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11:58:35 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
11:59:06 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster
12:02:25 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura
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12:05:38 <kaz> scribenick: mjk
12:05:52 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:05:57 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian, Ege
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12:06:07 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:06:14 <mjk> topic: minutes review
12:06:15 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html Aug-2
12:06:21 <kaz> s/topic: Minutes//
12:06:41 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:06:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:06:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:07:04 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
12:07:18 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:07:26 <kaz> regrets- Sebastian
12:07:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:08:26 <kaz> q+
12:08:34 <mjk> mm: any objections to publish the minutes?
12:08:54 <mjk> ... no objections, approve to publish
12:09:54 <kaz> ack k
12:10:01 <kaz> kaz: @@
12:10:04 <mjk> topic: quick updates
12:10:14 <mjk> mm: no quick updates
12:10:26 <mjk> topic: minutes policy
12:10:50 <kaz> s/@@/I'm OK with the minutes themselves, but we could apply the proposed policy for the minutes management quickly though the other policies would take longer./
12:11:00 <kaz> i/OK/scribenick: kaz/
12:11:07 <mjk> mm: an email was sent about policy but doesn't include the minutes policy
12:11:11 <kaz> i/no quick/scribenick: mjk/
12:11:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/policies/minutes.md minutes policy
12:11:38 <mjk> mm: does anyone object to deciding the minutes policy?
12:11:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:12:21 <mjk> mm: the only thing missing is an execution clause
12:12:25 <mjk> mm: can Kaz commit to publishing the minutes by Friday?
12:12:27 <mjk> kaz: yes
12:12:48 <McCool> proposal: Adopt the policy proposal for publishing the minutes: https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/minutes.md
12:13:01 <mjk> mm: resolution to change the minutes policy
12:13:05 <sebastian> +1
12:13:17 <McCool> resolution: Adopt the policy proposal for publishing the minutes: https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/minutes.md
12:13:24 <mjk> ... anyone have any changes to the resolution or objections?
12:13:39 <mjk> mm: resolution passes
12:13:53 <mjk> ... implement starting next week
12:14:12 <mjk> topic: other proposed policies
12:14:15 <kaz> q+
12:14:45 <mjk> mm: we will call for resolution on September 4th
12:15:01 <kaz> i|will|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Aug/0000.html McCool's message|
12:15:02 <kaz> q?
12:15:31 <kaz> ack k
12:15:41 <sebastian> q+
12:15:54 <mjk> kaz: not sure if everyone understands all the policy changes, we should explain the ploicies
12:16:14 <mjk> mm: people will need to read the text carefully
12:16:31 <mjk> s/ploicies/policies
12:17:27 <mjk> kaz: concerned that conducting this review asynchronously will violate the existing policy
12:18:23 <mjk> seb: we have been spending a lot of time on policy and don't want to take more time in TPAC
12:18:38 <sebastian> ack q
12:18:42 <sebastian> ack s
12:19:12 <mjk> mm: people can always object if they aren't clear
12:20:06 <mjk> kaz: the final decision to implement asynchronous decisions should not be made asynchronously
12:20:44 <mjk> mm: will look at some remaining PRs regarding the async process
12:21:42 <mjk> ... we have had a lot of discussion and announced the resolution on email but will have the resolution in person.
12:22:09 <mjk> ... we have been following the procedure
12:23:22 <mjk> kaz: we need to be careful to follow the decision policy
12:24:10 <kaz> s/decision policy/decision policy specifically/
12:24:37 <mjk> subtopic: PR #1005
12:24:49 <cris_> +1 for closing
12:24:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:02 <kaz> ack k
12:25:02 <kaz> q+
12:25:12 <mjk> mm: this PR is obsolete and has been updated by Ege
12:25:28 <mjk> seb: the new one is more aligned with our thinking
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12:25:56 <mjk> ... make a note referring to the other PR
12:26:02 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:26:08 <kaz> i|for closing|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1005 wot PR 1005 - Asynchronous Review Process for Specification Changes|
12:26:09 <kaz> q?
12:26:15 <mjk> mm: any objections to closing?
12:26:36 <mjk> kaz: we should check with Ben to see if he is OK with the new PR
12:26:47 <mjk> seb: Ben has already reviewed this PR
12:27:36 <mjk> kaz: we should then record Ben's approval
12:28:13 <mjk> mm: will ask Ben to approve and ping by email
12:28:57 <mjk> subtopoic: issue #1028
12:29:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1028 wot issue 1028 - Asynchronous Review Process
12:29:19 <mjk> mm: the new PR should resolve this issue
12:29:37 <mjk> ... will ping Ben on this also
12:30:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:20 <mjk> mm: closed, people can reopen if needed
12:31:40 <kaz> q+
12:31:42 <mjk> subtopic: issue #1117, roles and responsibilities
12:32:07 <mjk> mm: please add comments and we will review
12:32:18 <kaz> q?
12:32:32 <mjk> ... Please add any issues we still need to discuss
12:32:42 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-chairs/blob/main/roles.md chairs roles
12:32:59 <mjk> kaz: we had a lot of discussion about chair roles that should be factored into this discussion
12:33:19 <mjk> ... a lot of the roles are defined in this resource
12:33:45 <kaz> ack k
12:34:31 <mjk> topic: Asynchronous decision process
12:34:46 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/async-decision.md async-decision.md
12:35:01 <mjk> mm: made small reorganizations to the document
12:35:15 <mjk> s/document/policy draft
12:36:22 <mjk> ... we could clarify that this policy applies to task forces
12:36:54 <cris_> q+
12:37:11 <mjk> ... two editors can decide to merge PRs
12:37:28 <kaz> q+
12:37:37 <kaz> ack cr
12:38:15 <mjk> cris: a minor issue is we don't link this in other documents
12:39:07 <mjk> ... could link to Ben Francis profile
12:39:54 <mjk> mm: will reopen and add comments to the closed issue #1028
12:40:15 <cris_> ack c
12:40:59 <mjk> kaz: also wondering about the relationship between decision.md and asynchronousdecision.md
12:41:28 <mjk> mm: the copied text could become inconsistent and could link to the charter instead
12:41:50 <mjk> mm: lpease create an issue and we will follow up
12:41:57 <mjk> s/lpease/please
12:42:06 <mjk> topic: schedule changes
12:42:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:42:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:42:37 <mjk> mm: Keio university has holidays and there are a lot of vacations through the end of August
12:42:57 <mjk> ... we should cancel next week and the 22/23 week
12:43:08 <mjk> ... can handle business in the chairs call
12:44:01 <kaz> s/business/time-critical business like Press Release/
12:44:25 <mjk> ...proposing cancel all meetings from 14th through 28th for next 3 weeks
12:44:36 <mjk> ... we could still have the TD call
12:44:45 <kaz> q+
12:44:52 <mjk> ... does anyone object?
12:45:12 <mjk> kaz: we should be careful about what is discussed during this period
12:45:35 <mjk> mm: we would announce by email and resolve on September 4th
12:45:40 <kaz> ack k
12:46:00 <mjk> ... also have the testimonials and the press release
12:46:07 <kaz> q+
12:46:35 <mjk> mm: we still have a minor change on the PR and need to collect testimonials
12:46:45 <kaz> ack k
12:46:52 <mjk> kaz: we could continue chairs calls
12:47:02 <kaz> s/could/should/
12:47:26 <mjk> mm: topic: charter review status
12:47:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wotwg2023/results AC review form (Member-only)
12:47:40 <mjk> ... the email has gone out and AC review started
12:47:52 <kaz> s/mm: topic:/topic:/
12:47:54 <mjk> ... deadline is August 31
12:48:04 <kaz> s/... the email/mm: the email/
12:48:32 <kaz> ack k
12:48:49 <mjk> kaz:  AC review started August 3rd, please ask your AC rep to respond
12:49:18 <mjk> topic: publication
12:49:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/PR-wot-architecture11/results WoT Architecture review results (Member-only)
12:49:40 <kaz> q+
12:49:42 <mjk> mm: the good news is all of our documents have passed
12:49:59 <mjk> kaz: need to talk with some commenters still
12:50:19 <sebastian> q+
12:50:28 <mjk> mm: there is one non-supporter pointing out an error that needs to be fixed
12:50:34 <kaz> i|the good|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/PR-wot-thing-description11/results WoT Thing Description review results|
12:50:45 <mjk> ... there are some other errors that need to be fixed
12:50:53 <kaz> i|the good|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/PR-wot-thing-discovery/results WoT Discovery review results|
12:51:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:51:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:51:09 <kaz> q?
12:51:09 <mjk> ... there is also a suggested change for the Architecture spec
12:51:09 <kaz> ack k
12:51:09 <kaz> q+
12:51:33 <sebastian> ack s
12:51:33 <mjk> seb: sent email to resolve the non-supporting comment
12:52:13 <mjk> kaz: verified that we can remove the "atrisk" section
12:52:51 <mjk> mm: the other comment is about interoperability testing
12:53:24 <mjk> mm: maybe we need clarification in the implementation report
12:53:53 <mjk> kaz: will follow up with the commenters
12:54:02 <kaz> ack k
12:54:18 <mjk> mm: nothing is blocked, we can do the fixes and publish
12:54:36 <mjk> ... we can make sure we get all the fixes in before we publish
12:54:46 <kaz> action: kaz to wrap up the Proposed REC review results
12:54:59 <mjk> ... we should make the final call on September 4th to make sure everything is clean
12:55:40 <mjk> kaz: we need to consider the publication date for the press release
12:56:02 <kaz> q?
12:56:18 <kaz> q+
12:58:43 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 Aug-2 TD call - resolution 01
13:00:42 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
13:01:35 <mjk> topic: outstanding PRs on TD
13:01:53 <sebastian> +1
13:01:57 <mjk> mm: chairs and editors can clean up the labels on these PRs
13:02:05 <mjk> topic: press release
13:02:47 <mjk> mm: review comment on the draft asking for a small clarification
13:02:51 <sebastian> q+
13:02:54 <kaz> s|topic: outstanding PRs on TD||
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13:02:56 <kaz> ack k
13:03:06 <mjk> mm: will now start to gather testimonials
13:03:09 <kaz> i|TD call|topic: outstanding PRs on TD|
13:03:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:28 <mjk> seb:
13:03:37 <mjk> s/seb://
13:03:48 <kaz> q+
13:03:53 <kaz> ack s
13:04:12 <mjk> seb: how much time do we have?
13:04:33 <mjk> mm: some will be easy to obtain
13:04:34 <luca_barbato> q+
13:05:20 <mjk> mm: we can include as many testimonials as we want
13:05:38 <mjk> kaz: asking SDOs to provide testimonials also
13:05:44 <kaz> ack k
13:06:00 <mjk> mm: suggest we ask for the testimonials by September 4th and allow more time if needed
13:06:12 <kaz> q+
13:06:15 <kaz> ack l
13:06:51 <mjk> luca: can provide a testimonial if it's appropriate
13:07:13 <mjk> mm: OK with more testimonials
13:07:28 <sebastian> q+
13:07:29 <mjk> kaz: testimonials can be added after the publication
13:07:40 <kaz> ack k
13:07:44 <mjk> mm: we should have at least 4 to start
13:07:52 <kaz> ack s
13:08:07 <kaz> s/testimonials/please remember that testimonials/
13:08:22 <kaz> s/after the publication/after the publication, if needed/
13:08:31 <mjk> seb: prefer to have all the testimonials at one time
13:09:34 <kaz> q?
13:09:37 <mjk> topic: TPAC planning
13:09:55 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda WoT TPAC wiki
13:10:06 <mjk> mm: filled out the agenda but still have some questions
13:10:15 <kaz> q+
13:10:17 <mjk> ... do we need 1:15 for profiles?
13:10:27 <mjk> ... no slot for architecture
13:10:40 <mjk> ... could combine these
13:11:12 <mjk> ... also added outreach to gain more participating membership
13:11:40 <mjk> s/outreach/outreach topic/
13:11:54 <mjk> ... also added security and discovery
13:12:26 <mjk> ... TF meetings on September 4th should focus on TPAC planning
13:13:15 <mjk> kaz: at this time we should focus on TPAC, management policies, and use case management rather than technical features
13:13:34 <kaz> ack k
13:13:44 <mjk> ... also pain points and potential refactoring
13:14:23 <kaz> q+
13:14:28 <mjk> mm: topic: liaison PR #1105
13:14:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1105 wot PR 1105 - Overview of the potential development options about the OPC UA Bindings
13:15:05 <mjk> seb: the PR gives an overview of options for the OPC-UA binding publication
13:15:39 <kaz> q?
13:15:42 <mjk> mm: to be clear, this is only about options for people to review
13:16:27 <kaz> ack k
13:16:29 <mjk> kaz: would suggest we merge this and start the discussion, please add a clear title
13:16:42 <kaz> a/please/but please/
13:17:23 <kaz> q?
13:17:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:18:07 <mjk> mm: added title, any objections to merging?
13:18:07 <mjk> ... merged
13:18:10 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:18:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:18:19 <mjk> mm: AOB?
13:18:19 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
13:18:31 <kaz> (none)
13:18:33 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:18:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:19:14 <mjk> mm: adjourned
13:19:14 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
13:19:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:19:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:31:29 <cris_> q+
13:35:48 <cris_> ack c
13:36:38 <cris_> +1
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