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16:51:00 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:51:01 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
16:51:20 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
16:51:20 <agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
16:51:20 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/ecffaf8b-8aa7-4acc-b238-6088a86cf12f/20230824T130000/
16:51:20 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:51:20 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/45eUtuQ
16:51:20 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3sqLubj
16:51:20 <agendabot> agenda+ -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/ARIA-WPT
16:51:23 <agendabot> agenda+ -> TPAC https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/TPAC-2023-ARIA-Meetings
16:51:25 <agendabot> agenda+ -> What labels does the ARIA WG want to use for WPT search results? https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2008
16:51:28 <agendabot> agenda+ -> aria-controls spec update https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1996
16:51:31 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Clarification on aria-braillelabel SHOULD vs. MUST guidelines https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1995
16:51:34 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Consider creation of a fieldsize/maxlength property https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1119
16:51:37 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Discussion tracking for ARIA Notification proposal https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1957
16:54:30 <jamesn> regrets+ CurtBellew
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16:57:43 <benb> present+
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17:02:03 <spectranaut_> agenda?
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17:02:36 <StefanS> present+
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17:03:10 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
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17:03:19 <jcraig> present+ jcraig
17:03:28 <benb> scribe: benb
17:03:34 <benb> zakim, next item
17:03:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/45eUtuQ -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:40 <thinkbulecount2> present+
17:03:48 <myasonik> present+
17:03:55 <benb> agenda?
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17:05:44 <benb> #2011 - jcraig: just an FYI, no fallout expected
17:05:59 <scotto> present+
17:06:01 <Rahim> present+
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17:07:10 <jaunita_george> Present+
17:07:19 <benb> #56 dpub-aria
17:08:23 <benb> assigning to mattgarrish
17:08:31 <benb> #186 in core-aam
17:08:50 <benb> benb taking it
17:09:05 <benb> #2007 aria
17:09:25 <benb> spectranaut_: already commented on it, assign to me
17:09:46 <benb> zakim, next item
17:09:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3sqLubj -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:10:27 <benb> spectranaut_: PR review needed on #2010
17:10:33 <benb> jcraig: add me
17:10:54 <benb> scotto: me too
17:12:16 <benb> pkra: me too
17:12:32 <benb> #2009 aria
17:12:55 <benb> spectranaut_: this was a request from Matt, copied over diagrams and text from jcraig's presentation
17:13:41 <benb> jamesn: needs approving review
17:13:54 <benb> #500 in html-aam
17:14:15 <benb> scotto: on my todo list,will get on this one soon (TM)
17:14:55 <benb> #41522 in wpt: askign joanie to review it
17:15:24 <benb> #41521 wpt
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17:15:38 <benb> spectranaut_: it's possible it shoudn't be merged. waiting on jcraig for feedback
17:15:54 <benb> jcraig: I'll look at it
17:16:37 <benb> zakim, next item
17:16:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/ARIA-WPT -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:16:46 <benb> zakim, next item
17:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, benb
17:16:52 <benb> zakim, close item
17:16:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', benb
17:16:55 <benb> zakim, close this item
17:16:55 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
17:16:56 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:16:56 <Zakim> 4. -> TPAC https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/TPAC-2023-ARIA-Meetings [from agendabot]
17:17:49 <jcraig> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/pull/41576
17:19:18 <benb> jamesn:we put together a draft agenda for TPAC. We are logging for some agenda setter and have a few opened slots still, and other topics we are not sure we should plan
17:22:26 <benb> aaronlev: not feeling confident about leading the discussion about Rething how hidden is aria-hidden content?
17:23:13 <benb> jamesn+ aaronlev will lead it instead of just aaron
17:23:24 <benb> scotto: I'll add a couple of notes on that issue
17:25:48 <benb> jamesn: still looking for a virtual content lead
17:26:14 <benb> jamesn: virtual content is content that isn't all in the DOM.
17:26:22 <benb> spectranaut_: like infinite scrollers
17:26:54 <benb> jamesn: we want ATs to work well with virtual content
17:27:26 <benb> cyns: Alice would be a great lead for this
17:27:43 <benb> MattKing: is this really AOM?
17:28:59 <benb> jcraig: the proposed solution was leaking privacy information
17:29:17 <benb> jcraig: the best way forward might be to come up with an entire new proposal
17:29:30 <benb> cyns: we made some progress on the privacy concerns last TPAC
17:30:13 <benb> jcraig: to me this cannot be an accessibility only feature. It should be tied in the browser to the scroll view
17:30:45 <benb> jamesn: then we shouldn't have this session and table this until we have a better proposal
17:31:08 <benb> spectranaut_: if we think this is not an ARIA specific thing should we have another group at TPAC discuss it?
17:31:48 <benb> spectranaut_: we know it needs to be done so we need to convince the right people to work on this and TPAC is a great place for that
17:32:01 <benb> cyns: I think it's a browser accessibility issue
17:32:47 <benb> MattKing: Valerie is right, we need to make the need understood byothers. The what and the why.
17:33:16 <benb> MattKing: I look at it like the notifications piece - it's important, and like the notification piece it's low level stuff
17:33:26 <dmontalvo> q+ to propose APA for this?
17:33:51 <benb> q+
17:34:05 <jamesn> ack dmontalvo
17:34:05 <Zakim> dmontalvo, you wanted to propose APA for this?
17:35:07 <benb> ack benb
17:36:14 <benb> benb: Edge team is still committed to go after a solution for the virtual content issue
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17:39:17 <benb> StefanS: tooltips are different across browsers, is it configurable across browsers. I feel like there is no normalization or standardization for tooltips
17:40:45 <benb> MattKing: We need to ask Sarah to be there for this talk
17:41:03 <scotto> q+
17:41:21 <benb> ack scotto
17:41:57 <benb> scotto: Sarah wants to be in the tooltip discussion. She and I started to work on a design for OpenUI
17:42:41 <benb> jamesn: APA wants to talk to us/with us about the notification proposal
17:43:05 <benb> aaronlev: do we have another slot where we can discuss how to ship aria notifications
17:43:34 <benb> aaronlev: We have some thoughts on how to get this take off
17:44:15 <jcraig> q+ to suggest some time (30m or less) to chat about this one: https://github.com/WICG/aom/issues/197
17:44:43 <benb> jamesn: we can have 45 minutes on the 17:00 to 18:30 to discuss tooltips and the other 45 could be for the intenral discussion about the notification proposal
17:46:31 <benb> jamesn: we don't know where to schedule it but we should continue talking about how to improve the relationship between ARIA and the ATs
17:49:46 <benb> jamesn: let's schedule a 45 minutes talk about ARIA-AT, where we'll invite NVDA and Vispero
17:50:12 <benb> jamesn: the other topic we've been talking about for years is data viz, and I'd love to make progress on it
17:51:05 <benb> jcraig: I talked to some people at CSUN this year.
17:51:32 <benb> jcraig: we could make progress on SVG but it wouldn't really help the broader web
17:52:13 <benb> MattKing: HighCharts is the most ahead in terms of accessibility
17:52:26 <benb> MAttKing: who are these folks? Are they part of a WG?
17:52:58 <benb> jamesn: do they even want to share their accessibility solutions? It's a competitive edge for them
17:53:35 <benb> jamesn: anyone interested to work with me on doing research about accessible data viz?
17:53:35 <jcraig> Discussed with Øystein Moseng at HighSoft at CSUN.
17:53:44 <benb> pkra: I'm interested
17:55:23 <benb> spectranaut_: we could skip the first slot on Monday morning
17:56:29 <benb> jamesn: Intros will take a while, so we could keep it open
17:56:53 <benb> spectranaut_: if attending remotely, please edit the wiki and mention which sessions you want to attend
17:57:02 <jcraig> acl me
17:57:04 <jcraig> ack me
17:57:04 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to suggest some time (30m or less) to chat about this one: https://github.com/WICG/aom/issues/197
17:58:04 <benb> jcraig: would like to chat about this with other implementors
17:58:54 <benb> jcraig: depends about who will be at TPAC
17:59:24 <benb> jcraig: what other interfaces do we need for webdriver?
17:59:57 <benb> zakim,end meeting
17:59:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been benb, StefanS, jamesn, Daniel, jcraig, thinkbulecount, myasonik, scotto, Rahim, jaunita_george, Matt_King
17:59:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/24-aria-minutes.html Zakim
18:00:07 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, benb; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:00:52 <jcraig> s/other interfaces do we need for webdriver/other accessibility test interfaces do we need for webdriver? for example... a webdriver path to trigger "accessibility press" on some backing accessibility object/
18:22:41 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
18:22:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/24-aria-minutes.html jcraig
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