IRC log of dxwg on 2023-08-23

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zakim, please start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), LarsG
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Meeting: DXWG CNEG Telecon
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.23
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Chair: roba
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present+
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ScribeNick: LarsG
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https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.23
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present+
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PROPOSED: Approve minutes
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+0
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+1
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https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-minutes.html
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+1
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+1
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RESOLVED: Minutes approved
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TOPIC: Check status of actions from last meeting
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present+
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https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-minutes.html#ActionSummary
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roba: LarsG has created PR which is approved
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LarsG: will ping kcoyle to ask for input
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roba: #23, #26 and #27 not yet addressed
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roba: No discussion wich nicholascar on #32
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s/#32/#32 yet/
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nicholascar: don't like full URIs here
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... AltP is not correct any more
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... should be AltR
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roba: cpnr is defined in the document but altr isn't
11:20:09 [pchampin]
q+
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ACTION: nicholascar to address #32
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pchampin: is replacement of altp with altr correct?
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... we usually have a table with all prefixes in the document
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nicholascar: will tend to that
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q-
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YoucTagh: revised #44
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nicholascar: sceptical of solution
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... canonical should be the default
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... everything else is alternate
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roba: will not implement preferred
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... so there will be no implementation evidence
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... thus feature at risk
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nicholascar: seems like an error in our document
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YoucTagh: Intention is to flag the preferred representation for a specific dimension
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... canonical is the global fallback
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... but we need a way to show which is the best representation
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... for a specific combination of dimensions
11:28:20 [pchampin]
q+
11:28:39 [LarsG]
ack pchampin
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pchampin: Agree that only one canonical allowed
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... so we need something else to convey the semantics
11:30:04 [nicholascar]
q+
11:30:10 [LarsG]
... at the moment we have no way to convey the input dimensions
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YoucTagh: that's what the "dim" is for
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roba: Currently no driver for "preferred"
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nicholascar: There is order of presedence (profle, media type)
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... in the model there are default formats for each media type
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q?
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... we _can_ push this to any dimension (incl. lang)
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roba: have implemented slightly differently
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... giving error message instead of default
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... do YoucTagh have use cases to support the proposal?
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YoucTagh: Not now. Solution emerged from our last discussion
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roba: Will catch up with nicholascar to see that their implementations
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... are similar and adhere to the spec
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... we still keep #44 open until the multiple "canonical" is resolved
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SUBTOPIC: Review of §7.1
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YoucTagh: Have reviewed the text
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... in the context of #7
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... still unclear if "the profile" refers to "data profile"
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... or to "functional profile". Is that on purpose?
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roba: Should be "functional profile"
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YoucTagh: Spec talks of "human browser"
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... we can use URLs without human browsers, however,
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... also conforming (with|to) - confusing for non-native speakers -
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... Listing in spec (Code listing 1) is not consistent with TTL file
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nicholascar: will take care of that
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ACTION: nicholascar to find solution for automatic linking of external content
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pchampin: All documents in /TR must be self-contained
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... there is now an automated process for document publication
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... for documents in draft status
11:47:53 [pchampin]
PROPOSED: use Echidna to auto-publish workind drafts from branch gh-pages
11:48:13 [nicholascar]
+1
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s/workind/working/
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+1
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+1
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+1
11:49:49 [LarsG]
pchampin: the point is to publish all EDs as WDs
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+1
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RESOLVED: use Echidna to auto-publish workind drafts from branch gh-pages
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ACTION: pchampin to set up echidna to auto-publish working drafts from branch gh-pages
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s/workind/working/
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YoucTagh: cnpr:rrd is not clear
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... this is already implied when implementing http or qsa
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nic
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nicholascar: It implies a hierarchy. We need a diagram to describe it
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s/nic//
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roba: It seems that the terminology as such is fine.
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... We need PRs to fix the minor issues
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... then we can mark the issue as due-for-closing
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... and high-light it to the group
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q+
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ACTION: roba to update §7.1 based on YoucTagh's feedback
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https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues
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q-
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q- nicholascar
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TOPIC: Next meeting
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nicholascar: We should look at the implementation report
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roba: Also #37
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nicholascar: Can prepare text for that
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roba: We cannot assign tasks to nicholascar
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... can pchampin have a look at that?
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pchampin: Will look into that
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ACTION: pchampin to check why we cannot assign tasks to nicholascar
12:02:47 [nicholascar]
present-
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RRSAgent, pleas draft minutes v2
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'pleas draft minutes v2', LarsG. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-minutes.html LarsG
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RRSAgent, please excuse us
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I see 5 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: nicholascar to address #32 [1]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-20-24
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ACTION: nicholascar to find solution for automatic linking of external content [2]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-44-54
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ACTION: pchampin to set up echidna to auto-publish working drafts from branch gh-pages [3]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-50-45
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ACTION: roba to update §7.1 based on YoucTagh's feedback [4]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-58-06
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ACTION: pchampin to check why we cannot assign tasks to nicholascar [5]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T12-01-30