
12:18:49 <xiaoqian> Dan: we support streaming in downloading, but not sure if it's in rendering
12:19:26 <xiaoqian> ... sounds like a right time to add it to the spec
12:20:34 <xiaoqian> zitao: I remember someone in the community talked about a use case for streaming media MiniApp
12:21:35 <xiaoqian> Dan: sub-package is widely adopted by the major vendors, streaming needs more discussion
12:21:54 <xiaoqian> zitao: good idea
12:22:37 <xiaoqian> xfq: sub-package already has impact on the manifest spec
12:22:44 <xiaoqian> zitao: indeed
12:23:43 <xiaoqian> zitao: addressing is a very important spec
12:25:00 <xiaoqian> Dan: yes, once the new charter gets approved, we can publish a FPWD for addressing
12:25:52 <xiaoqian> ... #13 can be merged
12:26:27 <xiaoqian> zitao: give me a ping anytime you need my review :)
12:27:29 <xiaoqian> zitao: Components, Martin updated the spec, perhaps he can give an update in the next meeting
12:27:42 <xiaoqian> topic: TPAC agenda
12:30:15 <xfq> xiaoqian: if we want to publish CR, we should have a test suite
12:30:22 <xfq> ... even if it's not complete
12:30:38 <xfq> ... and don't have impls
12:33:12 <xfq> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest
12:39:33 <xiaoqian> Dan: let us talk with our own product team and come up with a plan later
12:41:20 <xfq> xiaoqian: after entering CR, we can consider implementing the specs
12:41:31 <xfq> ... because it's stable enough
12:43:00 <xfq> ... web app manifest will be discussed in TPAC
12:48:25 <xfq> QingAn: I might only be able to attend remotely this time
12:48:33 <xfq> zitao: me too
12:52:45 <xfq> [Discuss TPAC agenda]
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13:05:05 <xfq> chair: QingAn
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