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14:44:05 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:44:58 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:49:02 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:49:16 <Fazio> Agenda+ Discuss TPAC Breakout
14:49:34 <Fazio> Agenda+ update on GitHub/New Working Draft Readiness
14:49:50 <Fazio> Agenda+ Follow up on Task Force Page replacing Wiki
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15:04:54 <CharlesL> present+ Jeff
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15:05:24 <stacey> scribe+
15:06:33 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:07:07 <Mark> present+
15:07:12 <stacey> Jeff- email to the group to discuss support dimension today
15:07:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe+
15:07:33 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Topic: Support Dimension
15:07:44 <janina> q+
15:08:04 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/16-maturity-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
15:08:13 <stacey> is that dimension too big/catch-all? Things that belong in other places? Needs some editing for consistency and make sure the right things are in there (key important/not too granular for every task)
15:08:51 <CharlesL> q+
15:08:52 <stacey> Turn the comment into an editor's note- aware needs xyz, need your comments to edit and update in the working draft.
15:08:56 <CharlesL> ack janina
15:11:09 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q?
15:11:24 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Jeff: email to the group to discuss support dimension today
15:11:32 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... is that dimension too big/catch-all? Things that belong in other places? Needs some editing for consistency and make sure the right things are in there (key important/not too granular for every task)
15:11:41 <sheribyrne> q+
15:11:44 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: Turn the comment into an editor's note- aware needs xyz, need your comments to edit and update in the working draft.
15:11:52 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... put it in the 2.4.1 section
15:12:04 <stacey> we agreed at last meeting section that will point to the spreadsheet, 2.4.1 section for editor's note
15:12:31 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... we agreed at last meeting section that will point to the spreadsheet, 2.4.1 section for editor's note
15:14:53 <stacey> CharlesL: testing this at Benetech, made changes and made some updates..I have time to make changes...Today Susan sent an updated set of changes to the dimensions in the excel spreadsheet
15:15:27 <stacey> ...this morning I was able to add 2.4.1 section that points to the current maturity model spreadsheet, it's in Github in same directory and links to it
15:15:31 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:15:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/16-maturity-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
15:16:37 <stacey> ...there is an editor's note in that section that basically says final format is TBD, can add Jeff's note here
15:16:45 <CharlesL> q?
15:16:47 <CharlesL> ack me
15:16:51 <CharlesL> ack sheribyrne
15:17:38 <stacey> sheribyrne: want doc and excel in sync, while I created and maintained original file I appreciate Charles picking this up
15:19:23 <stacey> CharlesL: we need to say we agree, update excel to match, and make same changes in proof points to match. To Jeff's point this is getting to be a very long section. Do we not worry about Susan's current edits and make sure docs are in sync? What do we use as the master?
15:20:02 <stacey> David: we're past due for updating, TPAC in three weeks and we need to get an update published. Save the rest for the next update
15:20:18 <stacey> Janina: yes we need to take this up, put on the list post publication
15:20:31 <stacey> David: OK to publish as-is?
15:20:58 <stacey> sheribyrne: should acknowledge it's not in sync and make sure we do that next
15:21:32 <stacey> CharlesL: happy to make that note in 2.4.1 where we link to spreadsheet. We know out of sync, work in progress and we'll address this
15:22:47 <stacey> Jeff: put some of the examples in there but not all of them?
15:23:14 <stacey> David: let's put these in the notes.
15:23:21 <stacey> CharlesL: I'll do after the call
15:23:25 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:23:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Discuss TPAC Breakout -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:24:34 <stacey> Janina: have several volunteers from corp participants, but not just corporate...a few panelist for breakout would be important. I can work with David on proposal, or Sheri. We have a few weeks left. Due Sept 3, but get done in the next week in proposing the breakout
15:25:17 <stacey> Fazio: Can virtuall get Jonathan Town Lane, joined last year and can maybe share the experience using it without talking about name of the company
15:25:37 <stacey> ..Charles, Brian, Jonathan...Sheri?
15:25:48 <stacey> Sheribyrne: yeah, we can talk about that
15:25:57 <stacey> ...I'll be available virtually
15:26:17 <stacey> janina: we'll be requesting afternoon time so we can include North America comfortably
15:26:32 <stacey> Fazio: I can write up narrative and send to Janina
15:26:57 <stacey> Janina: need to be ready to answer why a W3C maturity model
15:27:14 <stacey> ...bears repeating, people might have forgotten
15:27:42 <stacey> Fazio: Irfan too maybe?
15:28:34 <stacey> Janina: some corporate feedback experience with the W3C maturity model, become a standard show wherever we can put this on at conferences in the future, we have a good story
15:28:50 <stacey> Jeff: will there be call in info for TPAC?
15:29:12 <stacey> Janina: Open to public for breakout sessions, with questions and comments
15:29:39 <stacey> ...need people tracking the comments in chat, Zoom call? Don't expect everyone to be IRC enabled.
15:29:49 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:29:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- update on GitHub/New Working Draft Readiness -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:33:07 <stacey> CharlesL: I think it's just fixing the items from this discussion? Some wording issues in the dimensions, customer support team went through and some items weren't applicable to them and a few questions on understanding the proof points. We can address these later. 172 proof point discrepancy, and everything else looks like are good, add last editor note in new section.
15:33:37 <stacey> ...will be done after this call
15:33:44 <stacey> Fazio: how should we publish?
15:34:25 <stacey> Janina: Tell Roy to update current version on editor draft. Some parallel activity on homepage. Latest excel spreadsheet link, homepage under APA to show more things but doesn't affecxt publication
15:34:55 <stacey> Fazio: once Charles gives confirmation, we give to Roy and we all promote
15:35:10 <stacey> Janina: Yay!
15:36:01 <stacey> Janina: you can ask Roy directly or ask me to do it, just put me in the loop
15:36:09 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:36:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Follow up on Task Force Page replacing Wiki -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:37:19 <Mark> q+
15:37:39 <stacey> Janina: whether we keep a wiki or not, W3C or github or keep in old silver or point to historic or say we don't use it...can change our minds later. But we are under advertised on the homepage.
15:38:37 <stacey> ...top page that describes what we do was something Roy put together when became part of APA, most discoverable thing and should be more specific than it currently is. Need 2.4.1 for latest spreadsheet find it here
15:39:09 <stacey> ...may be other things we want to change. Make a list of edits for Roy, at least that one change done before TPAC. Maybe some other ones, it's our opening homepage for the world
15:40:04 <stacey> Janina: relatively permanent, just a set of updated information we can give to Roy. If we want to update continuously update then a wiki
15:40:15 <stacey> Fazio: who wants to get to work on this?
15:40:27 <CharlesL> ack Mark
15:40:29 <stacey> ack Mark
15:41:13 <stacey> Mark: keep wiki but make static. Took a look at it and have a list of recommendations, and a few things that are a question. Word doc for us to consider. Do I put this into an email for everyone?
15:41:30 <stacey> Fazio: Yes and no. But we're on the call, so what questions do you have?
15:42:06 <stacey> Mark: What should we get rid of? First thing was github issues assigned, github comments from first working draft, it didn't contain anything when I clicked into it.
15:42:26 <stacey> ...maturity modeling was the anchor text for the link
15:42:35 <stacey> Janina: left over from silvers. Delete
15:42:50 <stacey> Mark: Maturity model draft working doc. Is this used?
15:42:57 <stacey> Janina: Ancient, take it out
15:43:23 <stacey> Mark: draft of maturity model note didn't seem current version
15:43:30 <stacey> Fazio: Delete
15:44:29 <stacey> Mark: going to delete the old google docs that predate...are older versions. Next steps thought remove, but it's static so we won't have next steps
15:44:36 <stacey> ...participants, remove or update
15:45:01 <stacey> Fazio: going to have participant list elsewhere
15:45:35 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/
15:45:47 <stacey> Janina: would have to move it either way, now part of APA not silver. Need to look at that one and should update is the link (posted above)
15:46:10 <stacey> ...that's our opening face to the world, what do we want to say in here, what should people see when they first find us?
15:46:35 <stacey> ...who are we, what are we doing, our docs, how to get involved?
15:46:37 <sheribyrne> need to drop to put out a fire
15:46:50 <stacey> Fazio: who wants to volunteer to get the notes together?
15:47:17 <CharlesL> q+
15:47:27 <stacey> sheribyrne: if someone handles the github I can do it or work with Mark? Just providing the text to Roy?
15:47:37 <stacey> Mark: happy to work on it with you
15:47:51 <stacey> sheribyrne: I'll reach out to you
15:48:16 <CharlesL> The proof-points of each dimention may not be in sync between this document and what is in the latest excel Speadsheet template. We are experimenting on how detailed do we want to be and if this document only shows a sample of all the proofpoints for a dimension or if the complete list of proof-points should be identical.
15:48:25 <stacey> CharlesL: proposed wording for the new editor's note (above)
15:48:59 <stacey> Janina: not sure about the last sentence.
15:49:20 <stacey> ...can say we're still experimenting and are works in progress and may not be in sync
15:49:43 <stacey> Jeff: might say, for most detailed info use the spreadsheet
15:49:58 <stacey> Fazio: we can go through it in email
15:50:02 <stacey> ...Anything else?
15:50:27 <stacey> ...we'll be published in the next week or so and get ready for TPAC!
15:51:48 <stacey> zakim, end meeting
15:51:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, CharlesL, stacey, Jeff, janina, Lionel_Wolberger_, sheribyrne, Mark
15:51:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/16-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:51:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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