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11:56:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
11:56:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Media accessibility: update and planning.
11:56:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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13:01:18 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:01:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:02:48 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes inprocess comments from COGA and thanks the TF for them
13:03:12 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes Scott went through them and generated our questions and responses
13:04:14 <janina> jasonjgw: One challenge that came up relates to scope
13:04:39 <janina> jasonjgw: Collaborative editing scenarios, also revision control, change tracking, etc
13:05:12 <janina> jasonjgw: May not be an editor, and so far has been text editing, but could be more--just not yet addressed, e.g. media editing
13:05:37 <lisa__> q+ to ask for the link to scotts work (i have the google doc)
13:05:52 <janina> jasonjgw: We're mindful of not expanding scope significantly, esp. to not range into other groups' remits
13:06:23 <janina> jasonjgw: We could take on tooling, for example, but we should discuss scope
13:06:27 <janina> jasonjgw:
13:06:41 <janina> We also have some process issues to touch on
13:06:59 <janina> jasonjgw: So, re scope, which in, which out, and which can we rework to bring into scope
13:07:43 <janina> scott_h: Thanks everyone for the time and the overview from Jason
13:08:07 <Rachael> janina: I want to suggest we can likely dispense with our process questions and focus on scope.
13:08:16 <Rachael> ...Lisa may have questions after she gets a sense of where and how
13:08:26 <janina> scott_h: q?
13:09:09 <janina> lisa__: Wasn't aware there was now an issue from our doc; can we get a link?
13:10:06 <janina> lisa__: Notes Janina, Rachael, Roy, and I have weekly planning; we should use that to stay coordinated
13:10:10 <jasonjgw> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2023Jul/0014.html
13:11:03 <lisa__> our google doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJhBYRI-zk2rl_mohHZ63xAGZxzpDMxhHhXT66bjFBI/edit
13:11:06 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes link above to Scott's summary; clarifies that it will become a multiplicity of issues on github, but we haven't done that yet
13:13:33 <lisa__> q+ to say we have probems with the comments, and can put in end of comment marks
13:14:02 <Rachael> Roger: asked about apps
13:14:29 <Rachael> Janina: Yes. Some tools like MS docs do a good job about that.
13:14:36 <Rachael> Roger: I'm not sure how many people know about that.
13:14:52 <Rachael> ....If you don't. know, then the publication would have to be converted to MS word.
13:15:30 <Rachael> janina: That's right. The feature broke a few times a few months ago. Working now. It used to be called "download". It prompts you for what format you want to download into.
13:17:04 <janina> rajAsks scott_h Explains his experience using high contrast; had to get help knowing where comments ended
13:17:18 <janina> ack l
13:17:18 <Zakim> lisa__, you wanted to ask for the link to scotts work (i have the google doc) and to say we have probems with the comments, and can put in end of comment marks
13:17:37 <janina> lisa__: Would "End Comment" help?
13:18:07 <janina> lisa__: Fpound it hard to tell where comments were
13:18:09 <janina> q+
13:18:40 <janina> lisa__: Comments take up relatively little space, it's hard to know what's in it, what's added
13:19:05 <janina> lisa__: We focussed on the process that helped us collect comments
13:20:47 <Rachael> janina: End comment would be helpful. I think you just raised the point that the comment feature is difficult for coga as well as screen readers. If using that feature is a problem, then that needs to be written up.
13:20:57 <Rachael> ...that is extremely important because of the industry development.
13:21:30 <Rachael> ...this document then becomes more important. IF scrolling to a box on the side is a challenge. We need to capture those.
13:22:19 <janina> scott_h: End comment is good, something consistent that jumps out could work
13:22:38 <janina> lisa: Think it's worth figuring out what's relevantly easy for each our groups
13:22:49 <janina> lisa__: Will do, and ask for your response?
13:23:05 <janina> scott_h: Yes, happy todo this
13:24:05 <janina> jasonjgw: Returning to the more substantive point, a more detailed comment on the user interface withcomment feature should be captured
13:25:30 <Rachael> janina: Might be helpful to talk scoping
13:25:35 <janina> janina: Suggests scoping example for COGA benefits
13:25:46 <janina> jasonjgw: e.g. summary of doc
13:26:02 <janina> jasonjgw: Providing summary would be out of scope
13:26:14 <janina> jasonjgw: Change tracking summary would be within scope
13:26:36 <janina> q+
13:27:14 <janina> ack jan
13:27:45 <janina> jasonjgw: point is general editing is not what we're working on; rather the collaborative aspects
13:27:58 <janina> lisa__: We did see that
13:28:21 <janina> lisa__: We did get summary, and easy lang reqs, but also change log
13:28:57 <janina> lisa__: Recalls we had collab env could be more supportavie to authors to achieve this
13:30:40 <janina> lisa__: would be helpful to have a tag that enables help on demand
13:31:26 <janina> lisa__: Concerned to support author contributors to get these things done properly
13:32:36 <janina> lisa__: analogy of alt text; one searches for image and checks for the alt and its quality
13:33:30 <janina> jasonjgw: suggests a11y info; any update of what it applies to triggers prompting that a11y info is still correct
13:33:45 <janina> jasonjgw: could be one way to integrate
13:34:17 <janina> q?
13:35:18 <Rachael> janina: I'm a little hesitatant. I'd like to hear from Lisa. This is still in process.
13:36:04 <Rachael> Matt: Will the existing  comments change?
13:36:40 <janina> jasonjgw: Asks whether existing received comments are ready for github
13:37:01 <janina> lisa__: Have at least 3 more to add; should do that and resend with "end comment"
13:37:24 <janina> lisa__: What we sent is approved by COGA, though; should be ready for github
13:37:35 <janina> lisa__: But would that be confusing?
13:37:52 <janina> jasonjgw: Email would be easier for us
13:38:17 <janina> lisa__: Think I should but the "close comment" in the existing; then send the additionals via email
13:38:24 <janina> jasonjgw: Any concerns on the strategy
13:38:27 <janina> raja: Not here
13:39:06 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes there are quite a few, and we'll need to make decisions on each once we have them in github
13:39:48 <janina> jasonjgw: We'll communicate per comment once we're ready with a disposition proposal
13:40:27 <Rachael> janina: This has been a very helpful conversation
13:40:56 <Rachael> janina: Early days. COGA will want to weigh in eventually.
13:41:38 <Rachael> ...accessibility user requirements started as how can we handle html? How do we make sure everything we need for accessibility in html5? Has several sections.
13:42:18 <Rachael> ....kinds of issues, general neeeds. ..We have been asked for a 2.0 of MAUR (sp?) because the document was so successful.
13:42:50 <Rachael> ...lots of problems with htmls but one area that had no issues was media.
13:42:52 <Rachael> ...time to update.
13:43:22 <Rachael> ...we have a laundry list. I know COGA has issues like keywords. The ability to support that in educational environments would get used.
13:43:47 <Rachael> ...I think you'll want to get involved at some point. It will be a TPAC conversation w/ media and entertainment interest group.
13:45:12 <Rachael> [discussion about getting link]
13:45:23 <Rachael> ...I will share link.
13:45:54 <Rachael> ...APA is now looking at charters and those conversations led to wanting to update the MAUR.
13:46:35 <Rachael> ...APA in blue sky mode. A lot of groups have come to conclusion so APA is thinking about how to change the web world in 5-10 years.
13:46:51 <Rachael> ...ADAPT and AAC will be part of that.
13:47:20 <Rachael> ...A lot of things lined up for creative thinking.
13:47:39 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:47:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Media accessibility: update and planning. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:47:46 <Rachael> s/Matt/jasonjgw
13:47:49 <jasonjgw> https://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
13:49:05 <janina> jasonjgw: We're already in discussions with MEIG and APA that will influence MAUR 2.0
13:49:19 <janina> jasonjgw: We have a list from MEIG--some of which are very challenging
13:49:33 <janina> jasonjgw: We've started collecting our list of items to address
13:49:54 <janina> jasonjgw: We've moved MEIG's issues into github, but haven't worked on them yet
13:50:11 <janina> jasonjgw: Next step is to get ours into github; then start working on the text
13:51:18 <Rachael> Janina: Some preference for CANVA because they can create livelier animations. Finally got CSS ways to control it and now preferences are changing
13:51:33 <Rachael> s/CANVA/Canvas
13:52:07 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes multiple a11y issues crop up when you change the platform
13:52:29 <janina> jasonjgw: It came up for TV based environments
13:53:10 <Rachael> janina: Underlying principle is if you create a new platform you also have to reinvent the accessibility support
13:53:14 <Rachael> ..regulators care
13:55:10 <Rachael> janina: I  am hesitant but believe I should be the one to do it
13:55:39 <Rachael> ...TPAC timing is difficult
13:56:03 <janina> [Janina and Scott volunteer to work on media post TPAC]
13:56:18 <janina> jasonjgw: notes we have wiki; phps we can come back to it post TPAC
13:57:03 <Rachael> janina: Try to get Raja involved around the hard of hearing and Deaf
13:57:21 <lisa__> q+
13:58:27 <janina> lisa__: wants to note comorbidity; when there are multiple issues; cause of one issue lends to other issues
13:59:03 <janina> lisa__: Notes several COGA members who's first issue is COGA, but now also vision or hearing
13:59:43 <janina> jasonjgw: So we'll focus on media for TPAC planning, then working on issues and the doc post TPAC
14:00:40 <lisa__> thanks everyone
14:00:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
14:00:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Rachael, scott_h, lisa__
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14:00:57 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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