10:45:37 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dxwg
10:45:41 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc
10:45:58 <LarsG> zakim, please start meeting
10:45:58 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
10:46:00 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), LarsG
10:46:21 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Telecon
10:57:26 <LarsG> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.23
10:58:02 <YoucTagh> YoucTagh has joined #dxwg
11:03:08 <roba> roba has joined #dxwg
11:03:32 <roba> present +
11:03:38 <YoucTagh> present +
11:03:41 <LarsG> Chair: roba
11:03:44 <LarsG> present+
11:03:54 <LarsG> ScribeNick: LarsG
11:04:10 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.23
11:07:27 <pchampin> present+
11:10:15 <LarsG> PROPOSED: Approve minutes
11:10:21 <pchampin> +0
11:10:27 <YoucTagh> +1
11:10:29 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-minutes.html
11:10:32 <LarsG> +1
11:10:32 <roba> +1
11:10:45 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
11:11:36 <LarsG> TOPIC: Check status of actions from last meeting
11:11:37 <nicholascar> nicholascar has joined #dxwg
11:11:41 <nicholascar> present+
11:11:46 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-minutes.html#ActionSummary
11:12:59 <LarsG> roba: LarsG has created PR which is approved
11:13:13 <LarsG> LarsG: will ping kcoyle to ask for input
11:16:25 <LarsG> roba: #23, #26 and #27 not yet addressed
11:16:48 <LarsG> roba: No discussion wich nicholascar on #32
11:17:23 <LarsG> s/#32/#32 yet/
11:17:40 <LarsG> nicholascar: don't like full URIs here
11:18:24 <LarsG> ... AltP is not correct any more
11:18:31 <LarsG> ... should be AltR
11:19:45 <LarsG> roba: cpnr is defined in the document but altr isn't
11:20:09 <pchampin> q+
11:20:24 <LarsG> ACTION: nicholascar to address #32
11:21:03 <LarsG> pchampin: is replacement of altp with altr correct?
11:21:28 <LarsG> ... we usually have a table with all prefixes in the document
11:21:58 <LarsG> nicholascar: will tend to that
11:22:08 <pchampin> q-
11:23:09 <LarsG> YoucTagh: revised #44
11:24:25 <LarsG> nicholascar: sceptical of solution
11:24:45 <LarsG> ... canonical should be the default
11:25:03 <LarsG> ... everything else is alternate
11:25:21 <LarsG> roba: will not implement preferred
11:25:36 <LarsG> ... so there will be no implementation evidence
11:25:45 <LarsG> ... thus feature at risk
11:26:00 <LarsG> nicholascar: seems like an error in our document
11:26:46 <LarsG> YoucTagh: Intention is to flag the preferred representation for a specific dimension
11:26:58 <LarsG> ... canonical is the global fallback
11:27:15 <LarsG> ... but we need a way to show which is the best representation
11:27:42 <LarsG> ... for a specific combination of dimensions
11:28:20 <pchampin> q+
11:28:39 <LarsG> ack pchampin
11:29:03 <LarsG> pchampin: Agree that only one canonical allowed
11:29:17 <LarsG> ... so we need something else to convey the semantics
11:30:04 <nicholascar> q+
11:30:10 <LarsG> ... at the moment we have no way to convey the input dimensions
11:30:40 <LarsG> YoucTagh: that's what the "dim" is for
11:31:02 <LarsG> roba: Currently no driver for "preferred"
11:31:36 <LarsG> nicholascar: There is order of presedence (profle, media type)
11:31:56 <LarsG> ... in the model there are default formats for each media type
11:32:20 <LarsG> q?
11:33:21 <LarsG> ... we _can_ push this to any dimension (incl. lang)
11:33:41 <LarsG> roba: have implemented slightly differently
11:33:58 <LarsG> ... giving error message instead of default
11:34:35 <LarsG> ... do YoucTagh have use cases to support the proposal?
11:35:05 <LarsG> YoucTagh: Not now. Solution emerged from our last discussion
11:35:23 <LarsG> roba: Will catch up with nicholascar to see that their implementations
11:35:34 <LarsG> ... are similar and adhere to the spec
11:36:43 <LarsG> ... we still keep #44 open until the multiple "canonical" is resolved
11:37:22 <LarsG> SUBTOPIC: Review of §7.1
11:38:46 <LarsG> YoucTagh: Have reviewed the text
11:39:17 <LarsG> ... in the context of #7
11:39:42 <LarsG> ... still unclear if "the profile" refers to "data profile"
11:39:59 <LarsG> ... or to "functional profile". Is that on purpose?
11:40:18 <LarsG> roba: Should be "functional profile"
11:40:49 <LarsG> YoucTagh: Spec talks of "human browser"
11:41:11 <LarsG> ... we can use URLs without human browsers, however,
11:41:59 <LarsG> ... also conforming (with|to) - confusing for non-native speakers -
11:43:47 <LarsG> ... Listing in spec (Code listing 1) is not consistent with TTL file
11:43:56 <LarsG> nicholascar: will take care of that
11:44:54 <LarsG> ACTION: nicholascar to find solution for automatic linking of external content
11:45:11 <LarsG> pchampin: All documents in /TR must be self-contained
11:45:29 <LarsG> ... there is now an automated process for document publication
11:45:46 <LarsG> ... for documents in draft status
11:47:53 <pchampin> PROPOSED: use Echidna to auto-publish workind drafts from branch gh-pages
11:48:13 <nicholascar> +1
11:48:14 <LarsG> s/workind/working/
11:49:38 <roba> +1
11:49:44 <pchampin> +1
11:49:48 <YoucTagh> +1
11:49:49 <LarsG> pchampin: the point is to publish all EDs as WDs
11:49:51 <LarsG> +1
11:50:07 <LarsG> RESOLVED: use Echidna to auto-publish workind drafts from branch gh-pages
11:50:45 <LarsG> ACTION: pchampin to set up echidna to auto-publish working drafts from branch gh-pages
11:50:54 <LarsG> s/workind/working/
11:52:55 <LarsG> YoucTagh: cnpr:rrd is not clear
11:53:24 <LarsG> ... this is already implied when implementing http or qsa
11:53:26 <LarsG> nic
11:53:54 <LarsG> nicholascar: It implies a hierarchy. We need a diagram to describe it
11:53:59 <LarsG> s/nic//
11:54:58 <LarsG> roba: It seems that the terminology as such is fine.
11:55:10 <LarsG> ... We need PRs to fix the minor issues
11:55:32 <LarsG> ... then we can mark the issue as due-for-closing
11:55:45 <LarsG> ... and high-light it to the group
11:57:10 <LarsG> q+
11:58:06 <LarsG> ACTION: roba to update §7.1 based on YoucTagh's feedback
11:58:36 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues
11:58:49 <LarsG> q-
11:58:54 <LarsG> q- nicholascar
11:59:09 <LarsG> TOPIC: Next meeting
11:59:27 <LarsG> nicholascar: We should look at the implementation report
12:00:09 <LarsG> roba: Also #37
12:00:18 <LarsG> nicholascar: Can prepare text for that
12:00:40 <LarsG> roba: We cannot assign tasks to nicholascar
12:00:58 <LarsG> ... can pchampin have a look at that?
12:01:08 <LarsG> pchampin: Will look into that
12:01:30 <LarsG> ACTION: pchampin to check why we cannot assign tasks to nicholascar
12:02:47 <nicholascar> present-
12:02:48 <LarsG> RRSAgent, pleas draft minutes v2
12:02:48 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'pleas draft minutes v2', LarsG.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:02:59 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
12:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-minutes.html LarsG
12:04:30 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please excuse us
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-actions.rdf :
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: nicholascar to address #32 [1]
12:04:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-20-24
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: nicholascar to find solution for automatic linking of external content [2]
12:04:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-44-54
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to set up echidna to auto-publish working drafts from branch gh-pages [3]
12:04:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-50-45
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: roba to update §7.1 based on YoucTagh's feedback [4]
12:04:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T11-58-06
12:04:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to check why we cannot assign tasks to nicholascar [5]
12:04:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-dxwg-irc#T12-01-30